side by side aerocloner vs bubble cloner......

[bdt1981]

about 40 grapegodon the aero and 40 white alien on the bubble cloner. and the bubble cloner was actually started couple days after the aero... these pix are around 10 to 14 days... the bubblecloner killed the aero. i dont know what i could have done different with the aero but i had the pump on 247 for about a week to start 5 airstones from petco with a small 29 watt pump like 700 something liter. did not use rooting hormone on any of them

 

[reza92]

about 40 grapegodon the aero and 40 white alien on the bubble cloner. and the bubble cloner was actually started couple days after the aero... these pix are around 10 to 14 days... the bubblecloner killed the aero. i dont know what i could have done different with the aero but i had the pump on 247 for about a week to start 5 airstones from petco with a small 29 watt pump like 700 something liter. did not use rooting hormone on any of them

Aero closers will need a time. They need off time. But I agree my bubble closers kick the shit out of my aero cloners

 

[bdt1981]

Aero closers will need a time. They need off time. But I agree my bubble closers kick the shit out of my aero cloners

Ya 1 on 4 off os what i use but my timer was on my aeroflo.. i have since removed the timer and left the pumps on on my aero flo and have the timer on aero cloner... bubble is where its at. Less moving parts no timer needed.

 

[klx]

You would need to use the same strain for a valid side by side. 14 days and only a few with roots seems super slow on the aero to me. Have not tried a bubble cloner though.

 

[WeedFreak78]

Different stains, different start times..not an accurate test, should have done 20 of each strain in each unit.

I run 2 different strains side by side in aero and one strain consistently is 5-7 days slower to show roots.

But I agree bubble cloners are stupid simple, I used to clone 4-6 at a time in a cup of water with an air hose, no air stone, bubbling the water. Always had 100% success.

 

[Mean Gene]

when you get the root development you want out of the bubble cloner can you then place the plants in soil? or do you need to stay in a dwc system? Also while cloning in bubbler do you use any nutes or just plain water with good ph?

 

[MeJuana]

when you get the root development you want out of the bubble cloner can you then place the plants in soil? or do you need to stay in a dwc system? Also while cloning in bubbler do you use any nutes or just plain water with good ph?

Those roots can be planted i soil, coco, added to flood table medium, placed into HPA. The roots are tender so we go light on the nutrients. We don't plant it amd put it under intense light these plants need about 4 - 7 days of root growth then they burst out new growth and are fairly sturdy plants at that point..

MJ is amazing.

 

[MeJuana]

about 40 grapegodon the aero and 40 white alien on the bubble cloner. and the bubble cloner was actually started couple days after the aero... these pix are around 10 to 14 days... the bubblecloner killed the aero. i dont know what i could have done different with the aero but i had the pump on 247 for about a week to start 5 airstones from petco with a small 29 watt pump like 700 something liter. did not use rooting hormone on any of them

Hey thanks for this I want to try bubbles now.. I have my old rubbermaid cloner that leaked from the top but with bubbles I think it will be fine with a loose top.. A little worried to fill it that full. Also I need to take huge cuttings to reach the water..

Time to gather stuffz, wish me luck

 

[bdt1981]

when you get the root development you want out of the bubble cloner can you then place the plants in soil? or do you need to stay in a dwc system? Also while cloning in bubbler do you use any nutes or just plain water with good
I dont even ph tap water probably should once they get roots, i never have. Maybe that could be a factor but i dont see how i did some in an aero cloner but mostly rockwool for my 36 site aeroflo once i had roots i put in net pot and covered with hydrotonlet them veg and when i put them in the system most had roots coming out the net pots a few didnt and they never really took off. This is my first time trying bubble cloner

 

[bdt1981]

Hey thanks for this I want to try bubbles now.. I have my old rubbermaid cloner that leaked from the top but with bubbles I think it will be fine with a loose top.. A little worried to fill it that full. Also I need to take huge cuttings to reach the water..

Time to gather stuffz, wish me luck

Big ones are easier 5 to 7 inches and with that much water it is more stable better imo. Change it once a week. Straight tap, but im going to try phing the water to see if that has any effect on them.
I got a bid kitty litter container the lid is perfectit really makes it easy to open and 100% leak free. But ya bubbles help with that to.

 

[bdt1981]

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Big ones are easier 5 to 7 inches and with that much water it is more stable better imo. Change it once a week. Straight tap, but im going to try phing the water to see if that has any effect on them.
I got a bid kitty litter container the lid is perfectit really makes it easy to open and 100% leak free. But ya bubbles help with that to.

