America's guns and the Euro View point?....
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You mean like CA's ban on open carry and most jurisdictions refusal to grant a concealed carry permit, thereby creating a constructive denial of 2nd Amendment rights?
cannabineer
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Just like that, yes.
Federson
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I'm kind of confused about what OP wants from this thread? A discussion about 'murica and guns?
As BluntMassa mentioned, American hunters would be the largest army in the world (12.7 mil active US hunters) and would cause any country to think twice about invading. Of course, no stoner is allowed to own a firearm in the US because we're all dangerous and unpredictable.
As BluntMassa mentioned, American hunters would be the largest army in the world (12.7 mil active US hunters) and would cause any country to think twice about invading. Of course, no stoner is allowed to own a firearm in the US because we're all dangerous and unpredictable.
Singlemalt
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^^^^^This. What exactly, from a Euro perspective is a "gun culture"? A lot of Americans have guns and don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. They are tools and/or rec items thought about when time to use them. I also don't spend any time thinking about all the power tools or ag equipment I own until I need to use them. Am I a member of a power tool or ag equipment culture? As Bear said, I think it is a politicized and ginned up concept
DutchKillsRambo
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Ehh a lot of the other hunters I know are more likely to invade a Golden Corral then join an army lol. Just owning a weapon does not an army make.
Whitetail hunting in the NE at least isn't much of a challenge. Some of the fuckers I see out (with the most bone collector stickers on their purposefully left on mud trucks) waddle out to get hammered and maybe blast a button buck from 30 yards. Their idea of stalking is the trail of Busch cans and Skoal tins they left on the way to the tree stand.
Of course I don't mean Alaska. I think you are born with a 30-30 and beard up there.
Singlemalt
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LOL, yep I doubt 12 million American's could cooperate on anything
Federson
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Well it'd be a really shitty invasion force, but as freedom fighters or whatever there really isn't that much coordination needed. Individual cells can operate much the same as iraqi and afghani "terrorists" do. I'd bet money that at least half the people fighting against the world police that is the US and nato are just villagers that are pissed off at soldiers being dickheads in their villages.
tyler.durden
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I was also of this mindset which is why I was surprised when Chicago and DC recently lifted their handgun ban. I always assumed the first step in dominating a given populace was to disarm them. So why this recent move? Like we needed more guns in Chicago of all places? I never thought we'd see concealed carry here. I'm not at all against owning firearms, although I don't personally. Mainly because if my grow op is found I don't want a lot of cash or any guns in my place to compound my felony. Doesn't this seem strange?
Corso312
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We hear very little this side of the Atlantic ocean about US gun law, or, indeed, US gun culture (yep; that's how it is portrayed in the media over here)..maybe a "nutter shoots colleagues" kind of thing at the end of the TV news....
We understand the point of armed revolution against an oppressive government (Oh, the royal arse/ass is still red from that 1783 spanking), and that's why the government want to relieve you of them....but there's more to it..isn't there????...
Guns...wtf?....
Cultural exchange anyone?
I still haven't figured out why Americans have this strange gun fetish.
Corso312
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Drowning-Man
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I live in Texas. No gun registration, no 2 week. Waiting period, and a must issue state for carry permits. As long as you don't have a felony you can purchase a gun in some cases an hour. History shows that every genocide in history had gun confiscation before hand. The Nazis confiscated millions of firearms from the Jews before hand. Plus gun control of law abiding citizens does not curb violence. Criminals will get em anyway. " Guns and bibles won this country and guns and bibles will keep it
Drowning-Man
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bluntmassa1
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Exactly the reason Afghanistan has and will never be conquered. Not too shabby for a bunch of cave dwelling goat hearders, hashish and opium farmers.
The two baddest forces on earth the Soviet Union and USA/NATO failed to conquer Afghanistan.
Nobody will conquer America sure unorganized militia ain't the Nazi Army. But we are the Vietcong, Taliban, ISIS, FARC, cartels, etc. Etc. That can not be stopped. Only you invade America we got more guns, bullets and gold than any nation on earth.
I wonder if everyone at Columbine was armed, how the outcome might have changed. I wonder if part of the problem is to few guns? Then again I had mandatory public health education so I could be very wrong.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The question becomes who controls the guns. Who has all the guns in a city with a gun ban?
a) The police
b) The serious crims and gangsters
c) Their bodyguards and a few movers&shakers who know somebody who will get them special privilege
d) The small minority of citizens who'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Lift the ban and groups B and C shrink in importance and group D becomes more politically powerful.
The control of firearms privilege becomes more distributed when people are given the opportunity to own and carry them.
Contrast that with the recent removal of open carry from the rights of CA citizens. In the rural area where I live, a revolver with snakeshot would be a nice thing to have on my hip.
You imply that Chicago has too many guns. How many is too many? I do NOT subscribe to the belief that the police can take the place of a defensive deadly weapon. I also do NOT subscribe to the belief that if they can, they always will. The gun in my hand has no political debt of any kind ... I'll keep my trust in it, and express distrust of those who want to restrict my right to its use (not merely possession and operation in restricted Gun Parks). It is also the only dissenting vote that matters when leaders like Justice Sotomayor seriously states she believes the Second Amendment does not apply to citizens but rather to corporations and official state organs. This brings the Third Amendment into jeopardy and makes a travesty of the Posse Comitatus Act. (I could have some of my law wrong. Corrections are invited.)
It is valuable for us to remember that in the USA police officers are civilians. Even as the media very carefully do not mention that fact. I say this means that any weapon a police officer may use on the job is one to which the Second guarantees a citizen's right to access and ownership. Police using .50-caliber rifles? No prob so long as I can get mine at Walmart. Any more restrictive attitude I consider legally untenable.
I'm in where do I get my tank, RPG launcher, 6920LE, since I'm a pilot can I get an Apache too? Hurry, I wanna get my helmet bag monogrammed to read Red Thunder.
420God
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shorelineOG
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You can get all that shit in Mexico where they have outlawed guns, see how that worked out.