The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

[Skunk Baxter]

Gr865,

If you're referring to the PK 13/14, yeah - that's a Canna product. Sometimes, though, people will use the abbreviation "PK" as a catch-all term for any bloom nutrient. I do it a lot, in fact. My preferred bloombooster is Mother Of All Blooms (which I refer to as MOAB), and I may have used the term "PK" as a general term. But I think the particular bloom fertilizer we've been referring to over the last couple of pages is "PK 13/14."

I hope you do a journal on that vertical grow - I'd love to see how you set it up and what kind of results you get. It's something I'm thinking of trying someday. I'm just finishing up this pheno hunt now, and already have the first round of clones in the flowering room for the second run. One of the original plants is still in there, and is still at least a week away. Just started Week 14 today. I harvested the first plant in about Week 8, another one a week or two later, then one or two more, and finally finished them all off over the last 7 or 8 days. The one that foxtailed the worst is also the one with the most crystals; I smoked just a tiny bit of her last night, and was practically hallucinating. Parts of the top bud are just white with crystals; it's like frost on the windshield on a winter morning. I thought at first it was light bleaching, because the leaves look whitish.

A couple of plants are still hanging, but most of them have been roughly trimmed and jarred with Bovedas already. It's going to wind up somewhere between a pound and a half and two pounds; my partner keeps saying "it's going to be two pounds, it's going to be two pounds!", but I don't think we're quite going to get there.

Anyway, the point of all that is that given this was my first grow in coco, and it was a pheno hunt with five distinctly different phenos ranging from classic indica to straight-up sativa (and five very different plants heights), I'm really surprised at what a yield we were still able to pull. On the second run, with my clones more selectively chosen for a SOG, it will be a lot easier to maintain a uniform canopy and a more consistent feed schedule, so I have high hopes for the next grow. This Canna line is really the shit.

 

[Skunk Baxter]

Its a trade off really. This is actually old school greenhouse vegetable and tomato "tricks". But the underlying basic theme is the same for all common c3 plants.

Can't tell you how refreshing it is to see someone posting who's familiar with the Calvin cycle! Big props for someone who's not just sticking seeds in the ground and splashing some water on them, but is actually cultivating a finely tuned plant.

 

[gr865]

Gr865,

If you're referring to the PK 13/14, yeah - that's a Canna product. Sometimes, though, people will use the abbreviation "PK" as a catch-all term for any bloom nutrient. I do it a lot, in fact. My preferred bloombooster is Mother Of All Blooms (which I refer to as MOAB), and I may have used the term "PK" as a general term. But I think the particular bloom fertilizer we've been referring to over the last couple of pages is "PK 13/14."

I hope you do a journal on that vertical grow - I'd love to see how you set it up and what kind of results you get. It's something I'm thinking of trying someday. I'm just finishing up this phenol hunt now, and already have the first round of clones in the flowering room for the second run. One of the original plants is still in there, and is still at least a week away. Just started Week 14 today. I harvested the first plant in about Week 8, another one a week or two later, then one or two more, and finally finished them all off over the last 7 or 8 days. The one that foxtailed the worst is also the one with the most crystals; I smoked just a tiny bit of her last night, and was practically hallucinating. Parts of the top bud are just white with crystals; it's like frost on the windshield on a winter morning. I thought at first it was light bleaching, because the leaves look whitish.

A couple of plants are still hanging, but most of them have been roughly trimmed and jarred with Bovedas already. It's going to wind up somewhere between a pound and a half and two pounds; my partner keeps saying "it's going to be two pounds, it's going to be two pounds!", but I don't think we're quite going to get there.

Anyway, the point of all that is that given this was my first grow in coco, and it was a pheno hunt with five distinctly different phenos ranging from classic indica to straight-up sativa (and five very different plants heights), I'm really surprised at what a yield we were still able to pull. On the second run, with my clones more selectively chosen for a SOG, it will be a lot easier to maintain a uniform canopy and a more consistent feed schedule, so I have high hopes for the next grow. This Canna line is really the shit.

SB,
Thanks for the info, your grow sounds great.
I will journal, and it will be a total change for past grows and looking forward to it.
Stick with the SOG, my last grow was a sort of sog. I freaked out about the height difference and started topping and super cropping.. Totally fucked my SOG, then about the 4 to 5th weeks of flower I was hit with a bad case of fungal gnats, caught it before they killed the plants but it stilled set me way back and they just restart healthy growth right before I had to harvest. I figure it cost me about 50 plus percent weight loss. Got 7 plus zips, so the total for this past yrs grow was 11.5 zips. Should have been around a pound and a half.
I should not have fucked with them during the SOG, and now that I know what to look for with the fucking Fungal Gnats (FFG) if the reappear I will be ready for them bastards.

