And the noose continues to tighten..

[fdd2blk]

everything.

Are you crying?

 

[ThickStemz]

"Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory."

Not very convincing.. Not to mention the scientist in question has published papers sponsored by the Heartland Institute

"He has asserted that "parallel global warmings—observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth—can only be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a long-time change in solar irradiance." This claim has not been accepted by the broader scientific community. Some of Abdussamatov's opponents have stated that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations" and that it "doesn't make physical sense."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabibullo_Abdussamatov

Pada, you don't disprove something by saying 'scientists havnt abandoned their other theory.'

Think about it. There was a claim made. The sun is contributing because Mars is warming too.

Well that doesn't generate any research grants does it? We cant alter the sun. We can get grants for research on things we can change. And we can get grants to propel new technology.

But one or two simole facts would dispel tbis; has Mars shown signs of warming too, and is there evidence the sun has increased its output.

Find evidence contradicting either of those and you dispell the counter claim

But you would rather argue from personal incredulity and authority.

Think for yourself, dude.

 

[Padawanbater2]

So the polar caps are shrinking coincidentally then, ok.

What's coincidental about 2016 vying to be the hottest year on record and the Arctic cap melting completely for the first time due to human activities?

I just saw a story about how Mars was actually hotter than Earth in a number of locations recently too.

How could Mars be hotter than the Earth in a few places if the warming is due to solar activity? Mars is 250 million miles from the Earth, 90 million miles farther from the Sun than the Earth is, so how do you explain that?

Jupiter's storms have been increasing in intensity as well.

Source please

There is very likely a lot more variables at work than climatologists at large are considering because they have selfish motive, even if subconsciously... they have their biases. We all do. I tend to favor non coercive policy for example. Even to a fault, because I know the opposite tends to be worse for everyone not in the ruling class.

Now you're talking about a global conspiracy

Unless you have evidence to support this, it's not worth commenting on

Not sure why the scientist in question is even important at all. It's data from NASA (the only part of the story of any concern at all to me).

It's not from NASA, the scientific community has rejected Abdussamatov's theories

I agree with his assessment that all the variables have not been ruled out because they haven't been. And to think they have been is the height of typical human arrogance.

Enough research has been done to confirm without a shadow of a doubt the causes of anthropogenic climate change. The leading culprit being increases in carbon dioxide into the atmosphere

Kind of like how everyone at one point was sure the earth was flat and those who claimed otherwise would be killed for the controversial views.

Common misconception. Didn't happen

Any scientist saying the 'science is settled' is someone I immediately raise an eyebrow to as they clearly do not understand what science is and are obviously being political.

Would you say the same thing to a medical doctor confirming the science is settled about the link between tobacco and lung cancer?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Pada, you don't disprove something by saying 'scientists havnt abandoned their other theory.'

Think about it. There was a claim made. The sun is contributing because Mars is warming too.

Well that doesn't generate any research grants does it? We cant alter the sun. We can get grants for research on things we can change. And we can get grants to propel new technology.

But one or two simole facts would dispel tbis; has Mars shown signs of warming too, and is there evidence the sun has increased its output.

Find evidence contradicting either of those and you dispell the counter claim

But you would rather argue from personal incredulity and authority.

Think for yourself, dude.

Conspiracy theory nonsense isn't worth wasting my time entertaining

 

[ThickStemz]

Conspiracy theory nonsense isn't worth wasting my time entertaining

It isn't a conspiracy theory. Not what the man posted.

He posted a credentialed scientist who published his findings.

You say you don't support conspiracy theories, ironic since you immediately discounted it because of what you implied was a conspiracy.

So yeah, you kind of do, do conspiracy theories

 

[Padawanbater2]

It isn't a conspiracy theory. Not what the man posted.

He posted a credentialed scientist who published his findings.

You say you don't support conspiracy theories, ironic since you immediately discounted it because of what you implied was a conspiracy.

