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NLXSK1

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That's not your solution... but you believe taxes are theft...

So you're OK with the government stealing from you to pay for social programs?

Or, just like I said, is your solution to eliminate the whole program entirely?
Which government program? There are currently dozens of them.

My solution is to eliminate 90% of the federal government. Apparently you dont believe state employees are capable of taking care of their citizens until they are promoted to federal employees.
 

testiclees

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Lets back up a minute here. I think the problem is that your dont understand chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Scenario 1. The business closes it's doors. All employees are fired and lose their jobs. All bills go unpaid, the contractors get nothing because there is nothing left, that is why it is called bankruptcy.

Scenario 2. The business files for reorganization. The creditors negotiate a lower settlement. Note, they still get PAID, it is just less than what they would have. The employees keep their jobs.

What part of Scenario 1 is better than senario 2.

Again, on your knees ready to suck.
It's always about cock with you. Youre a creepy jackass. Why do all of the trump boobs, climate deniers, homophobes and racists cling together like a clot of waste?
 
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testiclees

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Lets back up a minute here. I think the problem is that your dont understand chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Scenario 1. The business closes it's doors. All employees are fired and lose their jobs. All bills go unpaid, the contractors get nothing because there is nothing left, that is why it is called bankruptcy.

Scenario 2. The business files for reorganization. The creditors negotiate a lower settlement. Note, they still get PAID, it is just less than what they would have. The employees keep their jobs.

What part of Scenario 1 is better than senario 2.

Again, on your knees ready to suck.
Bro the content of your posts, your bigotry and lack of coherence tells us that you are dumber than fuck. When you say others "don't understand" it's like a mongrel dog barking to beg for scraps of attention.
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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Lets back up a minute here. I think the problem is that your dont understand chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Scenario 1. The business closes it's doors. All employees are fired and lose their jobs. All bills go unpaid, the contractors get nothing because there is nothing left, that is why it is called bankruptcy.

Scenario 2. The business files for reorganization. The creditors negotiate a lower settlement. Note, they still get PAID, it is just less than what they would have. The employees keep their jobs.

What part of Scenario 1 is better than senario 2.

Again, on your knees ready to suck.
No matter which way you go contractors will get fucked at the end of the day, he filed chapter 11 which means he's not such a great businessman yet you support him!

B4L

Chapter 13:

In a Chapter 13 proceeding, the debtor must pay all or part of his debts from the future income over a period of three to five years through his chapter 13 plan. For some people, the time period must be five years. If the court approves the plan of payment, the debts will be paid in full or partially by the chapter 13 trustee. Most of the debt that is not paid as set forth by the plan of reorganization will be discharged or wiped out. In other words, if your plan only provides for payment of 10% of the unsecured debt, then the remaining 90% plus any accrued interest will be discharged or wiped out upon completion of your plan. If your plan provides for payment of no money to unsecured creditors, then the entire unsecured debt is discharged upon completion of the plan.

However, most long term debt and home mortgages must be paid in their normal monthly payments either through or outside the plan, except for the payments that were due upon the filing of the case. Example: If a person is behind by 3 payments at filing and the house note was $500.00 per month, then the $1,500.00 plus any late charges or other fees can be spread out through the plan. Upon completion of the plan, the long term debt will be current and the ongoing payments will continue.

The plan can be approved, if it proposes to pay the debtor’s disposable income over the life of the plan, even if the creditors do not agree with the plan. In most cases, the plan payment will be less than the combined payments of the debts prior to filing, and the debtor can retain all of his assets provided he makes the payments as required and maintains insurance on items, such as his home and car which are security for loans being paid through or outside of the plan.

To qualify as a debtor under chapter 13 of the Bankruptcy Code, the Debtor must be an individual or a husband and wife, filing jointly. There are also certain debt limits for debtors filing under chapter 13, which are explained under the description of chapter 11 cases below.

Chapter 11:

Chapter 11 is the chapter used by large businesses to reorganize their debts and continue operating. Corporations, partnerships, and limited liability companies cannot use chapter 13 to reorganize and must cease business operations if a chapter 7 bankruptcy is filed. Chapter 11 cases are by far the most complicated of bankruptcy cases, and as a result, there are very few law firms that handle chapter 11 cases, but many times individuals and companies cannot obtain the relief they need under chapter 7 or chapter 13, thus a chapter 11 is their best option.

