Buds lacking density

[Chunky Stool]

I just started a new crop. Nine plants in a 5x5.

 

[204Kush Master]

It's real simple water " feed them " when they need feeding lol let them dry between feeding , the roots also need oxygen . Not bone dry , push your finger in the dirt if it comes out more or less clean and dry its feeding time , if it turns dry and hard you took too long between feedings . Pick up the pot get used to how heavy it is when its dry and when its wet and remember when it comes to "food" less is more. Watch your PH levels and too much heat without C02 is no good . Find 1 strain you like and learn to grow it perfect , don't complicate your grow as different strains , different " food " requirement , so keep it simple and grow 1 strain till its perfect before you move on to the next . And by a perfect grow i mean top notch about 4 oz per plant bone dry and enough crystal that you wanna lick it like an ice-cream cone . I do 9-10 plants per 1000w HPS 5 g Pots soiless medium and yeild 35-40 oz per light of the dangest bud you've ever had the pleasure to smoke .

 

[ToneOZ]

Well for starters I would use mh for the budding. My personal opinion is blue spectrum all the way through. Red light is too much like an incandescent. But anyway, maybe your just not running it long enough. Post pics. Is it sativa or indica leaning? Post pics. Let's see a pre and post harvest pic. If it's sativa leaning I bet your either not running it long enough or your pumping it with too much p and k. Most people on these forums are.

 

[dandyrandy]

I use Mt. Dew

 

[ToneOZ]

Is it code red or Baja blast

 

[Dr. Who]

you water half a gallon of water in 5 gallon plants every day?! None of my plants ever showed signs of underwatering (unlike my last crop) so your suggesting I water more then I take it? these are 7 gallon fabric pots.

Yea idk if I'd water 1/2 gallon everyday that seems excessive. I give my ladies roughly 1 gallon every 3-4 days in 5 gallon pots just my experience personally I wouldn't water everyday

OK I'm off by 25-50% Sorry about that one.
I water a metered amount everyday! MORE o2 to the roots.....Plastic 5 gallon pots. Blooming 4 cups per day and Monster 6+ footers get 6 cups per. A little less at the start to more then that at the mid budding when they really suck it up! Every lights on!

7 gallon AND fabric? 1/2 gallon every 3 days is surely light on watering! Every other at the least and be sure a whole 3/4 gallon goes IN the soil and don't count run off!

Question = Do you get run off?

Blue Dream.
4 plants
5 gal pots
1K hps
10.4 zips per plant average
2.6 lbs rock hard buds

 

[papa canna]

OK I'm off by 25-50% Sorry about that one.
I water a metered amount everyday! MORE o2 to the roots.....Plastic 5 gallon pots. Blooming 4 cups per day and Monster 6+ footers get 6 cups per. A little less at the start to more then that at the mid budding when they really suck it up! Every lights on!

7 gallon AND fabric? 1/2 gallon every 3 days is surely light on watering! Every other at the least and be sure a whole 3/4 gallon goes IN the soil and don't count run off!

Question = Do you get run off?

Blue Dream.
4 plants
5 gal pots
1K hps
10.4 zips per plant average
2.6 lbs rock hard buds

I get a bit of run off, but not a whole lot. I was never too concerned about it as long as something came out.

 

[Greenhouse;save]

Bullshit. If you've got adequate ventilation, there's no reason you can't do nine plants in a 5x5.

Yea sure you could do nine plants in a 5+5.....9smaller plant's.....I defo COULDN'T do 9 in that space 6would be my limit......I learned my lesson quickly(a long time ago) by sticking to many plants in a space that simply wasn't big enuff(10 plants in a 8+4 space)the plants suffer immeasurably(light deprivation,bad air movement,environmental control becomes harder).......#riddle......20-30 could be done in a sog.......but.....he's not doing a sog??......too many new growers make this mistake and suffer because of it.....not realizing just how BIG an MJ plant can grow to......and at the end of the day people set themselves a target of how much they want to yield and to reach this goal they think grow more plants when in fact they have more chance of reaching their goal by growing LESS plants but doing it properly.....

 

[RM3]

..#riddle......20-30 could be done in a sog.......but.....he's not doing a sog??......too many new growers make this mistake and suffer because of it...

When I do this I am pheno hunting and breeding, I grow small plants in 1/2 gallon containers from new seeds, usually flip em at 17 inches and most of em will grow to bout 3 feet while some Sat's and Sat dom's get a tad taller ( I just had to supercrop 2 lanky sats) My room is wide open so there are no crowding or air flow issues

 

[astronautrob]

7 gallon AND fabric? 1/2 gallon every 3 days is surely light on watering! Every other at the least and be sure a whole 3/4 gallon goes IN the soil and don't count run off!