I am undecided on a watering system for the vertical grow, Blumats or drip, I like the ease of blumats but worry that they will stay too wet, and I worry about the drip, that if I am traveling and something goes out of wack I lose it all.
What was your plant count on the 2lb grow?

GR

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

A couple of plants are still hanging, but most of them have been roughly trimmed and jarred with Bovedas already.

Do you use Boveda packets every time you cure? i have yet to try them

 

[since1991]

Boveda packets???

 

[since1991]

SB,
Thanks for the info, your grow sounds great.
I will journal, and it will be a total change for past grows and looking forward to it.
Stick with the SOG, my last grow was a sort of sog. I freaked out about the height difference and started topping and super cropping.. Totally fucked my SOG, then about the 4 to 5th weeks of flower I was hit with a bad case of fungal gnats, caught it before they killed the plants but it stilled set me way back and they just restart healthy growth right before I had to harvest. I figure it cost me about 50 plus percent weight loss. Got 7 plus zips, so the total for this past yrs grow was 11.5 zips. Should have been around a pound and a half.
I should not have fucked with them during the SOG, and now that I know what to look for with the fucking Fungal Gnats (FFG) if the reappear I will be ready for them bastards.

I am undecided on a watering system for the vertical grow, Blumats or drip, I like the ease of blumats but worry that they will stay too wet, and I worry about the drip, that if I am traveling and something goes out of wack I lose it all.
What was your plant count on the 2lb grow?

GR

Fungus gnats are a bitch. If left unchecked they can get ridiculous. They are attracted to coco coir like a magnet in my experience. Much more so than a peat based soilless mix. Bayer Fruit and Citrus (imidacloprid) will wipe out the big infestations. Skeeter dunks for the small breakouts. Yellow sticky cards are not a remedy. Only a monitor to see how bad them little bastards are getting.

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

Boveda packets???

they are just packets that help keep your jars at 62% rh. I have never used them, i always thought they were for long term storage or for trying to re hydrate over dried buds.

 

[since1991]

they are just packets that help keep your jars at 62% rh. I have never used them, i always thought they were for long term storage or for trying to re hydrate over dried buds.

Ok..gotcha

 

[gr865]

Do you use Boveda packets every time you cure? i have yet to try them

I have used Boveda 62's for a number of years, keep all my stash in them, from long time storage to short time daily smoke.
Last summer,I was cleaning my jar area and found a pt jar in the back behind some Black Widow I was holding in cure, and it contained a nice bud from a Querkle grow in 2012, pulled it out and it had a wonderful fragrance and was still very pliable to the touch. It had been in the jar untouched for a few yrs. It was just wonderful to smoke, they were not all dry and crumbly and burned very nicely in my pipe.
I will continue using them for all my stashes.

GR

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

I have used Boveda 62's for a number of years, keep all my stash in them, from long time storage to short time daily smoke.
Last summer,I was cleaning my jar area and found a pt jar in the back behind some Black Widow I was holding in cure, and it contained a nice bud from a Querkle grow in 2012, pulled it out and it had a wonderful fragrance and was still very pliable to the touch. It had been in the jar untouched for a few yrs. It was just wonderful to smoke, they were not all dry and crumbly and burned very nicely in my pipe.
I will continue using them for all my stashes.

GR

nice man, thanks for that tidbit. I see them all the time at the hydro shop, and have been tempted since they sell singles there for pretty cheap. Never thought about using em for my personal. Think I will pick up a few for the hell of it, even though my bud does a pretty good job at holding right in there, so long as i am not ripping the lid open every other hour.

 

[since1991]

I might have to try these out meself. Never heard of em. What are they? Little moisture packets that keep good cured bud longer? Cuz i got old timey stuff that always gets dry even in the jars untouched for months

 

[gr865]

Boveda.com, check them out.
I have been rehydrating the packs when they dry out, oh you will know when they dry, they get all crystally feeling. Not sure rehydrating is going to work, I have one of them in a cure jar now, been in there about two months under vacuum along with my other long term cure jars. Will open the jars next month to check them. I open my long term cures every three months to check them, always check for mold, I have never had any but even after all these years I'm still a bit leary, I shake them and let them breath for a few minutes then reseal them. Oh and I always sample. I have four Qt jars with different stash in them from the past three yrs. They are all still in good shape but the 2013/14 jars are getting a little dryer now. May be time to turn that jar into butter.

