growing older seeds

[RM3]

Would not using enzymes from other seeds allow for weaker seeds to pop? And yes you did say IMO. Also are you saying that the paper towel method is better in the fact that it will allow seeds to germinate that otherwise would not if done the traditional way?

popping and standing are 2 different things, when ya lay the seed on top of the medium, it pops, then the tail (tap root) buries itself and then the baby stands up. Like I said tis awesome to watch, nature at its finest. Not all of em can do it, I cull 4 or 5 every time I put seeds down. So yes the paper towel method allows weak genetics to get mixed into grows

 

[Budley Doright]

popping and standing are 2 different things, when ya lay the seed on top of the medium, it pops, then the tail (tap root) buries itself and then the baby stands up. Like I said tis awesome to watch, nature at its finest. Not all of em can do it, I cull 4 or 5 every time I put seeds down. So yes the paper towel method allows weak genetics to get mixed into grows

Ok .... So you use extra enzyme and soak it to help the seed "pop" but the paper towel method to again "pop" is silly.... Having a hard time understanding your logic but that's ok, Also your popping seeds for a different purpose than the majority here, most just want their $10 seeds to grow, not to throw away 5 out of 6 because they deem them inferior. I don't think any way to germ seeds is silly IMO. Even the guy that taking off his shirt I would not call silly.....,well ok maybe a bit . But from what I'm getting out of this, your saying the paper towel method is more successful than traditional methods, but by being that, it does allow for weaker plants to germinate that would otherwise would not.

 

[RM3]

Ok .... So you use extra enzyme and soak it to help the seed "pop" but the paper towel method to again "pop" is silly.... Having a hard time understanding your logic but that's ok, Also your popping seeds for a different purpose than the majority here, most just want their $10 seeds to grow, not to throw away 5 out of 6 because they deem them inferior. I don't think any way to germ seeds is silly IMO. Even the guy that taking off his shirt I would not call silly.....,well ok maybe a bit . But from what I'm getting out of this, your saying the paper towel method is more successful than traditional methods, but by being that, it does allow for weaker plants to germinate that would otherwise would not.

you're spinin it a tad but basically yeah

 

[Budley Doright]

you're spinin it a tad but basically yeah

I know lol. Couldn't resist , you called me silly lol. All good .

 

[RM3]

I know lol. Couldn't resist , you called me silly lol. All good .

nope not callin "you" silly

 

[Dr. Who]

I did say In My Opinion I also very much disagree with the notion and use of fem'd seeds but that is just me. I do understand why these things happen, folks pay a high price for a seed they wanna make sure it pops. Whereas I wanna make sure the seed that pops is strong and has vigor, my method weeds out the weaklings which is important to my breeding program, if a bean can't stand on it's own it gets culled. Not only is it efective but also lots of fun to watch

Fem's have their place. My 2 cents.

Now I have to add Budley's post for the next part.

Would not using enzymes from other seeds allow for weaker seeds to pop? And yes you did say IMO. Also are you saying that the paper towel method is better in the fact that it will allow seeds to germinate that otherwise would not if done the traditional way?

The "other" seed enzyme booster trick was another my mom used on the farm! I doubt she new the reason it worked but, it did work - another of the tricks you do in soaking those pesky hard to pop beet seeds (she used bean seeds as the "helper"- always had plenty of bean seeds).
But as in Budley's theory. If I'm popping for breading, I don't do that trick for the same reason.....I fear a weak shall pass through.

Now if I'm popping really oldies for a quick yield run? Oh hell yeah, I have no problem going there. That's where that quick to seedling feed comes in as really important...

 

[Dr. Who]

Hmm, and I thought if that got brought up, the ridicule would begin......Maybe bringing up the use of Willow branch's to make a "rooting" enzyme liquid would not draw the trolls either?

 

[Budley Doright]

nope not callin "you" silly

Ok yes your right you called my method silly which because I'm a defensive kind of guy took it to mean me and all PT germinators lol. But again all good just having a conversation on this boring rainy day here, sticking up for all the PT's in the world.... Paper towel germinators unite . Perhaps a seperate thread is in order!!! Actually RM if I could with success, pop seeds in soil I would, 40 odd years and I still suck at it compared to PT .

 

[RM3]

Hmm, and I thought if that got brought up, the ridicule would begin......Maybe bringing up the use of Willow branch's to make a "rooting" enzyme liquid would not draw the trolls either?

Chlorine bleach works too

 

[Budley Doright]

Hmm, and I thought if that got brought up, the ridicule would begin......Maybe bringing up the use of Willow branch's to make a "rooting" enzyme liquid would not draw the trolls either?

I'm not saying the enzyme thing doesn't work or I would have called it silly . I've never tried it so have no clue, sounds plausible actually. And the willow, same with honey, does work . We used it right after we learned we could clone em and not have use air layering ..... Yes I'm that old .

 

[mauricem00]

"Never, one of the most silly aspects of black market growng IMO"

As much as I don't like the extra step of handling it seems to work better for me than just using soil/starters. Could be wrong and perhaps a side by is in order. But to say it's silly is well, I guess expected.