True, he should water a little bit more. I'd personally do 1-1.5 gal roughly every 3-4 days depending on how they looked. But also, I don't follow regimented watering schedule, I just water when I see my plants need it which sometimes is sooner sometimes later but imo is better than following schedules

 

[Greenhouse;save]

When I do this I am pheno hunting and breeding, I grow small plants in 1/2 gallon containers from new seeds, usually flip em at 17 inches and most of em will grow to bout 3 feet while some Sat's and Sat dom's get a tad taller ( I just had to supercrop 2 lanky sats) My room is wide open so there are no crowding or air flow issues

Yea I've seen ALOT of your work RM(very impressive) l was only commenting on the fact that nine good size plants would be pretty cramped in a 5+5 space .......unless.....like yourself their is a reason to keep the plants small.......overcrowding is a problem I feel it isn't discussed enuff on most of our forum's....

 

[RM3]

Yea I've seen ALOT of your work RM(very impressive) l was only commenting on the fact that nine good size plants would be pretty cramped in a 5+5 space .......unless.....like yourself their is a reason to keep the plants small.......overcrowding is a problem I feel it isn't discussed enuff on most of our forum's....

agreed

 

[Dr. Who]

I get a bit of run off, but not a whole lot. I was never too concerned about it as long as something came out.

2 things.

I feel your not watering enough because your not getting the whole root ball wet...(If the plant is of a good size,,say 3'+) Run off in fabric pots tends to indicate that as the rootball is so dense in the "core" of the pot and weak or thin at the edges of the pot. The water is absorbed inefficiently by the soil as the root ball creates a "umbrella" like effect. In fact that's what it's called! The water does some absorbing into the soil and some runs out the thinner area around the edges as that's an easier route for it to take instead of being completely absorbed.

No matter how you choose to water (what style), your not watering enough.......You should let them sit in the run off till it's been taken up by the soil....Not the best of idea's but, it'll work here for this....

I have seen myself. Root balls cut open from fabric pots, that have been carefully watered and the center of that root ball is dry as a bone!

 

[Dr. Who]

True, he should water a little bit more. I'd personally do 1-1.5 gal roughly every 3-4 days depending on how they looked. But also, I don't follow regimented watering schedule, I just water when I see my plants need it which sometimes is sooner sometimes later but imo is better than following schedules

Agreed!

I like my way better!
You like your way better!
Neither are "wrong" - We just do what we found works best for us!

 

[papa canna]

So what is the suggested water regimen? I wouldnt want to wait for my plant to be droopy before I feed. Is there anything before that to look for? Most people tell me to go by weight, but i have a hard time with that. Maybe i should just try to stick with it some more. So instead i just went with every 3 days. I will water more whatever the case.

 

[Dr. Who]

So what is the suggested water regimen? I wouldnt want to wait for my plant to be droopy before I feed. Is there anything before that to look for? Most people tell me to go by weight, but i have a hard time with that. Maybe i should just try to stick with it some more. So instead i just went with every 3 days. I will water more whatever the case.

Every other day
1.5 gallons (reduce or increase as needed)
Now I'm no fan of "smart pots" But you can let them sit in the run off till it's taken back up by the plant. This can be not the best Idea if you are a heavy feeder.....be sure to alternate feeding with a plain water, watering = "feed - water - feed - water etc, etc."

Kinda uncomfortable with that still....but, like I said if your not pushing your plants and your alternating your feed and water,,,, it should be ok.

What DO you feed with and how much per and how often?

 

[tyke1973]

How do you get denser buds? I'm On my third harvest but I'm still lacking the density that I would like. Buds look pretty decent on harvest day (until I get to the bottom of the plant, I need to do more pruning next time) but after about a 4 day hang dry, they look a lot less dense

Specs:

600w mh/hps
Adjust a wing open reflector
Gh maxi series
Botanicaire call at
Gh root enhancer
4x4-5x5 space pending spacing
70-77 degrees
9 plants in fabric pots

Less plants,they will be fighting for space.This will take the effort from getting the buds to fill out,Also take the bottom's of early in flowering this will get more production into the top's.Some strains just do not get dense though,like tga's jack the ripper johnsons gdppbc they just a fluffy bud.
Most strains will fill out from week 6 on wards though,right after i add pk 13/14 you can see the difference that does to them each day they get fatter,same with advanced over drive

 

[papa canna]

Every other day
1.5 gallons (reduce or increase as needed)
Now I'm no fan of "smart pots" But you can let them sit in the run off till it's taken back up by the plant. This can be not the best Idea if you are a heavy feeder.....be sure to alternate feeding with a plain water, watering = "feed - water - feed - water etc, etc."

Kinda uncomfortable with that still....but, like I said if your not pushing your plants and your alternating your feed and water,,,, it should be ok.

What DO you feed with and how much per and how often?

I was watering a half gallon per plant every 3 days. Using gh maxi series and calmag. After everything was added I believe it was about 600-700 ppm in the water. But I fed every single waterng. With no visible ill effects. But I am growing soilless, so I was told to feed every time. But I believe my feedings are on the lighter side per the amount of water

 

[Dr. Who]

You should run concentrations higher and alternate feed,water. This gives tempering time. It will also help keep build up (salts) lower. So less leeching will be required!

 

[papa canna]

You should run concentrations higher and alternate feed,water. This gives tempering time. It will also help keep build up (salts) lower. So less leeching will be required!

Ok. Should I be using something special like a carb or pk booster? I just use the a and b with calmag and root enhancer