MR. NICE STRAINS AND SEEDS

GOLDBERG71

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Its actually something I've been pondering. Later on in my breeding scheme when I find a line I want to stick with is taking the best indica pheno and the best sativa pheno. I'd work them separately with the plan of eventually combining them?! Just one of many thought I have. Because I've noticed that's what shanti tends to do. There are several strains he does it with. Spice comes to mind but there are others besides shit. And I know he doesn't do this for no reason. My thought is it achieves hybrid vigor?? Or at least that's what I want to prove or disprove.

I lost the server before and now blunt beat me to it.

Shit
Category: The Naturals - Old school genetics
Family of breed: Skunk#1 (Dom. Afghan) x Skunk#1
Breeder: Nevil and Shantibaba's
Preferred medium: Bio and Hydro, Indoors and outdoors/greenhouse
Expected yield: indoor expect 550-650 g/m2 G/h & outdoor +/- 500 g/plant
Flowering period: Expected indoor flowering time is between 40-50 days. In the northern hemisphere it will be completed by Sep. to early Oct.and in the southern hemisphere by late March to early April.
Recommendations: For the inexperienced growers to the most advanced. Extremely hardy plant and excellent in greenhouses.
Special Notes: It is one of the best all round plants to grow and flower since its flowering cycle is +/- 7 weeks in all types of grows especially suited to greenhouses.
 

GOLDBERG71

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REMEMBER this is a business. He has old school proven breeders. Then he crosses them. Other breeders like dinafem and others buy those seeds. They plant many more than you or I ever could. From those they select parents OF THEIR TASTE. Then they start their work with them. So there's expressions in those genetics you may never see. Since they bred them out. Who knows what that may be.

Forget the work that is involved in creating the "stability" you desire. How profitable would it be for a company to do that. If you could actually buy 1 seed of each strain and have the breeders complete library? I count MNS has 43 strains. So say he charged 20 bucks a bean. For 860 bucks and a years worth of time you have his genetics at breeding quality and selection. Now you've just become his competition with no discernible difference to the customer. Now everyone of us on here starts passing them around for free. If and when it becomes legal globally it might happen.
 
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FranJan

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Welcome franjan

I have a pack of dream time that was a freebie for some reason. It was so insignificant I can't even recall why it was added to my order. I just said thank you and put them in storage with the rest of my seed collection. Truthfully it will probably be the last thing I try because I don't know what to expect from it. If my memory is correct it's a mix of about five thing and there's no info about lineage. Most strains you can find info about percentages ect. Like SSH 25% skunk 25% nl and 50% haze. I really don't want to pop a six foot sativa and have a 3 foot snunk plant or something next to it. Never mind if they all have different desires for food! Ect. Although there is some interesting things in there.

I'm searching for a SSH star right now. I've only popped 25 beans from the 1gram lot I bought. I'm waiting for them to cure now. Of the 12 females there were a few standouts that most people would be happy with. But I'm reaching for the stars for my own personal cut.

I've also got a 1 gram lot of shit. I've run them before and I think it's worth finding a quality specimen of. I'm not rushing to work with it though. Because I have a cut from the first pack. I could be wrong because I only ran one pack but the sativa phenos were a pain in the ass to clean. Although I'm hoping to find one that impresses when I do. But in my pack it was the few indica leaning phenos that stood out.

Critical mass didn't impress me. The flowers were large but everything else about it I found to be average. Didn't even think about buying another pack.

Medicine man I did it early before I learned to appreciate a sativa. So I never sampled any of them. It all went to the patients. Here again I only saved the indica leaning phenos. Those I tried and liked but kept toking the SSH. I also over crowded my area when I ran them. So with the experience I've gained since then I think it's well worth doing again in the future.

I have 2 packs of devil but everything I've read is telling me not to use them inside. So I'm going to have a friend plant some of them outside this season. When the time comes I'm going to pollinate them with my favorite 3-4 females and see if I can't put a little red in them? I'm going to keep cuttings so I can self the ones that produce the nicest colors as well for the following season outside.

For whatever reason I didn't find ash interesting. I've bought more than half the strains and never thought about ordering it. Keep us posted.

Can I ask why you didn't fill those tiny cups with soil? Seedlings need room for the tap root to grow downward. Leaving them in that shallow ground at the start could stunt their growth. I'm always an eager beaver to get my seedling out of the starter flats and into a solo cup as soon as possible. So when they do get transplanted you won't get the rapid growth spurt. Instead it will be getting over the fact the tap root couldn't take its natural course. With cuttings it's not as important because you should have 2 or more nodes below the soil. So the roots start out going sideways before the head south. Just my opinion but it's food for thought.
Dreamtime is great as padding for your minimum for Mr Nice auctions. Why pay 9 bucks extra to ship your 2 sub 50 Euro wins, when you can almost certainly grab Dreamtime for 8 or 9 Euro :). I'll tell you though I'm already thinking of culling the Sativa/Haze strains from the Dreamtime round. The stretch I'm seeing is pretty severe from the sexing I did.