I have tried both methods and I get higher germination rate and faster sprouting with the paper towel method but we are all just experimenting and finding what works best for us. there is no one right way of growing medicine just as there is no one perfect strain for everyone.we are here to learn from each other. I have not mastered cloning yet so pay $7 a piece for feminized seeds so I want as many as possible to germinate.using direct to soil I have had seed germinate and then not sprout.as well as a lower germination rate. as a PU MMJ grower I make no profit from my plants so want to keep production cost to a minimum

 

[Wanna B. Wasted]

Well, well, this has turned into a fascinating conversation, (coming from a beginner's status). I have read all the posts at least twice and greatly appreciate ALL of the feedback.

So I am still experimenting with some slightly different methods, thanks to all of you. My personal theory is I have been drowning the poor little guys. Whether I leave it in a cup of too long or have the paper towel too wet.
Let it be said that I am using tap water and always at room temp, I fill my cup and let stand for 4-6 hours before I use it.

I have heard in the past that a seed can stay in a cup of water for up to 72 hours, I have done that and you can guess the result...death. But in that time, the seed did swell but did not open (that I could see anyway). I do think that is way too long to be in water, but I just had to know if it would make a difference. None the less, I have only seen 1 that actually popped thus far. When I do take them out they get set on a sopping wet PT, witch I now know is wrong, and now only keep it moist, but not dripping wet. Thus supporting my theory I am drowning them, my bad.

I also am experimenting with the straight soil method as well, I have started 2 this way, the first was just dropped into moist soil 1/2 inch deep and 1 ounce of water dribbled on top (after gently covering with soil) and the other 1 out of 3 got doped into water, but I only put the 1 that sank right away into the prepped soil. Planted same as first.

I have to do the hardest thing of all now and wait, but I have a new question for those who have a good success rate with the soak in water method, when you drop the seed in, should it sink right away, or float for a little while? I hope that question isn't like the chicken and the egg debate, but I get so few that will sink to the bottom right away, they do sink but takes up to 8 hours sometimes. Does that say anything for my predicament?

 

[Budley Doright]

Well, well, this has turned into a fascinating conversation, (coming from a beginner's status). I have read all the posts at least twice and greatly appreciate ALL of the feedback.

So I am still experimenting with some slightly different methods, thanks to all of you. My personal theory is I have been drowning the poor little guys. Whether I leave it in a cup of too long or have the paper towel too wet.
Let it be said that I am using tap water and always at room temp, I fill my cup and let stand for 4-6 hours before I use it.

I have heard in the past that a seed can stay in a cup of water for up to 72 hours, I have done that and you can guess the result...death. But in that time, the seed did swell but did not open (that I could see anyway). I do think that is way too long to be in water, but I just had to know if it would make a difference. None the less, I have only seen 1 that actually popped thus far. When I do take them out they get set on a sopping wet PT, witch I now know is wrong, and now only keep it moist, but not dripping wet. Thus supporting my theory I am drowning them, my bad.

I also am experimenting with the straight soil method as well, I have started 2 this way, the first was just dropped into moist soil 1/2 inch deep and 1 ounce of water dribbled on top (after gently covering with soil) and the other 1 out of 3 got doped into water, but I only put the 1 that sank right away into the prepped soil. Planted same as first.

I have to do the hardest thing of all now and wait, but I have a new question for those who have a good success rate with the soak in water method, when you drop the seed in, should it sink right away, or float for a little while? I hope that question isn't like the chicken and the egg debate, but I get so few that will sink to the bottom right away, they do sink but takes up to 8 hours sometimes. Does that say anything for my predicament?

I have never soaked my seeds but to be honest they have always been fresh I believe. I have had 100 % popping in the last few years but yes lost a few after that lol.

 

[mauricem00]

Well, well, this has turned into a fascinating conversation, (coming from a beginner's status). I have read all the posts at least twice and greatly appreciate ALL of the feedback.

So I am still experimenting with some slightly different methods, thanks to all of you. My personal theory is I have been drowning the poor little guys. Whether I leave it in a cup of too long or have the paper towel too wet.
Let it be said that I am using tap water and always at room temp, I fill my cup and let stand for 4-6 hours before I use it.

I have heard in the past that a seed can stay in a cup of water for up to 72 hours, I have done that and you can guess the result...death. But in that time, the seed did swell but did not open (that I could see anyway). I do think that is way too long to be in water, but I just had to know if it would make a difference. None the less, I have only seen 1 that actually popped thus far. When I do take them out they get set on a sopping wet PT, witch I now know is wrong, and now only keep it moist, but not dripping wet. Thus supporting my theory I am drowning them, my bad.

I also am experimenting with the straight soil method as well, I have started 2 this way, the first was just dropped into moist soil 1/2 inch deep and 1 ounce of water dribbled on top (after gently covering with soil) and the other 1 out of 3 got doped into water, but I only put the 1 that sank right away into the prepped soil. Planted same as first.

