premade soil recipes (no cook)

[schnooby]

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, i couldnt find one specifically about how to design no cook soils directly from places like amazon, ebay etc.


So what im looking for is something like a super soil which needs little or no amendments throughout the grow, only water or mostly only water and keeping costs down would be a major plus.

i dont want to cook any teas, or make composts or anything like that......so is an all organic or nearly all organic soil mix possible from things abailable online?

All in put is greatly appreciated

 

[MistaRasta]

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, i couldnt find one specifically about how to design no cook soils directly from places like amazon, ebay etc.


So what im looking for is something like a super soil which needs little or no amendments throughout the grow, only water or mostly only water and keeping costs down would be a major plus.

i dont want to cook any teas, or make composts or anything like that......so is an all organic or nearly all organic soil mix possible from things abailable online?

All in put is greatly appreciated

Yes, an all organic mix is definitely available from things bought online.
Depends on how much money you're willing to spend but I use the same recipe as a few of the 'no-tillers' around here and it needs absolutely 0 cook time. I planted a gsc s1 straight in it just to see and it took off like crazy..

Anyway here's the recipe, follow to a tee and you won't have to use any pointless things like teas, and cal mag..

Base mix-
1/3 compost
1/3 peat
1/3 aeration

To each 1 cu ft of base mix add:

1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem meal
1/2 cup crab/shrimp meal

1/2 cup gypsum
1/2 cup oyster shell flour

4-5 cups rock dust (basalt, glacial, granite)

Mix and plant, it's going to be stinky. But the smell will be gone in a week so long as you're using good compost.

 

[schnooby]

thats exactly the kind of thing im looking for......


compost.......what is that exactly on a site like amazon?

what about worm castings, guano, mycorhyzae and stuff like that?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, i couldnt find one specifically about how to design no cook soils directly from places like amazon, ebay etc.


So what im looking for is something like a super soil which needs little or no amendments throughout the grow, only water or mostly only water and keeping costs down would be a major plus.

i dont want to cook any teas, or make composts or anything like that......so is an all organic or nearly all organic soil mix possible from things abailable online?

All in put is greatly appreciated

where are you at?
you can typically get all the shit (literally) that you need from craigslist.
finished compost'
rabbit manure
worm castings
then you just buy aeration and a bag of promix

 

[schnooby]

im in europe so whatever i can get locally or thru amazon, ebay etc......

what is aeration? is that stuff like perlite or what?

 

[Yodaweed]

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, i couldnt find one specifically about how to design no cook soils directly from places like amazon, ebay etc.


So what im looking for is something like a super soil which needs little or no amendments throughout the grow, only water or mostly only water and keeping costs down would be a major plus.

i dont want to cook any teas, or make composts or anything like that......so is an all organic or nearly all organic soil mix possible from things abailable online?

All in put is greatly appreciated

www.buildasoil.com

they got premade living organic soil.

 

[MistaRasta]

www.buildasoil.com

they got premade living organic soil.

Ehh, I'd pass on their soil. Every report I've seen has been a bad one. Jeremy can barely keep up with running his business let alone bag up a consistent quality bag of soil...

Buildasoil is also very expensive. Like @greasemonkeymann said, you should be able to find anything you need locally for a better price. But if you have to buy online I would just use Jeremy's sources. For instance I was buying basalt (the only online item I buy) from them for 70$ then I went over to rock dust local and they have the same option with free shipping, so I save 30$. That's a lot of money.

 

[MistaRasta]

thats exactly the kind of thing im looking for......


compost.......what is that exactly on a site like amazon?

what about worm castings, guano, mycorhyzae and stuff like that?

Compost, you don't want to buy online..it's very heavy and will cost a lot in shipping. You should be able to find it locally. Look for good quality cow or horse manure. If you can find good quality vermicimpost id get that as well.

Forget about guanos, nasty useless gunk, earthworm castings are a form of compost so if you can get those use them. Mycorrhizae, is a good thing to have at transplant, I'd buy something from bio-ag or mykos. I use mykos, it's cheap and effective. With just one strain of mycorrhizae in there I known I'm not wasting my money on something like great white.