Corporations, limited liability companies (LLCs) and partnerships are not allowed to file for relief under chapter 13, thus Chapter 11 would be the only option for these entities if the one of these types of companies needs to reorganize and continue its operations. If any of these types of entities files for relief under chapter 7, the company must end its operations upon the filing of the case.

Finally, if an individual or a husband a wife that are filing jointly have debt that exceeds certain limits, then chapter 13 reorganization is not an option. These limits change every three years in April base upon the change in the cost of living since the last change. Until April 1, 2016, an individual or husband and wife filing jointly must owe unsecured debt which is less than $383,175 and secured debt which is $1,149,525. If an individual or husband and wife filing jointly, debts exceed either of these limits, then the only option to reorganize is under chapter 11.
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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Lets back up a minute here. I think the problem is that your dont understand chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Scenario 1. The business closes it's doors. All employees are fired and lose their jobs. All bills go unpaid, the contractors get nothing because there is nothing left, that is why it is called bankruptcy.

Scenario 2. The business files for reorganization. The creditors negotiate a lower settlement. Note, they still get PAID, it is just less than what they would have. The employees keep their jobs.

What part of Scenario 1 is better than senario 2.

Again, on your knees ready to suck.
So if a contractor got $80,000 in material from his vendors on credit and spent another $20,000 on labor for his customer say...oh Donald Trump who is expected to pay $240,000 for the job, now Trump files for chapter 11 and now because of restructuring he only gets to pay that contractor pennies on the dollar say 5-10% the most that contractor is going to see is $5,000-$10,000 and you think that's ok? Man you're an idiot.

B4L

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250
 

NLXSK1

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So if a contractor got $80,000 in material from his vendors on credit and spent another $20,000 on labor for his customer say...oh Donald Trump who is expected to pay $240,000 for the job, now Trump files for chapter 11 and now because of restructuring he only gets to pay that contractor pennies on the dollar say 5-10% the most that contractor is going to see is $5,000-$10,000 and you think that's ok? Man you're an idiot.

B4L

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy-times/story?id=13419250
So in your opinion, shutting the doors and paying the contractors nothing is the better course to follow...

And you call me an idiot?
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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So in your opinion, shutting the doors and paying the contractors nothing is the better course to follow...

And you call me an idiot?
Yes you really are an idiot he can't shutter the doors he can only do that under chapter 13 which is NOT available to him he ran his business as an LLC and Partnership.

He can only file chapter 11 that's the law! The problem then becomes that he pays his creditors pennies on the dollar fucking EVERYBODY! And he's your hero? Please.

B4L
 

Padawanbater2

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Yes you really are an idiot he can't shutter the doors he can only do that under chapter 13 which is NOT available to him he ran his business as an LLC and Partnership.

He can only file chapter 11 that's the law! The problem then becomes that he pays his creditors pennies on the dollar fucking EVERYBODY! And he's your hero? Please.

B4L
Trump supporters love that he's rich, white and powerful in the business world, and nobody (that matters to them) cares how brazenly racist and xenophobic he is

Exactly who they want to be

They don't like him based on his policies
 

NLXSK1

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Yes you really are an idiot he can't shutter the doors he can only do that under chapter 13 which is NOT available to him he ran his business as an LLC and Partnership.

He can only file chapter 11 that's the law! The problem then becomes that he pays his creditors pennies on the dollar fucking EVERYBODY! And he's your hero? Please.

B4L

He could just shut the doors and walk away. The creditors could sue the corporation but since it wouldnt have any money anyway they would get nothing.

I never said he could file another type of bankruptcy. It is really hard to have a conversation with you guys when you keep accusing me of things I simply did not say.
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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He could just shut the doors and walk away. The creditors could sue the corporation but since it wouldnt have any money anyway they would get nothing.

I never said he could file another type of bankruptcy. It is really hard to have a conversation with you guys when you keep accusing me of things I simply did not say.
Wait a second you were the one to suggest he could shut the doors or stay in operation keeping on his employees, I merely pointed out he did not have the option of just shutting the doors (chapter 13) because of his LLC and Partnership his only option was chapter 11.

I guess you're the one who doesn't understand how bankruptcy works and yet you're trying to school me.

You were more interested in rebuking what I had said and didn't bother to read the definitions of both chapter 11 & 13, and your response only supported my claim that you were an idiot.

B4L
 

Finshaggy

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There are 300,000,000 people in America, can someone find 1 election poll that has 1,000,000 people involved?
 
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