Training vs scrog

[bgmike8]

I am limited to 5 plants and I thought I would get more yield if I trained the plants onto a 4x4 table.
I'm using a 5 site aero tub. I thought with scrog I would NOT be able to fill the screen as well.

Now that I'm going I think I may have made a mistake. Plus it's a bitch to train these things and I just broke one..


Pics to give u an idea of what I'm doing. It's just a mess right now but maybe that's okay if I have the table filled? ??

 

[Kevin the Great]

You're a mess. In my opinion, of you're going to do a photo, it's almost mandatory to top at least once. Thin that shit down and try for more top colas. I am pretty much addicted to mainlining now so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. Hard to argue with results though.
ScrOG is, in reality, just an easier form of LST.

 

[Anon Emaus]

I'm a little confused with exactly what's going on there. Looks like you just grew a plant and layed it on its side?

You should be aiming to get all of your budsites on the same even plane. Topping helps to slow the vertical growth to allow others to catch up. Likewise with supercropping to slow growth. Also tieing down branches(lst) is used to get branches more light so more can stretch up to the even plane you are creating. Using a scrog net is an easy way to create the plane by just tucking.

 

[bgmike8]

Yeah. It is plants laying down. Lol
My idea us that when I fill that table, most of the vertical growth will be about even and I will hit it with two 600 w. The space would be full of plant with only 5 actual plants growing to stay legal.

I can pin down growth to the table with string to keep it even.

But do you think I'll get a decent yield?

Do you think I could get the same yield and faster turn around if I just use a net centered over my aero tub and prune and train??

Thanks for the input guys. I have alot of cash tied up in this and I need to maximize profits. I really appreciate the help.

 

[bgmike8]

You're a mess. In my opinion, of you're going to do a photo, it's almost mandatory to top at least once. Thin that shit down and try for more top colas. I am pretty much addicted to mainlining now so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. Hard to argue with results though.
ScrOG is, in reality, just an easier form of LST.

Nice pics. Did you prune early on to get those branches like that at the bottom?

 

[Kevin the Great]

Nice pics. Did you prune early on to get those branches like that at the bottom?

Yep. In my opinion, mainlining is the way to go. I mainline and use a screen if necessary.
This plant was taken to 8 tops and has not required any additional training to make it as shown.

 

[bgmike8]

What kind of yield do you get?

 

[GuyLeDuche]

Yep. In my opinion, mainlining is the way to go. I mainline and use a screen if necessary.
This plant was taken to 8 tops and has not required any additional training to make it as shown.

I use a mainline style myself, though I use 2 nodes to make a "+" shape rather than the classic straight line



And here's and idea of how they veg out for me




I could easily toss a 4'x4' screen over those and fill it nicely

 

[Kevin the Great]

Yep. In my opinion, mainlining is the way to go. I mainline and use a screen if necessary.
This plant was taken to 8 tops and has not required any additional training to make it as shown.

Running 2 plants in a 4 square foot cabinet and harvesting one a month, I get 4 to 5 sometimes up to 6 ounces a month.
Organic soil and 220 watts of COB. I'm sure I could get more if I did 1 plant in the whole area but I do it perpetual so 1 plant takes more than half the space in the cabinet then gets chopped and the other plant crowds the space. Understand?

 

[bgmike8]

I think so. Don't know much about the led lighting. Seems like you're getting. .5 to.75 grams per watt.

Im assuming that you are not completely filling the 4x4 area.

So if I scrog with 5 plants and completely fill the area. Then flower with 2 600 watt lights, I shouldn't have a problem pulling a pound.

We're you quoting dry weight or wet?

 

[GuyLeDuche]

He's saying 4 sq ft, not 4x4. I think most say 1lb from a 1000w is reasonable, so 1200w should be no problem imo

 

[whitebb2727]

For a scrog you need to start topping early. Top several times. I filled a 2x4 with two plants. Five in a 4x4 is more than enough.

 

[bgmike8]

You guys are awesome. I had this idea of training them down to the table and now that I'm trying it I feel stupid. But I guess you have to do it to learn.

I will flower these soon and start a scrog next. I'm going to hang a string net with pvc pipes right over the middle of the tubs.

Hope you guys are around for that grow..

Thanks again. My understanding of scrog has multiplied 10x . I've been reading all night many different sources. Wish I wasn't so hard headed to begin with to think I could come up with a better method... lol

 

[Kevin the Great]

I think so. Don't know much about the led lighting. Seems like you're getting. .5 to.75 grams per watt.

Im assuming that you are not completely filling the 4x4 area.

So if I scrog with 5 plants and completely fill the area. Then flower with 2 600 watt lights, I shouldn't have a problem pulling a pound.

We're you quoting dry weight or wet?

4 square feet, not 4x4.
Gram per watt numbers don't really mean much to me since I only harvest half the area at a time. Dry.

 

[Anon Emaus]

I think so. Don't know much about the led lighting. Seems like you're getting. .5 to.75 grams per watt.

Im assuming that you are not completely filling the 4x4 area.

So if I scrog with 5 plants and completely fill the area. Then flower with 2 600 watt lights, I shouldn't have a problem pulling a pound.

We're you quoting dry weight or wet?

You'll easily pull a pound with 4x4 space and two 600w in aero. You could pull a pound with one 600w in that space. Aim for 2 lb's at least
To lower veg time just use your flower stretch to fill your net, I veg for a month then just fill my 2x2 net while it's stretching after 12/12 flip. That's with one plant.

 

[bgmike8]

I'll probably be a little afraid to switch over until it's close to filled. Then I'll learn the hard way. Lol. I'll let you know when I start the scrog. I have to flower this mess first.

 

[bgmike8]

Are you in soil? This aero tub is fast. I can see just veggies a few weeks. They shoot up quick.

 

[bgmike8]

Oh. And let me just ask u guys rather make a new thread.

I'm using the gh 3 part. The feed schedule has a part for transition.
I'm guessing I would go 12-12 and on that day change the res out and follow the transition schedule for about a week???

This blue kripple is supposed to finish in about 8 weeks so I'm thinking the aero will speed that up to about 7 weeks??

 

[whitebb2727]

You guys are awesome. I had this idea of training them down to the table and now that I'm trying it I feel stupid. But I guess you have to do it to learn.

I will flower these soon and start a scrog next. I'm going to hang a string net with pvc pipes right over the middle of the tubs.

Hope you guys are around for that grow..

Thanks again. My understanding of scrog has multiplied 10x . I've been reading all night many different sources. Wish I wasn't so hard headed to begin with to think I could come up with a better method... lol

If you look at the link in my signature it shows the steps of how I did it. I used some left over fencing for my screen.

Only thing I would do different from the pic I posted is let them get taller and cut more of the undergrowth out.

 

[bgmike8]

I just visited the room. The more I look at it the more I'm ready to give up. I'm attaching some pics. I think I have enough veg to fill a 4x4 net. I'm thinking I'll build one tonight and try to fit it over this mess. I know it's not a true scrog because I didn't top but it will probably be better than what I'm doing now. If I can n pull a pound out of it I won't lose any cash and next grow I can do it right.

What do you think??