I have to do the hardest thing of all now and wait, but I have a new question for those who have a good success rate with the soak in water method, when you drop the seed in, should it sink right away, or float for a little while? I hope that question isn't like the chicken and the egg debate, but I get so few that will sink to the bottom right away, they do sink but takes up to 8 hours sometimes. Does that say anything for my predicament?

it always takes mine a few hours to sink. sometimes it took close to 24 hours for them to sink.some seed banks give away free mystery seeds with orders. I have several of these seeds from nirvana and I use them for experiments so that I can save my good seeds for proven growing methods.

 

[Indefinately]

Hey all,

After reading all the tips and tricks.
I Soaked 6 seed for 48 hours and have them in a paper towel now.

No ph'd water
Nothing special at all.
Just wait and see how we go.

None of them have popped yet.....

There 5-7 years old approximately.

First batch of seeds I'm starting to get back into the growing of some phresh green.

I have other seeds that I want to start up.
Just waiting to See how I go with these before I kick of with my favourites.
*Big bud
*Shiva skunk
*The Church ( feminised )

Let's hope these first ones pop soon so I can get the rest started.

Indefinately
" Let there be Green in 2016 "

 

[Dr. Who]

Well, well, this has turned into a fascinating conversation, (coming from a beginner's status). I have read all the posts at least twice and greatly appreciate ALL of the feedback.

So I am still experimenting with some slightly different methods, thanks to all of you. My personal theory is I have been drowning the poor little guys. Whether I leave it in a cup of too long or have the paper towel too wet.
Let it be said that I am using tap water and always at room temp, I fill my cup and let stand for 4-6 hours before I use it.

I have heard in the past that a seed can stay in a cup of water for up to 72 hours, I have done that and you can guess the result...death. But in that time, the seed did swell but did not open (that I could see anyway). I do think that is way too long to be in water, but I just had to know if it would make a difference. None the less, I have only seen 1 that actually popped thus far. When I do take them out they get set on a sopping wet PT, witch I now know is wrong, and now only keep it moist, but not dripping wet. Thus supporting my theory I am drowning them, my bad.

I also am experimenting with the straight soil method as well, I have started 2 this way, the first was just dropped into moist soil 1/2 inch deep and 1 ounce of water dribbled on top (after gently covering with soil) and the other 1 out of 3 got doped into water, but I only put the 1 that sank right away into the prepped soil. Planted same as first.

I have to do the hardest thing of all now and wait, but I have a new question for those who have a good success rate with the soak in water method, when you drop the seed in, should it sink right away, or float for a little while? I hope that question isn't like the chicken and the egg debate, but I get so few that will sink to the bottom right away, they do sink but takes up to 8 hours sometimes. Does that say anything for my predicament?

Perfect place for the H2o2! It makes a difference. PT should be wrung out = damp, not dripping and use the treated water!

 

[Big smo]

A lot of people mentioned heat mat temps. I picked up one of these awhile back and it works flawlessly. For the money you can't beat it,

 

[Larry {the} Gardener]

I'm on the 12 step program for popping old seeds.

Step 1: Soak your beans. Or black eyed peas, as the case may be.



Step 2: Dig out that old seed collection that you had gave up hope on.



Step 3: Make your selections: I picked Purple People Eater/99 {the loose seeds in the picture above}, The Last Supper, GG/9,10&11+8 and UK#1.



Step 4: Pour water from beans over seeds. If you use a small water bottle and put too many beans in it, don't open it in your truck. It may blow the lid off and waste about half of your water, not to mention getting wet beans every where. {no pictures of that epic adventure}

Step 5: Wait 24 hours.

More steps to come.

 

[Wanna B. Wasted]

Hey, I got good news this morning, one of my old boys finally popped!! These have been the freebee seeds I have been playing with but I am running out very fast, then I have my good ones but I would like to be more successful in my results before I use them. I forget what exactly what strain they are, the bag says Car and if memory serves it's Caramelo (not interested in that at this point just want them to grow) and I am still ok the fails I have had because I can learn from my mistakes. That is just the way it goes.

And the there was this one that popped, it came from a bag of grown bud that I bought years ago have no idea what it is, the sickliest, odd shaped, seed I have ever seen. Don't know how many time I shoved it aside thinking it will never grow but I just dropped in my moist soil, didn't let it dry out, didn't over water toady this is what I have.
Is it really that easy, lol.
Yes I probably do over think everything I am doing and want to get it out of the way now so I can be 98% successful in the future and with all the help you guys are willing to give, I will get there.

P.S these are 10 hours after surfacing.

 

[Big smo]

Wet a rapid rooter and drain out excess moisture. Place Rapid rooters directly in soil with the seed in it . Then take a clear plastic cup and cut a few holes in it and put it over the top of the rapid rooter and your done. I have had 100% success and never handle the taproot. There is no need for toilet paper, paper towel soaking in baby piss or even subscribing to cable just so you can stick them on top of your cable box. Gl