 

[schnooby]

Mistarasta....thanks for the advice man....

about the myco.....what if im not planning on transplanting.....can i mix the myco in eith the soil throughout the container volume and will it benefit the roots as they come in contact with the myco wherever its located in the mix?

i have so many questions.....for a really long time i wanted to go all hydro but as i read more and more about the subtle benefits on bud quality or growing organic i got more and more turned on by the idea.....plus as a noob soil tends to be more forgiving so i thought i might as well learn as much as i can since it makes more sense as a beginner to use it anyway....


other question....i saw on youtube where someone was saying cannabis roots prefer to spread out laterally rather than just going deep......is there any truth to that and whas anyone experimented with identical grows the only difference being one of the plants is in a shallow but long container compared to a regular pot or bucket?

also.....since we know plants communicate with each other via root systems what benefit if any would there be in planting several plants in the same container so they can talk to each other?

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Mistarasta....thanks for the advice man....

about the myco.....what if im not planning on transplanting.....can i mix the myco in eith the soil throughout the container volume and will it benefit the roots as they come in contact with the myco wherever its located in the mix?

i have so many questions.....for a really long time i wanted to go all hydro but as i read more and more about the subtle benefits on bud quality or growing organic i got more and more turned on by the idea.....plus as a noob soil tends to be more forgiving so i thought i might as well learn as much as i can since it makes more sense as a beginner to use it anyway....


other question....i saw on youtube where someone was saying cannabis roots prefer to spread out laterally rather than just going deep......is there any truth to that and whas anyone experimented with identical grows the only difference being one of the plants is in a shallow but long container compared to a regular pot or bucket?

also.....since we know plants communicate with each other via root systems what benefit if any would there be in planting several plants in the same container so they can talk to each other?

Ok, so myco has to be physically applied to to the roots in order for it to survive and profit the plant so do that only at transplant, I like to mist the rootball with water to make the myco stick to it.
cannabis roots do spread laterally, but in my experience they prefer deeper media to shallow ones, trust me on that.

and in my experience there is no benefit from multiple plants in the same container

 

[MistaRasta]

Mistarasta....thanks for the advice man....

about the myco.....what if im not planning on transplanting.....can i mix the myco in eith the soil throughout the container volume and will it benefit the roots as they come in contact with the myco wherever its located in the mix?

i have so many questions.....for a really long time i wanted to go all hydro but as i read more and more about the subtle benefits on bud quality or growing organic i got more and more turned on by the idea.....plus as a noob soil tends to be more forgiving so i thought i might as well learn as much as i can since it makes more sense as a beginner to use it anyway....


other question....i saw on youtube where someone was saying cannabis roots prefer to spread out laterally rather than just going deep......is there any truth to that and whas anyone experimented with identical grows the only difference being one of the plants is in a shallow but long container compared to a regular pot or bucket?

also.....since we know plants communicate with each other via root systems what benefit if any would there be in planting several plants in the same container so they can talk to each other?

No problem man, I'll try my best to answer any question you may have. I'm not concerned with making converts but you're already heading in the right direction..

Like grease monkey said, the mycos need to come into contact with roots or theyll be swallowed up whole by all the bacteria you're building up.

Can't really answer your question on root growth or container sizing. Those are variables only you can control.

I see you're new to organics and wanting to keep it simple, which is great! Most new people come in with a mix kind of like 'super soil', just a bunch of junk gunk that came off the floor of a slaughter factory and just unnecessary amounts of products that complicate things..

Keep it simple is the biggest lesson I've learned since starting growing cannabis, and this mix^^^. If I started growing utilizing this mix with my current grow methods, let's just say I would've had a lot less problems. But hey, the path is the journey.

 

[PoodleBud]

Yes, an all organic mix is definitely available from things bought online.
...Mix and plant, it's going to be stinky. But the smell will be gone in a week so long as you're using good compost.

