Raided...

[jafro daweedhound]

Canada's largest target arrest ever !!!
More raids coming tomorrow ?
Patients being forcefully harmed by this legalization
All those personal records in computers now being combed through by police
Lot of people still in jail trying to make bail
bill blair is a happy man tonight - bet he is just giddy with joy
Protest tomorrow at 10 am at the TO pig station (who among us remember when pigs were called pigs - ah the good old days...)

Time just to go back to the old ways - they worked for 50 years before we tried to be legit.

Cant wait to see how the lift shit goes down, I bet it will be a riot !!!! Bunch of rats in booths meet the folks they had thrown in jail. I wish I could go - I'm a lot of fun at things like that.

I got to smoke a bit of tranquility before I choke some LP CEO

 

[Gmack420]

There's no doubt about the 'pot star' demographic but treating a substance that is not alcohol like alcohol is wrong.

Cannabis does not metabolize in the same fashion as Alcohol(Ethanol) does, and is not made up of the same ingredients. The 0.08 blood level was arrived at as a general indicator of when someone should not be driving, there is no such consensus when it comes to the blood levels regarding cannabis, despite what some biotech firms hoping to patent the new 'standard' test that police departments will use. One case of 'drugged driving' was already thrown out of court for just this reason. Also keep in mind that being excessively tired and driving has been shown to 'alter your consciousness' in the same way alcohol does, and yet we don't have interlock devices for testing fatigue.

There are also a raft of studies showing cannabis legalization has had no impact (sometimes the reverse) of increasing highway fatalities, the 0.50ng/ml was some bullshit number I-502 in Washington had tacked on. Some studies indicate drivers are more likely to drive safely after ingesting cannabis, but I'd stop short of saying it's a great idea. The manner in which it is similar to alcohol is it's up to the individual to judge for themselves. Drunk driving is a huge, huge problem, and all the 'legal frameworks' aren't going to stop someone who doesn't care about endangering themselves or others from getting behind the wheel.

There are absolutely people talking about drugged driving. Blair has mentioned it ad nauseum, it's usually the first fear-mongering tactic thrown up by prohibitionists that the devil's lettuce will make everyone commit massive vehicular manslaughter, etc. We know from other legalized jurisdictions that the fear tactics don't match up to reality. Is it a good idea to do a sheet of shatter and drive? Not really. Should users be banned from driving? Also no. If legalization entails something like that, it will most definitely be seen as a s.7 violation/overreach and be tossed in court.

As far as 'easy' access, it's no easier for someone under 18 to get weed from a dispensary than to get cigarettes or liquor from the appropriate outlets (and far easier for them to get it from their local school dealer). I'm really not sure where this perception that dispensaries will kidnap kids and force them to smoke weed comes from, but it's just FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). So I really don't know what to tell you here, I'd be more afraid of 'easy access' to both alcohol and tobacco, both substances proven to be far more damaging to humans / children than cannabis is.

And sorry, but your entire line of reasoning is either an appeal to age or emotion (think of the children). The facts don't back up the fear.

There are already stong test in use by law enforcement that are capable of detecting impairment. No need for any laws to change. Yes the amount of stoned drives on the road will go up with legalization just due to the fact more people will be using it then currently do. DUI arrest will also go up for people impaired by mj as the number of stoned drives goes up. As I've said many times high isn't equal to impaired. The test we already have are sufficient to keep the roads safe. I know when I'm not safe to drive. There's no magic thc/blood ratio to prove when I'm impaired. Intelligent people already know this.

 

[Gmack420]

Marc Emery added 2 new photos — in Toronto, Ontario.
3 hrs ·
Over 1,000 pounds of raw cannabis seized from 80+ dispensaries in Toronto. $2,200,000 value. Extracts and edibles on top of that. Terrible losses to the community. And then there are the costs to the hundreds held in custody in bail and legal fees. And there will be more arrests in the days ahead.