Yeah G my last CM batch produced a boatload of males and a whole bunch of mediocre females, except for one which had a fruity hashy taste with serious coffee undertones and an all day high. Loved that plant but didn't like the 10+ week run and the seeds she tended to produce. Still, I never really understood how to grow CM till recently and I want one more shot at the champ, so to speak. There is a reason this plant is so highly loved in Spain, it just sucks having to find that winner.

ASH was one of those, "sounds interesting, I'll bid 10" and Bingo, I won. I have a WOS Afghan Kush Special and I dig her so I'm thinking ASH could be right up my alley. Hopefully we'll see :).

Can't wait to "search for my SSH star" but I'll need to be a bit luckier than you. I really want a crazy sativa but I'll take anything of quality. I guess though if you really want to find one, Cleaning is the way to go. They just had an IBL Mango cleaning but I guess that's for legal people with room and time.

Devil is something I want to grow just to see how it will respond. I use LEDs and I have a panel that runs Illumitex LEDs. Their spectral output is supposed to accelerate flowering, I've seen a few commercial grow managers say something to that effect but can't really say that myself. It's really about if the plant responds to the light and in the case of Devil, I don't think anyone's ever flowered her under a heavy 660nm spectra and I think that and a really good veg period will eliminate that "can't grow it indoor" tag but I certainly don't think what I'm trying will make it a viable commercial strain for the indoor grower. I'm just hoping the quality that people say the indoor version lacks comes through.

Yeah I totally agree with your root critique but I do want to keep everything a bit slow and small while hunting. My limited amount of space is really dictating what I'm trying. And I like keeping bonsai mother's and I screw with roots all the time but like you say there are consequences. Still what I think is cool is how you being a more commercial grower and me being just a novice home-grower it will show a difference in how we produce our plants and how well Mr Nice's gear grows in different settings, cause nothing grows with such health and vigor like Shanti's stuff does IMHO. Oh and btw LED growers need all the lateral root growth they can get. HPS pots and containers tend to dry a little faster than LED, probably from LEDs lack of IR and how the majority of the heat produced from LED is pushed away from the grow area. So combine that with mix based growing and poor watering techniques and you end up with a mass of roots entangled on the bottom of the container.

Thanks for the input G-Berg and I Hope You Nab Some Winners.

Edit Oh yeah I forgot to add that that was a much better, more realistic explanation of what to expect from Dreamtime. Thanks for that.
 
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TheChemist77

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REMEMBER this is a business. He has old school proven breeders. Then he crosses them. Other breeders like dinafem and others buy those seeds. They plant many more than you or I ever could. From those they select parents OF THEIR TASTE. Then they start their work with them. So there's expressions in those genetics you may never see. Since they bred them out. Who knows what that may be.

Forget the work that is involved in creating the "stability" you desire. How profitable would it be for a company to do that. If you could actually buy 1 seed of each strain and have the breeders complete library? I count MNS has 43 strains. So say he charged 20 bucks a bean. For 860 bucks and a years worth of time you have his genetics at breeding quality and selection. Now you've just become his competition with no discernible difference to the customer. Now everyone of us on here starts passing them around for free. If and when it becomes legal globally it might happen.

i agree selling stable beans may not be a money maker,,,so very true...i just wonder why bother with the write up and pix that get us to buy a strain when very few if any replicate the genetics we thought we were paying for?
in my opinion every seed co should offer at least 1 strain that is stabilized.. i dont think thats too much to ask for...
however im in agreement offering all stable genetics would be the death of a seed co..i guess i never thought of it that way...
 

