Nutes and Nugs
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What do ya think?
Should Britain leave the European Union?
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abe supercro
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Is it still up for vote?
Nutes and Nugs
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Why Britain Voted to Leave the EU
Countries band together to promote trade, defend human rights, protect the environment and repel threats. They sign treaties and join international groups, and each time they do, they agree to give up a bit of independence. That happened in a big way with the creation of the European Union, a free-trade zone and global political force forged from the fractious states of Europe. The question always was, could this extraordinary experiment hold together? Faced with the choice in a June 23 in-or-out referendum, the U.K. voted to leave the bloc it joined in 1973. The way many Brits saw it, the trade-offs no longer serve their interests; they prefer the idea of living outside the EU, as Norway and Switzerland do. They brushed aside the uncertainty that a breakup would cause and voted for what's become known as Brexit.
The Situation
Voters supported the split by a margin of 52 percent to 48 percent, joltingglobal financial markets and prompting Prime Minister David Cameron to say he'll resign by October. The referendum outcome defied bookmakers'odds and plunged the pound to its lowest level since 1985. The U.K. will havetwo years to negotiate the terms of its exit, with talks to unwind agreements in areas as diverse as fishing quotas, financial-services legislation and health and safety standards established over decades. It will also have to start negotiating its own trade deals with the rest of the world. Cameron said after the vote that it would not be right for him to be the “captain that steers the country to its next destination.” He had campaignedfor the U.K. to remain in the 28-nation bloc, arguing that a withdrawal would trigger a recession and a decade of uncertainty for jobs, trade and the broader economy. Many voters were convinced that leaving was the only way for Britain to control immigration, since the free movement of the bloc's citizens is a basic tenet of EU law. The campaigning had turned increasingly rancorous and was suspended for several days after Jo Cox, a pro-EU Labour Party lawmaker, was killed a week before the ballot. Cameron had pledged to hold the ballot amid defections to the anti-EU U.K. Independence Party in the 2015 general election. The vote may spur demands for a second referendum on Scotland leaving the U.K.
SOURCE: IPSOS MORI
The Background
The U.K. waited 16 years to join the European Economic Community after it was formed in 1957, and some people immediately argued that it should pull out. Before a U.K. referendum on the question in 1975, most politicians and newspapers reasoned that staying in was best for the economy, and it passed by a margin of 2-to-1. Prime Minister John Major’s government almost fell in 1993 when some of his party’s lawmakers voted against him over the signing of the Maastricht Treaty, which expanded cooperation and created the European Union. Euroskepticism kept Britain from adopting the single currency when it was launched in 1999. Naysayers later felt vindicated by the euro zone’s debt crisis. The bloc added eight eastern European countries in 2004, triggering a wave of immigration from those countries that strained public services. In England and Wales, the share of foreign-born residents swelled to 13.4 percent of the population by 2011, roughly double the level in 1991. In recent years, people have been lured from other EU states by Britain's economy, which had been growing at twice the pace of the euro zone. The U.K. is the second-biggest EU country by economic output and the third-largest by population, after Germany and France. There's still a queue of countries waiting to join the bloc.
The Argument
Proponents of Brexit capitalized on worries about excessive migration to the U.K., which overshadowed fears of the economic fallout of leaving the bloc. The EU is the country’s largest export market, and global companies may now leave the U.K. because it's unclear whether they will still be able to sell into the bloc without tariffs. The euroskeptics persuaded voters by arguing that the EU wants to grow into a super-state that impinges more on national sovereignty. They said that the U.K. has global clout without the EU — it has a permanent seat on the UN Security Council — and can negotiate better trade treaties without being held back by EU protectionists.
http://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/will-uk-leave-eu
Countries band together to promote trade, defend human rights, protect the environment and repel threats. They sign treaties and join international groups, and each time they do, they agree to give up a bit of independence. That happened in a big way with the creation of the European Union, a free-trade zone and global political force forged from the fractious states of Europe. The question always was, could this extraordinary experiment hold together? Faced with the choice in a June 23 in-or-out referendum, the U.K. voted to leave the bloc it joined in 1973. The way many Brits saw it, the trade-offs no longer serve their interests; they prefer the idea of living outside the EU, as Norway and Switzerland do. They brushed aside the uncertainty that a breakup would cause and voted for what's become known as Brexit.
