Title says it all. Why has one has ever tied the confederate flag to the proud actions of the Southern colonies and then states during the revolutionary war and war of 1812? Or why not use a different flag that honors those actions as opposed to the slavery and discrimination still attached to the stars and bars?
Can anyone passionately and intelligently explain what Southern pride in relation to the Rebel flag
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Olive Drab Green
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For the South, it wasn't about the slavery, it was about their rights and their way of life, which happened to be made off the backs of slaves, but it made their half of the country what money it had. Made millionaires with the agricultural production and fed the Southern way of life. Not only that, but the South lost a bunch of soldiers--young men fighting for their ideology--and civilians, too, and even though I'm a Yankee, born and bred, I think that's the most important thing to keep in mind. So, I do think the Rebel flag should be left alone and Confederate fallen should be honored and not forgotten, even if I disagree with their ideology. I get really annoyed and even pissed when I see the Confederate battle flag/standard/guidon, but it's their right and their principles.
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NLXSK1
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Why have you chosen it to stand for slavery when it can stand for other things? Dont like it? Dont fly it... Fly your own flag. Whatever you like. And god bless America because it is your right to do it.
What about Southern black Americans who shared in that shitty legacy? Does Southern pride apply to them in that case? I would also like an intelligent southerner to reply not a northern apologist. The South wasn't only white people but Southern pride in relation to the flag seems to only apply to them.
Olive Drab Green
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Apologist? No. Just a soldier who understands. And, no shit, the South wasn't only white. I mentioned the slaves. However, just because the African-American community harbors a well-deserved hatred for it doesn't invalidate the Southern White Good Old Boy's freedom of speech, and if you can't handle that, get the hell out of this country and stop wiping your ass with the Constitution.
Olive Drab Green
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I even understand the Afghani Muj that nearly killed me and wiped out 30-some-odd people from my unit in horrible ways. I have hated them, but I can't disagree with their reasoning.
Olive Drab Green
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Sure, there is. But it's one of their historic symbols.
Youre allowed to do whatever you want but then you wonder why the animosity? If you lived in a place where you were reminded of systematic oppression on a daily basis do you think that would lead to a better community.
And why do people use it for initimidation? I don't think those guys following that black family in a monster truck were doing it for Southern Pride.
And why do people use it for initimidation? I don't think those guys following that black family in a monster truck were doing it for Southern Pride.
Olive Drab Green
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Again, Civil War wasn't really about slavery to them. Slavery was secondary to the fear of their lifestyle degrading rapidly. I disagree with how they earned that living, but I understand why they fought to keep it.
Olive Drab Green
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The people that use it for intimidation and the maintenance of hatred are definitely a problem. Some people, though, fly that ugly ass flag for the memory of what they, as a seceded country, stood for (in their eyes, Freedom and right to thrive,) and for the memories of their Honored Dead. I'm picking up what you're putting down, but you're generalizing too much. The South was broken. Let them keep their memory of their "glory days" when they felt strong. No need to kick 'em when they're down, only when they stand back up waiting to pick another fight.
Freedom of speech is one thing but living your life according to antebellum values is another don't you think? Why are the guys in z71s who like to ride up my ass at 90mph flying the confederate flag?
I also think the ladies and thousands of oppressed people in Afghanistan won't want to see mujahedeen or Taliban flags flying 150 years after the war? Or am I reading that wrong?
I also think the ladies and thousands of oppressed people in Afghanistan won't want to see mujahedeen or Taliban flags flying 150 years after the war? Or am I reading that wrong?
NLXSK1
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You could choose not to be offended or intimidated and simply go about your life.
Freedom also includes the freedom to be offensive.
That fight is a daily struggle that some people here never let go. It is still affecting people. Why not a different flag? I know them swamp boys kicked the shit out of the British down in Tennessee and Kentucky. Why not something like that? That to me is Southern Pride. Ingenuity courage and guile.
Olive Drab Green
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Again, that guy on the road that was up your ass, probably giving a Rebel yell? Total asshole. But you can't generalize like that/ Some of those country folk aren't championing slavery, just their faded glory, and they're peaceful about it.
Afghanistan? I dunno, man. And I don't care. We need to preserve our freedom, not theirs. And most of them support the Taliban, anyway.
Olive Drab Green
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Because that flag is important to them, and you can't condemn them for such a personal importance. Worry only about the divisive people.
NLXSK1
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Why did you move to the south and then choose to complain about the southern flag?