GOLDBERG71

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i agree selling stable beans may not be a money maker,,,so very true...i just wonder why bother with the write up and pix that get us to buy a strain when very few if any replicate the genetics we thought we were paying for?
in my opinion every seed co should offer at least 1 strain that is stabilized.. i dont think thats too much to ask for...
however im in agreement offering all stable genetics would be the death of a seed co..i guess i never thought of it that way...
Sales. And it's a broad description of ALL the phenos. There's one description that describes the HOLY GRAIL. Then goes on to so its 1 in 1000. But
Wouldn't you love to get that 1/1000
 

TheChemist77

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Sales. And it's a broad description of ALL the phenos. There's one description that describes the HOLY GRAIL. Then goes on to so its 1 in 1000. But
Wouldn't you love to get that 1/1000
i would kill for that phenio just once!!! i have thousnds of dollars of seeds, i get good fems out every pack but ive never found one that is the holy grail,, ive probably run thousands of seeds over the years,, ill keep searching
 

FranJan

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Maaaaaaan this thread died :confused:. Was it something I said? LOL Anyway finishing up my Widow and it's nothing but MNS for the foreseeable future. Flowering some Dreamtime in small cups for fun. then it's on to Devil, SSH, (can't fuckin' wait to grow this), then Medicine Man. Got some ASH, Critical Mass, Shit, and more Dreamtime, (thanks again Simone!), so basically I'm set for the decade :).
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ky man

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Maaaaaaan this thread died :confused:. Was it something I said? LOL Anyway finishing up my Widow and it's nothing but MNS for the foreseeable future. Flowering some Dreamtime in small cups for fun. then it's on to Devil, SSH, (can't fuckin' wait to grow this), then Medicine Man. Got some ASH, Critical Mass, Shit, and more Dreamtime, (thanks again Simone!), so basically I'm set for the decade :).
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that's a good looking plant for sure..ky
 

GOLDBERG71

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No I hope the threads not dead. I've been real busy. Spring has sprung. That's lots more for me to do. Taking care of the yard and my boat just got added to all the regular shit. Never mind actually fishing! I've got much to write and no time to do it. But wanted to check in. I'm still working through my reviews. So I'm going to be general. Started with the La Niña. Smells were described as pungent citrus lemon deisel sour deisel earthy skunky and soapy. Obviously some some leaned more towards some and less of others. I started with 30 seeds and got 50/50 male/female. 1 of 3 sativa leaning phenos was tossed due to very poor potency. I've yet to make the final decision but the clear front runner is a very citrusy pheno.

Super silver haze I started with 25. I don't recall the exact numbers but it was slightly less than 50/50. 2 got culled from the get go for pollen producing. I can't recall why but a few others (2/3) got culled. So it's down to 8 contenders and the testing just started but the smell test has been completed. Most common words used are citrus lemon earthy skunky and pine. One got the word grapefruit and another got bubblegum.

During the cleaning party a few nights ago I broke out some of the new strains I started. NL/afg first and it smelled awesome and was good. As the work got done I broke out the G13/widow. EVERYONES eyes opened. And no one cared about the first sample. It has a distinct sweet smell! The taste is "thick" in a good way. And the buzz was great. We never got to test the skunk haze.

I can't say to much more at this point. These last 3 strains I ran in 1 gallon pots so I could fit more and do my selecting. So they were all root bound. So I won't comment on yield because it was handicapped. But I will say this at this moment I don't think you can go wrong with the G13WIDOW!
 

GOLDBERG71

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Speaking of Grails, did you find yours in those La Nina beans?
I can't say I did. It was a good run. But when you can't call it quick ya didn't find it. Everyone was very pleased but grail is a whole other ball game. I bought a cleaning pack of many of the strains I have and La Niña is one of them. So I'm not done with them. But starting with 30 beans is about as big as I want to go. I had a spider mite problem and used it to mostly start over. So I used that chance to run big numbers of SSH AND LA NIÑA.

Now that I'm back in the groove. I won't be cracking more than 10 per strain. My plan is to take the winner and while selfing it I'm going to cross it with the 2 runners up. Then I'll only keep the winner and save the seeds. But I have so many strains to try it will be a while before I break anymore SSH/LA NIÑA. But they'll surely be cracked in the future. At this moment I'm more thinking about the G13/WIDOW. It just cleared up my vision. After I find the keeper from each strain I have I'm going to self the G13/WIDOW winner and cross it with every other keeper I have. The next seeds to pop will be G13/HAZE and G13/SKUNK. Then maybe I'll scramble those 3?

It's to bad we all can't work together! So much to do and so little fucking time to get her done! Good luck hunting E1.

bongsmilie
 

GOLDBERG71

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One more thing to mention. I have 4 devil females. I just forced them 13 days ago. They're in 3 gallon pots so again I won't be commenting on yield. The only thing to report so far is they stretched more than I expected. They won't be complete until early July. So you'll have to tune in for more details.
 

OGEvilgenius

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I actually had some La Nina recently that was really good IMO (a person is on a pheno hunt gave me one of a few to try). Not grail worthy, but damn good none the less. Gonna be forced to run these sooner than later. I have too many seeds.
 
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