skunkwreck
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(SSH x Silver Mountain ) x Peyote PurpleGoji x peyote purple
Chucky's Bag seeds
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kona gold
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I'm not really sure about this?
Where did you get the 1 in a 1000 from?
I'm thinking it maybe more of a scenario of polluted pollination.
If making other seeds on the same run, possibly be pollinating multiple strains at a time. Maybe some the male pollen strays to a flower they are trying to pollinate with a female pollen source?
Hard to think you are gonna pure male from a correctly bred female line. Just thinking contamination is my idea.
akhiymjames
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You and many other people believe this and I don't blame you but there are too many instances where people have femmed a line and males come out it. If you didn't see the post made by someone who knows about breeding @tonygreen say if you reverse a male it spits out 25% females? If he never put that into up I would've never known but the science of breeding cannabis can be very tricky sometimes especially if you are super knowledgeable on it like me lol so lots of it is way over my head. I try to use common sense with it but you just can't cus the DNA is not the same as others species that breed. Look it up bro you be surprised how many fem lines produce males when makes the breeders call them regs hence example Peyote Purple.
kona gold
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Hey James.
I see where you're coming from and enjoy discussing this with you.
I have no idea about reversing a mala and getting 25% females. But a male carries xy chromosome, so that seems highly possible.
But I have been breeding seeds ever since the first plants I grew. So I have been crossing, incrossing,and stabilising strains since 92.
So I do have understanding. The first book I read was marijuana botany. But I was a biology major in college, so it was pretty straightforward reading for me.
Now a female is xx and should not turn male.
Stray pollen is, what I believe, is causing the problems. Pollen is sooooo fine ans if the company makes fems and regs,like g13 labs, then I see this as the reason why.
It would only take a few grains of pollen to make males show up in any batch of fems.
So if there breeding rooms are not super tight,or if they pollinate plants, then put them into one flower room to finish, things can easily get contaminated.
I have received packs of regular seeds that have a few that didn't turn out like the rest.
skunkwreck
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99.9%of femmed seeds are female which means 1 out of 1000 can be male . Google feminized cannabis seeds .
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kona gold
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I guess I can see this as a possibility.
Just because the plant is such a survivor.
But who knows the actual stats?
Did someone crack massive amounts of fem seeds from multiple sources, and find out the male percentage, or is it just some random number like we don't want to be responsible if you get a male in a pack of female seeds?
Seems like the percentage would be much Lowe, since many have claimed males in their packs
What is your theory on that?
akhiymjames
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Glad you filled me in bro on the science of it. I would like to think its just stray pollen too but it happens too often with certain lines and if it was stray male pollen wouldn't other fems from the breeders have males in it too? It's only a select few lines that do that the others are just plain herm fests lol
eastcoastmo
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This is what I was getting at, back a page. If a female is xx, unless there is somewhere in the genome sequence where a y chromosome can reappear, causing a male, it just doesnt add up. I'd be very interested to read up on how this happens if it does. Being that cannabis has hermaphroditic tendencies, it seems plausible that it could happen. In the animal kingdom there are different types of hermaphroditism such as protandrous etc but these terms aren't used in botany. I would suggest that cannabis may show sequential hermaphroditism as they are 'born' one sex but can change sexes depending on a number of factors, environment being one of them. How this makes them turn 'back' from a female to produce male offspring I'm unsure of.
skunkwreck
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Take Peyote Purple for example....it's a S1 seed but produces so many males that they started calling them reg beans. So it can be strain or pheno dependant I presume.
eastcoastled
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I think it just means it can happen, and has happened. If it can happen, it can't be 100%, so it always has to be 99.9%, b/c no one is going to write 99.9999998989998%. Kind of like there's a 99.9% chance this lottery ticket isn't going to win me millions. If I buy a thousand more I don't think the percentage goes up. I don't think you can put a number on it.
skunkwreck
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That's why there's that chance of a male from femmed seeds . See you're trying to play like don't know anything but I just caught ya .
akhiymjames
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Eastcoast said it perfect and that's what I been trying to say that yes even tho chromosomes might be xx but since it's in the genes regardless it can happen and then throw in breeding with fem pollen raises the chances. I just don't think it was male pollen or would see lots more males in the other fem beans and that's not the case.
hockeybry2
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Epigenetic expression of sex related genes in plants makes the genetics quite a bit more difficult compared to humans unless breeders are finding true females by some means ie irregular light cycles or more molecular means such as pcr ....I hope my gf doesn't sprout balls when she gets stressed lol
eastcoastmo
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Ha ha damn, ya caught me
eastcoastmo
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My order arrived today from GLG, dragboatjeffy is a legend, packed me up with 2 packs of testers with longbottomleaf in it and gave me a laugh with how he packaged it! I'm thinking of growing out some of the testers and some of the forum x gg4 next run. Might chuck in a few northern lights #5 from BCSC as well.
akhiymjames
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Good shit bro I have only one ScoutBreath going the other two didn't sprout. But gonna pop a few more here soon. Wish I could get the OGKB 2.0 mom but should be a good cross. You should find some great stuff out of those beans. The Forum x GG4 is called Sluggo and its fem. Let me know when you pop them. I'll get some pics of the ScoutBreaths later
eastcoastmo
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Yeah I'm stoked they arrived hey!
Spewin about your scout breath man, I hope the other one turns out how you want! I'm positive I'll find some fire in these beans, I was sceptical at first but done some research and they sound dank! Cheers for the info on sluggo too! I'll keep you posted when they get popped.
greencropper
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good score bro, lookin forward to seeing how those chunkys strains & bad dog pan out!
eastcoastmo
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Hell yeah man, me too hey!!
ya guys males have xy, if you reverse a male it makes calyxes. So a True male would beget 25% female progeny. So you can in fact inbreed a male plants genome and pull out a female without ever having to introduce another set of genes from another strain. An interesting tool toward homozygosity.
Also things are not always so simple, possibilities of xxy chromosomes may exist as in humans, as well as epigenetics. All this shit is why you should test your plants for sexual stability!
Also things are not always so simple, possibilities of xxy chromosomes may exist as in humans, as well as epigenetics. All this shit is why you should test your plants for sexual stability!