The Lost Art of Foliar Feeding

Flowki

Flowki

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Uncle Ben said:
How do you know that, because some sucker ad said so? Had it tested at a lab? Does the plant need supplemental hormones and if available would they interfere with its own natural hormonal processes or actually help?

You drank the cannabis rocket fuels kool-aid. It's human nature to see what you expect or want to see to justify your approach.

Here's the skinny on kelp for those who seek a sound professional approach: https://puyallup.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/seaweed-extracts.pdf

You're also contributing to screwing up a fragile eco system.

5) Marketing: “Manufacturers’ claims for the benefits of these products go beyond what is
substantiated by the research.” “The number of products now on the market seems to outnumber the
published papers.”

These researchers’ conclusions say it all – seaweed extracts are aggressively marketed with little regard
for objective, scientific research. There is a final concern never addressed, which is the justification for
large-scale removal of vegetation from one ecosystem (the marine kelp “forests”) for application to
another (terrestrial landscapes). The ecological impacts of increased seaweed harvesting are currently
under investigation and the possibility of significant ecosystem damage is real. There is no argument that
seaweed products are useful and valuable to humans for the reasons discussed earlier. However, given
that there are few documented benefits from applying seaweed extracts to plants, this is not a justifiable
nor sustainable practice. The marketing of such products as “earth friendly” in this context should be
repugnant to environmentally conscious consumers.
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Unless somebody has factual research to suggest otherwise it would certainly seem a horrible idea feeding a bad industry to use kelp on the ''chance'' a certain type ''may'' benefit.

Regardless of who is right. Is their any type of foliage feeding you would recommend UB?.
 
since1991

since1991

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Uncle Ben said:
How do you know that, because some sucker ad said so? Had it tested at a lab? Does the plant need supplemental hormones and if available would they interfere with its own natural hormonal processes or actually help?

You drank the cannabis rocket fuels kool-aid. It's human nature to see what you expect or want to see to justify your approach.

Here's the skinny on kelp for those who seek a sound professional approach: https://puyallup.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/seaweed-extracts.pdf

You're also contributing to screwing up a fragile eco system.

5) Marketing: “Manufacturers’ claims for the benefits of these products go beyond what is
substantiated by the research.” “The number of products now on the market seems to outnumber the
published papers.”

These researchers’ conclusions say it all – seaweed extracts are aggressively marketed with little regard
for objective, scientific research. There is a final concern never addressed, which is the justification for
large-scale removal of vegetation from one ecosystem (the marine kelp “forests”) for application to
another (terrestrial landscapes). The ecological impacts of increased seaweed harvesting are currently
under investigation and the possibility of significant ecosystem damage is real. There is no argument that
seaweed products are useful and valuable to humans for the reasons discussed earlier. However, given
that there are few documented benefits from applying seaweed extracts to plants, this is not a justifiable
nor sustainable practice. The marketing of such products as “earth friendly” in this context should be
repugnant to environmentally conscious consumers.
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Ive read that. Even showed it to my friends in Lansing. They laughed....i did too. Yeah...the extract iam using is loaded with cytokinins. It works for me. Ive been using seaweed for a very long time. You believe what you want...i will do the same. Dr. Scott has beeen proven to be full of shit. By Dr Morgan and Dr Resh..and several others. And another well respected scientist in the field said Dr. Scott was fired from the University of Washington for you guessed it....bad science. Iam not getting in a war over it. I know what my plants like. I didnt need to research or read anything to realize the benefits of kelp foliar applications. Its obvious as night and day. Have a good one.
 
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Flowki said:
Regardless of who is right. Is their any type of foliage feeding you would recommend UB?.
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For what purpose, what's your goal? "bigga and betta buds"? Though many do it at RIU cause they don't know what they're doing you just don't throw stuff at a plant and hope something sticks.
 
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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since1991 said:
IAnd another well respected scientist in the field said Dr. Scott was fired from the University of Washington for you guessed it....bad science. Iam not getting in a war over it. I know what my plants like. I didnt need to research or read anything to realize the benefits of kelp foliar applications. Its obvious as night and day. Have a good one.
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Bullshit. The division was/is a legal and political shitfest between a stubborn, bold and brilliant horticulturist and a tawdry university...... rift has nothing to do with science. Just cause you can't handle her message is no reason to spread lies. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/04/washington-state-extension-professor-says-shes-being-forced-out-over-unrealistic
http://gardenprofessors.com/

"Well respected? Who might that be, Hillary or perhaps Big John of Advanced Shysters?
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Uncle Ben said:
For what purpose, what's your goal? "bigga and betta buds"? Though many do it at RIU cause they don't know what they're doing you just don't throw stuff at a plant and hope something sticks.
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For what ever purpose you deem worth while. I'm asking you directly what you, if anything, use.
 
since1991

since1991

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Her message is bullshit...and i know why she is being fired. Iam sticking to with what works. And i dont lie. What the fuk does politicians have to do with it? Somebody drank rhe kool aid all right. And its not me.
 
since1991

since1991

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Dr. Scotts research results on compost teas are questionable at best also. Even one of the researchers said her studies and results with control in the greenhouse and lab were "seriously flawed".
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Flowki said:
For what ever purpose you deem worth while. I'm asking you directly what you, if anything, use.
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Like I said, I applied DG Foliage Pro to my vineyard only as a matter of convenience based on my time and equipment. I only use a foliar spray of nutrients for corrective purposes in general, mainly to apply micros which are tied up in my native soils. Cannabis grown in potting soil is different. If your plants are not getting the proper nutrition via their root system as God intended it then something is wrong regarding one's culture.