Thanks for the excellent post - clear and concise. Exactly what I was looking for.

 

[DonBrennon]

im in europe so whatever i can get locally or thru amazon, ebay etc......

what is aeration? is that stuff like perlite or what?

Where in europe?..............I'm in the UK and this brought me problems following the recipe. For your compost, it is important not to buy a bag from a store, this isn't compost, rather a ready pre-mixed soil with nutrients, usually, mainly peat, a bit of compost and sometimes some aeration added, which has already been limed for ph balance. If you use that as your 1/3 compost you'll run into problems because the mix won't be right. Good compost is the most important thing in an organic grow in my opinion and the most difficult to find, if you do not make your own. I've spent hours/days/weeks looking for a good straight compost, but cannot find any, it is all pre-mixed as 'container compost' or 'multipurpose compost' etc. I even found a smaller scale composting operation supplying various organic composts, topsoils, mulches etc, they even use vermicompost in their compost mixes. But they do not sell a straight finished compost as a stand alone product.

Vermicompost is an option, but again it is down to the quality of the product you would be buying. It is becoming increasingly available online, but mainly through the bait/angling industry, so their focus is on worm production rather than producing quality castings. I've tried various online retailers at vastly varying prices, the most expensive product was by far the best, but was something like 6 times more expensive than the rest of them. Even from the same suppliers I've found that consistency of quality varies widely.

I'm sorry I've not helped much with an actual answer here, but there really is no short cut to actually acquiring a quality humus source, the only way to 'know' it's good is to make it yourself.

If you are in the UK, I may be able to point you in the right direction for some of the stuff you will need and with a little help from some of the more experienced organic growers, I'm sure we could come up with something.

 

[Bucky024]

Mistarasta....thanks for the advice man....

about the myco.....what if im not planning on transplanting.....can i mix the myco in eith the soil throughout the container volume and will it benefit the roots as they come in contact with the myco wherever its located in the mix?

i have so many questions.....for a really long time i wanted to go all hydro but as i read more and more about the subtle benefits on bud quality or growing organic i got more and more turned on by the idea.....plus as a noob soil tends to be more forgiving so i thought i might as well learn as much as i can since it makes more sense as a beginner to use it anyway....


other question....i saw on youtube where someone was saying cannabis roots prefer to spread out laterally rather than just going deep......is there any truth to that and whas anyone experimented with identical grows the only difference being one of the plants is in a shallow but long container compared to a regular pot or bucket?

also.....since we know plants communicate with each other via root systems what benefit if any would there be in planting several plants in the same container so they can talk to each other?

U can apply mykos so soil scratch in some but roots are thruout your pot their on bottom on top etc..top dress with mykos is fine plants love it... Some mykos an azos if you have it at right time will do plant well as top dress. Some say it must go direct roots not true.. Using mykos for 6 month n my ladies love it

 

[Bucky024]

Mistarasta....thanks for the advice man....

about the myco.....what if im not planning on transplanting.....can i mix the myco in eith the soil throughout the container volume and will it benefit the roots as they come in contact with the myco wherever its located in the mix?

i have so many questions.....for a really long time i wanted to go all hydro but as i read more and more about the subtle benefits on bud quality or growing organic i got more and more turned on by the idea.....plus as a noob soil tends to be more forgiving so i thought i might as well learn as much as i can since it makes more sense as a beginner to use it anyway....


other question....i saw on youtube where someone was saying cannabis roots prefer to spread out laterally rather than just going deep......is there any truth to that and whas anyone experimented with identical grows the only difference being one of the plants is in a shallow but long container compared to a regular pot or bucket?

also.....since we know plants communicate with each other via root systems what benefit if any would there be in planting several plants in the same container so they can talk to each other?

U can apply mykos so soil scratch in some but roots are thruout your pot top dress with mykos is fine

 

[Bucky024]

Yes, an all organic mix is definitely available from things bought online.
Depends on how much money you're willing to spend but I use the same recipe as a few of the 'no-tillers' around here and it needs absolutely 0 cook time. I planted a gsc s1 straight in it just to see and it took off like crazy..