So yeah, you kind of do, do conspiracy theories

"Solar irradiance

It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

Indeed, studies show that solar variability has played a role in past climate changes. For example, a decrease in solar activity is thought to have triggered the Little Ice Age between approximately 1650 and 1850, when Greenland was largely cut off by ice from 1410 to the 1720s and glaciers advanced in the Alps.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.
• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.
• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases."

 

[OGEvilgenius]

What's coincidental about 2016 vying to be the hottest year on record and the Arctic cap melting completely for the first time due to human activities?

How could Mars be hotter than the Earth in a few places if the warming is due to solar activity? Mars is 250 million miles from the Earth, 90 million miles farther from the Sun than the Earth is, so how do you explain that?

Source please

Now you're talking about a global conspiracy

Unless you have evidence to support this, it's not worth commenting on

It's not from NASA, the scientific community has rejected Abdussamatov's theories

Enough research has been done to confirm without a shadow of a doubt the causes of anthropogenic climate change. The leading culprit being increases in carbon dioxide into the atmosphere

Common misconception. Didn't happen

Would you say the same thing to a medical doctor confirming the science is settled about the link between tobacco and lung cancer?

The ice caps on mars... you know, from the article I linked. And all I'm saying is scientists want to get funded to so they can keep working.... conspiracy? Well, no, not exactly. Conspiracy requires secrecy.

A scientist falling on his biases is hardly conspiratorial. Although yeah, I do believe there are some who have engaged in conspiracy as has been demonstrated by the email scandal, this is hardly a majority.

It's also being used as a tool by the very powerful to further consolidate power and establish totalitarian systems of control.

It was written about openly that using the environment would be a fantastic way to implement some really harsh authoritarian policy. John Holdren wrote a book about it in the 70's littered with absolute fucking crazy (forced sterilizations, abortions, mass sterilization through drugging water etc.. all in the name of saving the planet). And he wound up on Obama's cabinet.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

The scientist in question did not produce this data and is totally irrelevant to the point I am making.

And yeah, I would actually question the doctor who made that point as the studies done on cigarettes were almost exclusively done with processed tobacco grown with all kinds of nasty shit. It also depends on how you are consuming it as well. It appears very likely that it does, but it isn't settled and it never will be as there's always a chance for a missed variable.

And that is in no way analogous to the massive system (with so many inputs, including solar system position, sun intensity etc etc) you are trying to claim the science is settled on... when there has yet to be an accurate model produced, the scientists making claims about the future are almost always wrong about everything and yet the science is settled. OK.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

"Solar irradiance

It's reasonable to assume that changes in the sun's energy output would cause the climate to change, since the sun is the fundamental source of energy that drives our climate system.

Indeed, studies show that solar variability has played a role in past climate changes. For example, a decrease in solar activity is thought to have triggered the Little Ice Age between approximately 1650 and 1850, when Greenland was largely cut off by ice from 1410 to the 1720s and glaciers advanced in the Alps.

But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

• Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased slightly.
• If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.
• Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases."

You are aware that our solar system moves in the galaxy right? You are aware there are black holes and other space phenomenon all over the place, many of which we don't understand all that well and which also can have serious effect on a number of different levels whether it's gravity, energy, electromagnetic... you name it.

And the sun itself is a variable as well. So is our electromagnetic shield which helps protects us from said sun. Which, by the way, has been steadily weakening since we've been able to measure it (and the polar axis which shift naturally north and south have instead gone way way way way way off base in ways not predicted by our experience with it).

There is a lot going on right now with our planet beyond the temperatures we're experiencing. The people claiming absolute knowledge and that the science is settled are almost all political hacks with a political agenda. I've spent enough time around scientists to know very few make claims so bold about systems so complex.

The community has no bearing on what the truth is by the way... you seem confused about that.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Would you say the same thing to a medical doctor confirming the science is settled about the link between tobacco and lung cancer?