Here are the pics of the Querkle I found last summer. Very good memories of that lady.


GR

 

[Skunk Baxter]

SB,
I am undecided on a watering system for the vertical grow, Blumats or drip, I like the ease of blumats but worry that they will stay too wet, and I worry about the drip, that if I am traveling and something goes out of wack I lose it all.
What was your plant count on the 2lb grow?

GR

Yeah, I'm having a running battle with those damned gnats too. Had em all wiped out for a couple of months, but now they're back because I was flushing out some plants and the coco was saturated.

They're a little harder to deal with this time because I'm transitioning between 2 runs, and I have 1 plant still finishing from the last run, 16 clones I just put into the flower room, 2 more plants from the last run that I'm revegging, and 40-some clones just starting. So I have dozens of containers of coco, some of them coco coir and some of them coco chips, with several different feed/water schedules. I'm not able to treat every single pot on the same days, so it's like playing whack-a-mole chasing gnats from one set of plants to another as I water the bigger clones one day, the smaller clones every 3 days, the revegging plants every 4 days, etc. But that just means it'll take a little longer; I'll wear them down in the end.

As for my plant count... man... it was whacko. I had 23 plants, but since it was a pheno hunt from seed, and I had 5 different phenos, the size varied from less than a half ounce to around 1/4 pound on some of the larger plants. The 3 or 4 larger plants all got callbacks for Round Two, and by the end of the second run I'll probably have picked the mother that I'll go forward with. Second run should be a lot more uniform, though, since I selected only the largest plants for that run. Canopy management should be a lot easier, although the phenos do range from classic indica to straight sativa.

 

[Skunk Baxter]

I might have to try these out meself. Never heard of em. What are they? Little moisture packets that keep good cured bud longer? Cuz i got old timey stuff that always gets dry even in the jars untouched for months

Yeah, I like em. They have several different RH levels, ranging from somewhere in the mid-50s to somewhere in the high 70s I think, and most growers go with either 62% or 65%. They also have several different sizes, and I use the 60-gram 62%. It's about 3 inches by 4 1/2 inches, just the right size to fit into a quart jar. They're most useful for longterm storage, but this time I'm using them for the cure, too. Seems to be working out great; I just went in and did the sniff test, and I have some fantastic smelling jars in there. Nice, rich, robust, organic flavor all around; you can practically take a bite out of the aroma and chew it up.

If you're thinking of giving them a go, they can get pricey. I get mine on Amazon, and sometimes get a really good price. I use about 8 or 10 for a 2-pound harvest, and honestly could probably go with a few larger ones for big volumes rather than try to stick a half dozen 60-gram packs into one large tub with a pound of weed in it.

 

[Skunk Baxter]

Do you use Boveda packets every time you cure? i have yet to try them

Hi, Greenthumbs!

This is the first time I've ever used them for a cure, but because this is such a complicated harvest I thought it might make things easier. Since this is a pheno hunt, I'm not just harvesting everything into one big pile - I'm separating out the buds from about 5 different plants, and will weigh each plant's output individually when the cure is finished. That means I need to keep the buds from the possible mothers in their own jars for a few weeks, separate from each other, until they can be properly smoked and evaluated.

So I've got a lot of different jars with different quantities of weed, many of them harvested a week or two apart, and it's a challenge to maintain them all at optimum moisture levels. I have a record of when each plant was harvested, so I know that Jar #3 is three days farther along in the cure than Jar #1, and Plant #7 was cut a week before Plant #2 and a week and a half before #3 (and so on) but none of the primary mother candidates were harvested on the same day. Since the Boveda packs are supposed to absorb extra humidity as well as release it as needed, I thought they might help me keep every jar at a uniform level.

So far, it really seems to be working. They all smell incredible; I usually suck at curing, but these are really making it go more smoothly. I think I'll be doing this on a regular basis from now on. Only thing I'll change is get some larger sized packs for tubfuls, because the little 60-grammers aren't well-suited for a pound or a pound and a half in one container.

 

[since1991]

Jeff skunk Baxter

 

[since1991]

Yeah, I'm having a running battle with those damned gnats too. Had em all wiped out for a couple of months, but now they're back because I was flushing out some plants and the coco was saturated.

