Darthdanks 2016 season

[greasemonkeymann]

[QUOTE="norcal mmj, post: 12600284, member: 685873

I didn't get much feedback in the outdoor section, so hopefully someone here has used them. @greasemonkeymann[/QUOTE]
outdoor plants LOVE LOVE grassclipping in the mix, and the slowest release forms of nitrogen.
Actually as much as I hate to use it, bloodmeal has a good use in outdoor plants.
Outdoor plants will use up almost all the nitrogen quickly outside, well to a degree obviously.
but almost always the limiting macro outside is nitrogen, followed by calcium.
i'd go with fish meal, that bio live, some grass clipping, and maybe a lil added alfalfa too.
If you have bloodmeal that's good too
remember to couple the fast release with the medium, along with the slow release forms of nitrogen (applies to all nutrients really, especially outside in a long season with LOTS of photosynthesis)

 

[norcal mmj]

I put fish meal on my list to buy. I have neem meal and alfalfa I use. Thanks for the input.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

I put fish meal on my list to buy. I have neem meal and alfalfa I use. Thanks for the input.

Lets take a look at what you have 1st. I pulled up the label for the "Green Trees" and it has fish in it. I know that Bio-Live has fish also.

Green Trees:
IngredientsTotal Nitrogen (N) 15 %
0.60 % Ammoniacal Nitrogen
0.28 % Nitrate Nitrogen
9.18 % Urea Nitrogen
8.13 % Other Water Soluble Nitrogen
2.29 % Water Insoluble Nitrogen

Available Phosphate (P2O5) 5 %
Soluble Potash (K2O) 5 %
Calcium (Ca) 6.5 %
Magnesium (Mg) 1.1 %
Sulfur (S) 1.5 %
Iron (Fe) 0.8 %

Derived From: Seabird Guano, Fish Meal, Kelp Meal, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Urea, Blood Meal, Langbeinite, Ferrous Sulfate, Dolomite, Neem Meal, Sulfate of Potash, Triple Superphosphate, Oyster Shell, Feather Meal, Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Phosphate, Diammonium Phosphate, Monoammonium Phosphate, Potassium Sulfate, Greensand, Volcanic Ash, Glacial Rock Dust.

ALSO CONTAINS NONPLANT FOOD INGREDIENTS

2.0 % Humic Acid (Derived from Leonardite)

 

[norcal mmj]

Lets take a look at what you have 1st. I pulled up the label for the "Green Trees" and it has fish in it. I know that Bio-Live has fish also.

Green Trees:
IngredientsTotal Nitrogen (N) 15 %
0.60 % Ammoniacal Nitrogen
0.28 % Nitrate Nitrogen
9.18 % Urea Nitrogen
8.13 % Other Water Soluble Nitrogen
2.29 % Water Insoluble Nitrogen

Available Phosphate (P2O5) 5 %
Soluble Potash (K2O) 5 %
Calcium (Ca) 6.5 %
Magnesium (Mg) 1.1 %
Sulfur (S) 1.5 %
Iron (Fe) 0.8 %

Derived From: Seabird Guano, Fish Meal, Kelp Meal, Bat Guano, Fish Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Urea, Blood Meal, Langbeinite, Ferrous Sulfate, Dolomite, Neem Meal, Sulfate of Potash, Triple Superphosphate, Oyster Shell, Feather Meal, Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Phosphate, Diammonium Phosphate, Monoammonium Phosphate, Potassium Sulfate, Greensand, Volcanic Ash, Glacial Rock Dust.

ALSO CONTAINS NONPLANT FOOD INGREDIENTS

2.0 % Humic Acid (Derived from Leonardite)

I'm using the green tree bloom, not veg. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

I'm using the green tree bloom, not veg.

I saw the "Bloom" on your container. I am not telling you what to do or anything. I was really just pointing it out.

 

[norcal mmj]

I saw the "Bloom" on your container. I am not telling you what to do or anything. I was really just pointing it out.

Ok, the ingredients you posted were for the high nitrogen kind. I'm lost I guess....but I love advice. These are new products I'm trying.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I put fish meal on my list to buy. I have neem meal and alfalfa I use. Thanks for the input.

neem meal is GREAT to use, a must have in my opinion.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Ok, the ingredients you posted were for the high nitrogen kind. I'm lost I guess....but I love advice. These are new products I'm trying.

nah, I was just saying that more often than not long before you even get to the flowering season it's gonna need that nitrogen first and foremost.
Typically that's the limiting factor for outside grows
the flowering parts usually are the easiest parts, provided its not rainy or shitty-humid out.
a 2/8/6 would maybe alright for an inside grow but that 2% nitrogen is gonna leave em hungry man.
you could absolutely use that, i'd just spike it up a lil with neem/fish/alfalfa meals.