Actually it would be pointless to put ph down in water then use air stones.. it causes some reaction bringing the ph to what it was before u added anything. So u would be killing bottles of ph down to keep it at the proper range.

 

[WeedFreak78]

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Actually it would be pointless to put ph down in water then use air stones.. it causes some reaction bringing the ph to what it was before u added anything. So u would be killing bottles of ph down to keep it at the proper range.

The CO2 in the air reacts with the water and creates, I believe it's, carbolic acid, lowering the ph of water, not raising it. It's also fast acting, meaning it doesn't last long. My ph goes up .1 if I shut off of my air and wait a couple minutes for it to dissipate.

 

[bdt1981]

Well from my expirence and some others it brings the ph back to what it was before I added ph down. My ph was going up a lot in one day I removed the air stones the rise in ph stopped completely.

 

[bdt1981]

Cuz I thought it was the o2 reacts with the ph down somehow. I'm not real big on all the fancy talk tho.

The CO2 in the air reacts with the water and creates, I believe it's, carbolic acid, lowering the ph of water, not raising it. It's also fast acting, meaning it doesn't last long. My ph goes up .1 if I shut off of my air and wait a couple minutes for it to dissipate.

http://rollitup.org/t/ph-levels-keep-rising-how-do-i-stop-this.304935/page-5

The dissolved o2 reacts with phos acid

 

[Reggae1017]

Bubbles cloners are BOSS. Used to use a dome and tray with a heating pad..... terrible. Bubble cloner is 100 percent, just a matter of time. I built a big one in a 30 gal tote with about 27 sites, it was kick ass because the water volume made the water stay good a long time, I did like 2 months with no water change at 100%. Currently using a small 2 gallon pots about 20 sites, works great also but lass stable. I would still use the big one if I I had more room, but the little guy is pulling his weight and using less space.

 

[bdt1981]

Bubbles cloners are BOSS. Used to use a dome and tray with a heating pad..... terrible. Bubble cloner is 100 percent, just a matter of time. I built a big one in a 30 gal tote with about 27 sites, it was kick ass because the water volume made the water stay good a long time, I did like 2 months with no water change at 100%. Currently using a small 2 gallon pots about 20 sites, works great also but lass stable. I would still use the big one if I I had more room, but the little guy is pulling his weight and using less space.

did you ever ph the water? i get 100% without adding anything. hell i use straight out the tap... aerocloners bow down... now what am i going to do with my 2 manifolds that i made to gp in aero cloners.. the roots seem stronger in bubbles as well.

 

[Mean Gene]

I currently have 10 clones 5 sour diesel 2 blue dream and 3 super lemon haze in a bubble cloner. Took them Saturday so far they look great havent had any problems. Ill try and snap a pic once the roots start showing. I am using tap water at room temp. Ph is naturally 7. 114ppm out of the tap so i dont adjust it at all.

 

[bdt1981]

pretty good my tap is like 350. i never understood why people would waste time and money phing cloner water. there are no roots so no nutrient up take. i also trim my clones down to just 2 leaves. until i see root, no sense wasting energy keeping leaves alive that will come off later anyway when lolliepopped. seems to me it dont happen a day faster using root hormone either

 

[Mean Gene]

pretty good my tap is like 350. i never understood why people would waste time and money phing cloner water. there are no roots so no nutrient up take. i also trim my clones down to just 2 leaves. until i see root, no sense wasting energy keeping leaves alive that will come off later anyway when lolliepopped. seems to me it dont happen a day faster using root hormone either

My first time using bubble cloner. Guy i know does his in plain cups of water. Takes a while but it works. I am planning on running my own side by side experiments eventually. I want to see if this stuff really is worth the money or if theyre just selling me stuff i dont need.

 

[WeedFreak78]

pretty good my tap is like 350. i never understood why people would waste time and money phing cloner water. there are no roots so no nutrient up take. i also trim my clones down to just 2 leaves. until i see root, no sense wasting energy keeping leaves alive that will come off later anyway when lolliepopped. seems to me it dont happen a day faster using root hormone either

I'm petty sure clones uptake nutes if they are in the water. Kinda like how they color carnations when they don't have roots, or foliar feeding, it's still taking up fluid and anything in it. I'm not sure if PHing matters in this case or not though, it does in foliar feeding, so I'm assuming it does here also.