That's not really proven many non smokers get lung cancer. A lot of smokers also work in the trades which are then exposed to asbestos but if they smoke the cigarettes that did it, do they test what the cause was? And how is such a thing tested? I would not be the slightest bit surprised if car exhaust can cause lung cancer.

So really why do non smokers get lung cancer? Obviously not cigarettes. I damn sure would not be surprised if a lot of none tobacco deaths are blamed on tobacco when the true culprit is the chemicals they put in tobacco and not the tobacco alone.

But we will never know for sure will we? Science is at an early age and if global warming was really a problem why is nothing being done by our own federal government? Big oil makes the Democunts rich why you think we fight wars in oil rich nations?

 

[Padawanbater2]

That's not really proven many non smokers get lung cancer.

Feel free to argue your point circa 1993 when it might have remained relevant

 

[Rob Roy]

Just another bigot talking to himself. The problem is, Spandy will be dead by the time his legacy takes its toll on humanity and the rest of the world. If you think education is expensive, compare that expense to the high cost of ignorance.

Much irony.

Kaiser Wilhelm is grinning in his grave.

 

[ttystikk]

And you're doing absolutely nothing on your part to change any of this. All you care about is proving to an internet forum that you are right. When the day comes you will be standing in the back of the crowd mumbling "I told you so". In the meantime, you keep doing nothing.

Informing us is doing nothing?

WTF have YOU done for the planet lately?

1. I've never bought a new car.
2. I do indeed ride my bicycle and walk for many errands.
3. My primary computing device is my smartphone, far more efficient than my old desktop.
4. I converted to COB LED.
5. I'm doing research to bring high power, high efficiency grow lighting to all sectors of the indoor cultivation industry.
6. I've installed a high efficiency HVAC system based on dual circuit heat pump technology
7. I threw away my old gas furnace- last NOVEMBER, and have used no natural gas for heat since.

So I'll ask you again; exactly what the fuck are YOU doing to help reduce global warming, you worthless hack?!

 

[Rob Roy]

Pada, you don't disprove something by saying 'scientists havnt abandoned their other theory.'

Think about it. There was a claim made. The sun is contributing because Mars is warming too.

Well that doesn't generate any research grants does it? We cant alter the sun. We can get grants for research on things we can change. And we can get grants to propel new technology.

But one or two simole facts would dispel tbis; has Mars shown signs of warming too, and is there evidence the sun has increased its output.

Find evidence contradicting either of those and you dispell the counter claim

But you would rather argue from personal incredulity and authority.

Think for yourself, dude.

Well said. Useful information and applicable in a broader spectrum beyond "climate change" discussions.

Sometimes we get so vested in defending what we believe we reject other possibilities as being possible.

 

[Rob Roy]

 

[fdd2blk]

Informing us is doing nothing?

WTF have YOU done for the planet lately?

1. I've never bought a new car.
2. I do indeed ride my bicycle and walk for many errands.
3. My primary computing device is my smartphone, far more efficient than my old desktop.
4. I converted to COB LED.
5. I'm doing research to bring high power, high efficiency grow lighting to all sectors of the indoor cultivation industry.
6. I've installed a high efficiency HVAC system based on dual circuit heat pump technology
7. I threw away my old gas furnace- last NOVEMBER, and have used no natural gas for heat since.

So I'll ask you again; exactly what the fuck are YOU doing to help reduce global warming, you worthless hack?!

I haven't done shit. I don't give a fuck. That's why you won't see me here crying about it all day.

 

[ttystikk]

I haven't done shit. I don't give a fuck. That's why you won't see me here crying about it all day.

Quoted evidence to the contrary. So in addition to making an ass of yourself you're a liar.

You're a mean smallminded selfish individual with a serious lack of character I refuse to associate with from this point forward.

 

[fdd2blk]

Quoted evidence to the contrary. So in addition to making an ass of yourself you're a liar.

You're a mean smallminded selfish individual with a serious lack of character I refuse to associate with from this point forward.