 

[gb123]

Marc Emery added 2 new photos — in Toronto, Ontario.
3 hrs ·
Over 1,000 pounds of raw cannabis seized from 80+ dispensaries in Toronto. $2,200,000 value. Extracts and edibles on top of that. Terrible losses to the community. And then there are the costs to the hundreds held in custody in bail and legal fees. And there will be more arrests in the days ahead.

something has to keep those lazy fotches employed. or theyd be outtta work ..

business

 

[Gmack420]

something has to keep those lazy fotches employed. or theyd be outtta work ..

business

Fuck the numbers are huge! Business is good. Better for some. Some more numbers to crunch.

Marc Emery added 4 new photos — in Toronto, Ontario.
4 hrs ·
The largest targeted mass arrest in Toronto UNTIL TODAY was OPERATION SOAP in February 5, 1981 when Toronto police arrested 300 gay men in 4 bath houses over 2 days. Today's estimated 350-380 people arrested at 82 dispensaries marks the largest targeted mass-arrest in Toronto & Canadian history. The G20 mass-arrests (where few were charged) numbered over 900, when Bill Blair was also in town, but was an indiscriminate corralling of people in an area. The October Crisis of 1970 was a crisis that involved the kidnapping and murder of Pierre Laporte, a Quebec provincial cabinet minister, and the kidnapping and subsequent release of James Cross, a British diplomat, by members of the Front de libération du Québec (FLQ). The events took place during October 1970 in the province of Quebec, Canada, mainly in the Montreal metropolitan area. The October Crisis saw martial law invoked in Canada for the only time in modern history and even that saw fewer arrests than BLACK THURSDAY today. ‪#‎wehateyouJohnTory‬

 

[Chef420]

I agree with everything you just said. My understanding is of traffic fatalities involving cannabis increasing at a significant amount in Colorado.
I just want to clarify a few things.
I meant the cannabis community isn't talking about "smoking responsibly" and I think they should. It would go along way for the movement. And you're absolutely right, they'll assign a blood level that heavier users, myself included, have to work with. For me, after 1.5-2hrs after smoking I feel I'm good to go. That's every day. But how do you measure that?
I'm also not against dispensaries. I'm a medical user and don't have a card but the two places I went into wouldn't sell to me without a script. Whatever. That's why I'm growing my own.
Do you remember that school in Brampton(?) that was right next door to a legal grow op in a house? The smell was wafting into the classrooms.To me that's just stupid and irresponsible to the cause. I kind of feel the same about this.

 

[Gmack420]

I agree with everything you just said. My understanding is of traffic fatalities involving cannabis increasing at a significant amount in Colorado.
I just want to clarify a few things.
I meant the cannabis community isn't talking about "smoking responsibly" and I think they should. It would go along way for the movement. And you're absolutely right, they'll assign a blood level that heavier users, myself included, have to work with. For me, after 1.5-2hrs after smoking I feel I'm good to go. That's every day. But how do you measure that?
I'm also not against dispensaries. I'm a medical user and don't have a card but the two places I went into wouldn't sell to me without a script. Whatever. That's why I'm growing my own.
Do you remember that school in Brampton(?) that was right next door to a legal grow op in a house? To me that's just stupid and irresponsible to the cause. I kind of feel the same about this.

They doubled in Washington state. That is fatal crashed where the drives had detectable traces of thc in their blood. Not to say they were impaired just that they had used Mj. Btw I quit smoking for 33 days to pass a piss test. Scored 16 nanograms on the same test Washington uses where the limit is 5. Tell me how impaired was I 33 days after not smoking? You ask how do you measure that? It's simple roadside sobriety testing. If you can't pass the simple test don't drive. How does someone living next to a school matter? The kids can't get in there without breaking the laws that cover break and enter. Why should a medical user be forced to either not grow or grow elsewhere? Why can't the shitty kids parents teach their kids to not steal? Is it not stupid and irresponsible to deny a Canadian citizen their right to medical marijuana on the chance someone else will break the laws to access that marijuana? You say it takes you 1.5-2 hours before you feel safe enough to drive. Think you'd pass the road side sobriety test? If so you're probably safe to drive. im not saying marijuana can't impair people's ability to drive it just doesn't do it in a quantifiable way.

 

[jafro daweedhound]

For me, after 1.5-2hrs after smoking I feel I'm good to go.