This thread and many like it are yet another gimmicky type thread where folks are looking for a trick, an easy way out, rather than spending hours learning plant nutrition and what makes a plant tick. Thread title - "Lost art of....." wreaks of some newbie or a typical child learning about what's been going down for centuries and discovering it for the first time. With every new crop of newbs........
 
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Flowki

Flowki

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Uncle Ben said:
Like I said, I applied DG Foliage Pro to my vineyard only as a matter of convenience based on my time and equipment. I only use a foliar spray of nutrients for corrective purposes in general, mainly to apply micros which are tied up in my native soils. Cannabis grown in potting soil is different. If your plants are not getting the proper nutrition via their root system as God intended it then something is wrong regarding one's culture.

This thread and many like it are yet another gimmicky type thread where folks are looking for a trick, an easy way out, rather than spending hours learning plant nutrition and what makes a plant tick. Thread title - "Lost art of....." wreaks of some newbie or a typical child learning about what's been going down for centuries and discovering it for the first time. With every new crop of newbs........
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I can appreciate the obvious that most if not all natural neut intake from plants is soil based. However I am also interested in a side part of foliage feeding. It rains on plants in nature, does that process in any way benefit the leaves?. Or, are the simply adapted to ''deal'' with that as a problem. In other words are they happier not getting rained on (routes aside).
 
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churchhaze

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Uncle Ben said:
This thread and many like it are yet another gimmicky type thread where folks are looking for a trick, an easy way out, rather than spending hours learning plant nutrition
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Have you seen all the amino acid threads popping up recently? All that crap is a distraction. Amino acid from a plants perspective is just some extra N that still needs to be broken down.

Good luck talking sense into them. It seems like RIU has been moving backwards recently.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Flowki said:
So is it worth the time at all indoor to use a very slight nitrate solution (perhaps a cal nitrate) to clean?.
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No.

Look, stop all the madness people and grow the plant like you would a tomato. They're both flowering tropical plants and have pretty much the same cultural requirements. It's just that easy. You go screwing around adding this and that and you're just complicating and confusing things.
 
Chicsgro2

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since1991 said:
Kelp extracts sprayed on the plant every week or so until 3 weeks into flower....very noticeable difference for me with it. I done side by sides several times. It is the hormones iam after. And kelp is LOADED with the hormones my crops like. I invite anyone that knows what they are doing and has a decent reliable and consistent variety and setup to try a kelp extract and fulvic acid spray (make sure to use a yucca based wetting agent - just a little bit per quart spray bottle) themselves once a week next to the same plant without. Go ahead and top and prune for bushy lateral growth but give one cutting the foliar hormone spray and the other with out. Then flip to flower as usual. Nothing different....same base nutrient feed...same everything....rite alongside each other under the lamps in the room...except the weekly foliar spray. Stop spraying about 3 weeks on the one (if you veg long...it will be obvious before then the effects of the foliar sprayed plant....WAY before the flip to flower). Then report your results here after chop...trim...dry ...cure...and weigh in. I have.....and its not even close.
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I am not a big foliar sprayer as I focus more on root health and that seems to promote overall nice leaf, bud, stem growth; however, kelp, FOR ME, is CRUCIAL to have in my garden. I have seen kelp revive 4 plants that I was literally going to toss, within 24 HOURS of its application. My girls get a kelp/biobizz watering once a week, and a jack's classic feeding once a week, ph'd plain water in between as needed. Nice healthy girls, every last one. Bottom line for ME, and clearly for "since1991", kelp works for roots, and I see now for foliar feeding as well. Toke and grow on good people:peace:
 
pinner420

pinner420

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churchhaze said:
Have you seen all the amino acid threads popping up recently? All that crap is a distraction. Amino acid from a plants perspective is just some extra N that still needs to be broken down.

Good luck talking sense into them. It seems like RIU has been moving backwards recently.
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I would advocate you try it 40 z plants say it best.
 
since1991

since1991

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pinner420 said:
I would advocate you try it 40 z plants say it best.
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Alot of people take Dr Linda Chalker Scotts "findings" as gospel and call it a day. Just like the foliar spraying bunch the other way. I say damn all of the reports and shit. Nitrozime and humic acid sprayed on my plants in veg makes a dramatic difference for me. Like i said. ...ive done side by sides and the results are VERY different. I could link studies from University researchers that totally contradict Dr. Scotts results. Big increases in yield...overall fruit ripeness...resistance to pests and diseases...shoot and terminal bud growth...a bunch of positive attributes. All in controlled greenhouse crops with kelp extract hormones. The internet is flooded with studies. They are usually from Universities and in PDF download format.
 
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