Anyway here's the recipe, follow to a tee and you won't have to use any pointless things like teas, and cal mag..

Base mix-
1/3 compost
1/3 peat
1/3 aeration

To each 1 cu ft of base mix add:

1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem meal
1/2 cup crab/shrimp meal

1/2 cup gypsum
1/2 cup oyster shell flour

4-5 cups rock dust (basalt, glacial, granite)

Mix and plant, it's going to be stinky. But the smell will be gone in a week so long as you're using good compost.

Hey brother hope you don't mind but sounds like u got water only down .. Did u have to add kelp as top dress during grow or any tea's?? I bin using oceans n happy mix with few other thing n I get on most plant few weeks into flower before nutes needed but u ever hear of Stonington blend coast of Maine??? I jus ordered n going try that but I wanna make my own soil but I'm not sure in what I rele need

 

[MistaRasta]

Hey brother hope you don't mind but sounds like u got water only down .. Did u have to add kelp as top dress during grow or any tea's?? I bin using oceans n happy mix with few other thing n I get on most plant few weeks into flower before nutes needed but u ever hear of Stonington blend coast of Maine??? I jus ordered n going try that but I wanna make my own soil but I'm not sure in what I rele need

just use the mix I posted above and you’ll have phenomenal results; especially after a few cycles. The thing about the mix is- you’ll have a relatively balanced mix depending on where you’re sourcing your inputs from.

I used zero kelp top dresses and zero compost teas. Although these days I’m keen on using teas from good compost. Just gotta have the right compost and Ingredients to make it worth it.

 

[Bucky024]

just use the mix I posted above and you’ll have phenomenal results; especially after a few cycles. The thing about the mix is- you’ll have a relatively balanced mix depending on where you’re sourcing your inputs from.

I used zero kelp top dresses and zero compost teas. Although these days I’m keen on using teas from good compost. Just gotta have the right compost and Ingredients to make it worth it.

Yea I jus grabbed few things gotta get air pump so I can brew with air rather than stir read aeration is better than stir. But yea I am deff going give that a shot I mess up a cereal milk jus days ago had to ditch had same problem with skittles hardcore defoliation at beginning of flower. leave turned yellow an dried with brown patches black dots .. Look like heavy phosphorus but I'm not sure this how it started n spread like wildfire bottom branches n new was ??????? About it new growth yellow very light green n this week old pic plant is garbaged now

 

[zapster2000]

Yes, an all organic mix is definitely available from things bought online.
Depends on how much money you're willing to spend but I use the same recipe as a few of the 'no-tillers' around here and it needs absolutely 0 cook time. I planted a gsc s1 straight in it just to see and it took off like crazy..

Anyway here's the recipe, follow to a tee and you won't have to use any pointless things like teas, and cal mag..

Base mix-
1/3 compost
1/3 peat
1/3 aeration

To each 1 cu ft of base mix add:

1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup neem meal
1/2 cup crab/shrimp meal

1/2 cup gypsum
1/2 cup oyster shell flour

4-5 cups rock dust (basalt, glacial, granite)

Mix and plant, it's going to be stinky. But the smell will be gone in a week so long as you're using good compost.

Hey there, is it okay to ask a random question? I noticed your listed super soil is pretty rock dust heavy compared to other super soils I’ve seen. Mind explaining your thinking behind it? Not knocking it! Just curious, as I’m learning. Also wanting to confirm you plant seeds directly in this? You don’t put at bottom 1/3 rd of container only like you read elsewhere? Thank you!

 

[Coldnasty]

Ok, so myco has to be physically applied to to the roots in order for it to survive and profit the plant so do that only at transplant, I like to mist the rootball with water to make the myco stick to it.
cannabis roots do spread laterally, but in my experience they prefer deeper media to shallow ones, trust me on that.

and in my experience there is no benefit from multiple plants in the same container