They're a little harder to deal with this time because I'm transitioning between 2 runs, and I have 1 plant still finishing from the last run, 16 clones I just put into the flower room, 2 more plants from the last run that I'm revegging, and 40-some clones just starting. So I have dozens of containers of coco, some of them coco coir and some of them coco chips, with several different feed/water schedules. I'm not able to treat every single pot on the same days, so it's like playing whack-a-mole chasing gnats from one set of plants to another as I water the bigger clones one day, the smaller clones every 3 days, the revegging plants every 4 days, etc. But that just means it'll take a little longer; I'll wear them down in the end.

As for my plant count... man... it was whacko. I had 23 plants, but since it was a pheno hunt from seed, and I had 5 different phenos, the size varied from less than a half ounce to around 1/4 pound on some of the larger plants. The 3 or 4 larger plants all got callbacks for Round Two, and by the end of the second run I'll probably have picked the mother that I'll go forward with. Second run should be a lot more uniform, though, since I selected only the largest plants for that run. Canopy management should be a lot easier, although the phenos do range from classic indica to straight sativa.

Look up what greenhouse veggie growers do to c ombat fungus gnats

 

[Skunk Baxter]

Yeah, I think it's Nematode Avenger time...

 

[GreenThumbsMcgee]

Hi, Greenthumbs!

This is the first time I've ever used them for a cure, but because this is such a complicated harvest I thought it might make things easier. Since this is a pheno hunt, I'm not just harvesting everything into one big pile - I'm separating out the buds from about 5 different plants, and will weigh each plant's output individually when the cure is finished. That means I need to keep the buds from the possible mothers in their own jars for a few weeks, separate from each other, until they can be properly smoked and evaluated.

So I've got a lot of different jars with different quantities of weed, many of them harvested a week or two apart, and it's a challenge to maintain them all at optimum moisture levels. I have a record of when each plant was harvested, so I know that Jar #3 is three days farther along in the cure than Jar #1, and Plant #7 was cut a week before Plant #2 and a week and a half before #3 (and so on) but none of the primary mother candidates were harvested on the same day. Since the Boveda packs are supposed to absorb extra humidity as well as release it as needed, I thought they might help me keep every jar at a uniform level.

So far, it really seems to be working. They all smell incredible; I usually suck at curing, but these are really making it go more smoothly. I think I'll be doing this on a regular basis from now on. Only thing I'll change is get some larger sized packs for tubfuls, because the little 60-grammers aren't well-suited for a pound or a pound and a half in one container.

ok, cool, thanks for that. I think we all face issues with curing dude. Its an art, i say. I seem to have trouble with the fact that i read that most people chop their plants, and then hang them for like 7+ days! I could never let them go that far in fear of over drying them. I have yet to find that perfect time to jar them up. Its really about timing. To early or to late can screw ya. Better to early then late tho, and i know that in my head, so i think I am always overly paranoid and scared to let them even come close to 7 days drying on the hangar. I usually go about 3 days, then into tubs with a loose fit lid, half way on half way off, and let them set there anothere day or two, until they stay under 70%, then to jars.
also, when exactly do you put the packets in? right off the get go? or after you get them to a stable 70% or lower?
I do realize this thread is about Canna products, so sorry to be off topic, just saw your post earlier, and it made me think about it. I never can remember the questions i have if i dont ask right away. thanks again dude.

 

[gr865]

Yeah, I like em. They have several different RH levels, ranging from somewhere in the mid-50s to somewhere in the high 70s I think, and most growers go with either 62% or 65%. They also have several different sizes, and I use the 60-gram 62%. It's about 3 inches by 4 1/2 inches, just the right size to fit into a quart jar. They're most useful for longterm storage, but this time I'm using them for the cure, too. Seems to be working out great; I just went in and did the sniff test, and I have some fantastic smelling jars in there. Nice, rich, robust, organic flavor all around; you can practically take a bite out of the aroma and chew it up.

If you're thinking of giving them a go, they can get pricey. I get mine on Amazon, and sometimes get a really good price. I use about 8 or 10 for a 2-pound harvest, and honestly could probably go with a few larger ones for big volumes rather than try to stick a half dozen 60-gram packs into one large tub with a pound of weed in it.

Order direct and save from Boveda @ boveda.com.
Have you tried to rehydrate them, so far it seems to be working for me.
GR