So when it takes a month to leave your system you are fine with being a possible criminal - even though it lasted less than 2 hours... interesting....

I meant the cannabis community isn't talking about "smoking responsibly" and I think they should.

What is there to talk about - smoking responsibly ??? The news only needs one teenager each night to blow smoke at a camera and responsible just became laughable.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

You seem surprised.. We all knew the liberals weren't going to do this the right way. Tell me again how this is better them the immediate decrim the Ndp were running on? Liberals have no integrity never have.

I agree. But what the fuck evidence do we have about the NDP's actually DOING what they said? Much like ANY politician, it was simply to get votes, all talk, it NEVER would have happened overnight as the process takes longer than that on paper. Anyone who TRULY wholeheartedly believes otherwise is willfully ignorant to reality.

 

[Corso312]

I don't buy the higher traffic death theory in Colorado or Washington.. Its manipulating the stats and now they are testing every traffic accident with injuries for THC... They never did beforehand... Those stats are horseshit...

 

[Gmack420]

I agree. But what the fuck evidence do we have about the NDP's actually DOING what they said? Much like ANY politician, it was simply to get votes, all talk, it NEVER would have happened overnight as the process takes longer than that on paper. Anyone who TRULY wholeheartedly believes otherwise is willfully ignorant to reality.

I hear you but we already knew that both the liberals and cons were not the answer. I don't like what the Ndp have done with this last bullshit controversy in parliament. But I do believe they would have dropped possession from the crimainal code of Canada day one if they had won or atleast made the first steps to do so. It would have been done by now lol. Certainly it wouldn't be in the hands of a former cop who brought us the g20 controversy to come up with a plan, years from now for legalization all while the largest wave of mmj sales arrest are going down. Everyone that voted for jt because he promised legilization have fucked as all. We were better off with the cons! Less arrest and a mandate to force them to allow personal production for mmj patients.

 

[Gmack420]

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I don't buy the higher traffic death theory in Colorado or Washington.. Its manipulating the stats and now they are testing every traffic accident with injuries for THC... They never did beforehand... Those stats are horseshit...

Like I said detectable traces of thc do not equal impairment.

 

[JungleStrikeGuy]

I don't buy the higher traffic death theory in Colorado or Washington.. Its manipulating the stats and now they are testing every traffic accident with injuries for THC... They never did beforehand... Those stats are horseshit...

Yep. They didn't start specifically tracking drugged driving until 2014, and kept no records of specific mj involvement prior. Judicial files were grouped together under DUI headings whether they were alcohol or marijuana, and courts can't release details confirming what it was, so essentially they either have no data or useless data.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

Statistical data can very easily be manipulated to give any kind of outcome desired. More so if there is a severe lack of data going back years and years. "see guys! Nothing all these years and then legalization comes around and BAM, look at the 2014 data"

 

[Chef420]

Uh oh. Syd picked up the cup...

 

[Gquebed]

Toronto isn't Vancouver.

Close enough...

 

[Gquebed]

You guys are really missing the point. Now you're arguing that people aren't impaired when medicated. What's wrong with you? Can you not understand that your attitudes are exactly what frightens people?

Exactly. It is assnine claims like "I drive fine when im high," that completely undermine the legalization movement. I remember when i was 16 and ibused to say the same thing about booze and weed and it was utter bullshit then and it is now.

 

[Gquebed]

Cuz Toronto is utopia with no real problems right?



Kirk Tousaw
2 hrs · Twitter ·
One dispensary raid today conducted with officers from human trafficking division. Why does Mayor Tory think cannabis is worse than slavery?

More probably because they had a tip/complaint from somebody about a girl being bought for prostitution. Indicates gang activity...

 

[tiktak1297]

Everyone should stand up and go..

https://www.facebook.com/events/1705807873016909/?ti=cl

 

[Gmack420]

So what's the limit? When are you ok to drive and when not? How is that decided? Tell us you have all the answers.

Exactly. It is assnine claims like "I drive fine when im high," that completely undermine the legalization movement. I remember when i was 16 and ibused to say the same thing about booze and weed and it was utter bullshit then and it is now.

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