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Ok, the ingredients you posted were for the high nitrogen kind. I'm lost I guess....but I love advice. These are new products I'm trying.

http://growgreentrees.com/products/#natural

I went to this website and clicked on the Bloom button and then Ingredients. Do you have these on hand or are you looking to buy them? I ask because Mr.B's looks very similar to Bio-Live, I dont know if you would need both? I could not find any info on your "One shot"..

 

[MustangStudFarm]

nah, I was just saying that more often than not long before you even get to the flowering season it's gonna need that nitrogen first and foremost.
Typically that's the limiting factor for outside grows
the flowering parts usually are the easiest parts, provided its not rainy or shitty-humid out.
a 2/8/6 would maybe alright for an inside grow but that 2% nitrogen is gonna leave em hungry man.
you could absolutely use that, i'd just spike it up a lil with neem/fish/alfalfa meals.

You are saying that outdoor needs more N because there is more light, right?

 

[norcal mmj]

http://growgreentrees.com/products/#natural

I went to this website and clicked on the Bloom button and then Ingredients. Do you have these on hand or are you looking to buy them? I ask because Mr.B's looks very similar to Bio-Live, I dont know if you would need both? I could not find any info on your "One shot"..

Yes I have them, the bio-live is 5-4-2 and the green tree is 2-8-6. The idea being use bio-live until flower and switch to green tree in flower and use the one shot as a flower booster in September. Here's the bloom ingredients.

 

[norcal mmj]

Thanks you guys have responded way more than any one in the outdoor section. @MustangStudFarm @greasemonkeymann

 

[MustangStudFarm]

Yes I have them, the bio-live is 5-4-2 and the green tree is 2-8-6. The idea being use bio-live until flower and switch to green tree in flower and use the one shot as a flower booster in September. Here's the bloom ingredients. View attachment 3683263

I am not going to lie.. Sometimes I follow @greasemonkeymann so that I can learn something new almost everyday. I was hoping to get both of our answers at the same time! I would def listen to him!!!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

You are saying that outdoor needs more N because there is more light, right?

ohhhhh yes!
if you get a light meter you'll see what I mean.
it's probably 10 times stronger than any HID system, at least here in sunny CA it is.
but that coupled with the sheer size of the plant will gobble all that nitrogen up REAL fast.
Calcium too to a degree
but think of a ten foot plant, that has a 5 foot diameter and that's a BIG plant.. all those lil solar panel sun leaves will consume a LOT of nitrogen.
think about the sheer square footage of those collected sunleaves and we are talking a literal biological solar panel

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I am not going to lie.. Sometimes I follow @greasemonkeymann so that I can learn something new almost everyday. I was hoping to get both of our answers at the same time! I would def listen to him!!!

ah man as always I appreciate the kind words, that's all i'm here to do, is to help out a lil

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Yes I have them, the bio-live is 5-4-2 and the green tree is 2-8-6. The idea being use bio-live until flower and switch to green tree in flower and use the one shot as a flower booster in September. Here's the bloom ingredients. View attachment 3683263

only thing i'd may be concerned with is maybe running out of juice a lil early on that, if you are using that as a soil additive that is.
if that's for teas you are good, but then you gotta keep in mind whats soluble and what isn't.
but all the guano in there is gonna run a bit dry in the long run.
if you are using neem meal that's a good backing for it, so is maybe added fishbone meal (I know it in that too, but considering the way it's listed, it's not as a large % of it)

 

[norcal mmj]

only thing i'd may be concerned with is maybe running out of juice a lil early on that, if you are using that as a soil additive that is.
if that's for teas you are good, but then you gotta keep in mind whats soluble and what isn't.
but all the guano in there is gonna run a bit dry in the long run.
if you are using neem meal that's a good backing for it, so is maybe added fishbone meal (I know it in that too, but considering the way it's listed, it's not as a large % of it)

Sounds good to me. I'm only top dressing and making teas with these 2 products. My soil is amended all ready, mix most of it in December.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Sounds good to me. I'm only top dressing and making teas with these 2 products. My soil is amended all ready, mix most of it in December.

Ah, I gotcha, see if you can find some simple lawn clippings, those are overlooked a lot and super great for outside grows, they degrade into a slow release of nitrogen while tuning into humus, a win/win.
steer manure is another good thing for outside plants, mine are loving it, I've never used steer manures before, this is my first yr, sorta a small experiment, and they look pretty damn happy, i'll be damned if they don't even look a bit bigger than the ones in my normal mix

 

[norcal mmj]

Here's my indoor, just watered and about to flip in a few days.

 

[norcal mmj]

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