Are you crying?


After 5 straight years of drought in CA I have come to realize things are changing. I can also admit that it's been set into motion and there really is nothing anyone can do about it. As a human I know I have the knowledge to adapt and overcome. When the oceans rise simply back up.

You can sit here and cry all day about how humans caused all this. It's not going to make a bit of difference.

You mad, bruh?

 

[oldtimer54]

I just saw a story that the atmospheric pressure around Pluto has increased by
300%. Which is by far the most of any body in our solar system. Scientists believe that as our solar system is traveling thru the galaxy at more than 72,000 KPH Pluto has moved into an area of high energy causing these radical changes which means that as we get closer to the area that Pluto now resides in the inhabitants of the third rock from the sun will experience similar results.
I got my info from a recent episode of Beakmans World !

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

It just snowed last night this global warming shit needs to hurry up.

lmao, ill do ya one better....three straight days of 65-85 degrees here in burlington..........then down to 25 for 3 more.........all in MAY! yes there's snow now too! el nino nina wtf man.

 

[Fogdog]

I just saw a story that the atmospheric pressure around Pluto has increased by
300%. Which is by far the most of any body in our solar system. Scientists believe that as our solar system is traveling thru the galaxy at more than 72,000 KPH Pluto has moved into an area of high energy causing these radical changes which means that as we get closer to the area that Pluto now resides in the inhabitants of the third rock from the sun will experience similar results.
I got my info from a recent episode of Beakmans World !

Haahaahahaaa, you've been had or maybe I've missed your sarcasm and the joke is on me. In any case, what a funny post this is. The solar system has moved into an area of "high energy". Can anyone explain what the form the high energy is in or where it comes from? I don't think so, because its all ooga booga psuedo religious crackpot science bullshit. And plasma beings live in the core of our planet too. LOL

This science denial myth goes like this, solar system moved into a "high energy" (whatever that is) area of galaxy is stimulating activity in the sun, which causes earth and all planets to warm up. Those climate scientists are so wrong. Anybody with a grade school diploma knows better (or thinks they do).

How about some reality?

Climate Myth...
Other planets are warming
"[E]vidence that CO2 is not the principle driver of warming on this planet is provided by the simultaneous warming of other planets and moons in our solar system, despite the fact that they obviously have no anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases.

Mars, Triton, Pluto and Jupiter all show global warming, pointing to the Sun as the dominating influence in determining climate throughout the solar system." (Ian McClintock)


Rebuttal to the Myth
This argument is part of a greater one that other planets are warming. If this is happening throughout the solar system, clearly it must be the sun causing the rise in temperatures – including here on Earth.

It is curious that the theory depends so much on sparse information – what we know about the climates on other planets and their history – yet its proponents resolutely ignore the most compelling evidence against the notion. Over the last fifty years, the sun’s output has decreased slightly: it is radiating less heat. We can measure the various activities of the sun pretty accurately from here on Earth, or from orbit above it, so it is hard to ignore the discrepancy between the facts and the sceptical argument that the sun is causing the rise in temperatures.

TSI from 1880 to 1978 from Solanki. TSI from 1979 to 2009 from PMOD.

But if the sun’s output has levelled off or even diminished, then what is causing other planets to warm up? Are they warming at all?

The planets and moons that are claimed to be warming total roughly eight out of dozens of large bodies in the solar system. Some, like Uranus, may be cooling. All the outer planets have vastly longer orbital periods than Earth, so any climate change on them may be seasonal. Saturn and its moons take 30 Earth years to orbit the Sun, so three decades of observations equates to only 1 Saturnian year. Uranus has an 84-year orbit and 98° axial tilt, so its seasons are extreme. Neptune has not yet completed a single orbit since its discovery in 1846.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm

Nobody knows what the typical yearly temperatures of outer planets is. Nobody can say what is normal or not. To say otherwise requires faith, a commodity of no value to science.