The Situation
Voters supported the split by a margin of 52 percent to 48 percent, joltingglobal financial markets and prompting Prime Minister David Cameron to say he'll resign by October. The referendum outcome defied bookmakers'odds and plunged the pound to its lowest level since 1985. The U.K. will havetwo years to negotiate the terms of its exit, with talks to unwind agreements in areas as diverse as fishing quotas, financial-services legislation and health and safety standards established over decades. It will also have to start negotiating its own trade deals with the rest of the world. Cameron said after the vote that it would not be right for him to be the “captain that steers the country to its next destination.” He had campaignedfor the U.K. to remain in the 28-nation bloc, arguing that a withdrawal would trigger a recession and a decade of uncertainty for jobs, trade and the broader economy. Many voters were convinced that leaving was the only way for Britain to control immigration, since the free movement of the bloc's citizens is a basic tenet of EU law. The campaigning had turned increasingly rancorous and was suspended for several days after Jo Cox, a pro-EU Labour Party lawmaker, was killed a week before the ballot. Cameron had pledged to hold the ballot amid defections to the anti-EU U.K. Independence Party in the 2015 general election. The vote may spur demands for a second referendum on Scotland leaving the U.K.
SOURCE: IPSOS MORI
The Background
The U.K. waited 16 years to join the European Economic Community after it was formed in 1957, and some people immediately argued that it should pull out. Before a U.K. referendum on the question in 1975, most politicians and newspapers reasoned that staying in was best for the economy, and it passed by a margin of 2-to-1. Prime Minister John Major’s government almost fell in 1993 when some of his party’s lawmakers voted against him over the signing of the Maastricht Treaty, which expanded cooperation and created the European Union. Euroskepticism kept Britain from adopting the single currency when it was launched in 1999. Naysayers later felt vindicated by the euro zone’s debt crisis. The bloc added eight eastern European countries in 2004, triggering a wave of immigration from those countries that strained public services. In England and Wales, the share of foreign-born residents swelled to 13.4 percent of the population by 2011, roughly double the level in 1991. In recent years, people have been lured from other EU states by Britain's economy, which had been growing at twice the pace of the euro zone. The U.K. is the second-biggest EU country by economic output and the third-largest by population, after Germany and France. There's still a queue of countries waiting to join the bloc.
The Argument
Proponents of Brexit capitalized on worries about excessive migration to the U.K., which overshadowed fears of the economic fallout of leaving the bloc. The EU is the country’s largest export market, and global companies may now leave the U.K. because it's unclear whether they will still be able to sell into the bloc without tariffs. The euroskeptics persuaded voters by arguing that the EU wants to grow into a super-state that impinges more on national sovereignty. They said that the U.K. has global clout without the EU — it has a permanent seat on the UN Security Council — and can negotiate better trade treaties without being held back by EU protectionists.
http://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/will-uk-leave-eu
Nutes and Nugs
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I read something to the effect that it's still up for discussion.
Nutes and Nugs
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I never saw brown people involved other than being forced to accommodate more refugees.
UncleBuck
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i didn't notice the refugees wrecking their economy though. i did see a whole bunch of white people do that though.
Nutes and Nugs
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So white people should be eliminated?
DST
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1. Not everyone in the UK is white (including British born nationals). Like America, the UK has a diverse demographic.
2. The economy is not destroyed.......yet. And no one knows if it will be, or if it will improve.
Financial markets reaction has changed the value of the currency but it's a bit far fetched to break it down to white people and brown people and economies being destroyed.
2. The economy is not destroyed.......yet. And no one knows if it will be, or if it will improve.
Financial markets reaction has changed the value of the currency but it's a bit far fetched to break it down to white people and brown people and economies being destroyed.
UncleBuck
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when did i say that? are you overly sensitive after attending the "white genocide" meeting wit your klan buddies?
i just said that refugees didn't ruin britain's economy. xenophobic white people did.
DST
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I think the terms of the exit are still up for discussion. Although it seems European politicians want it to be done as quickly as possible.
DST
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I am not sure where that information has come from UB as voters where not asked to indicate or express a political alliegance. Nigel Farage certainly doesn't hold a majority of votes in the UK overall. The remain and leave camps where spread across all parties.l from what I saw.
Either way. Nigel Farage is a knob and it saddens me to see people in the UK following him.
Nutes and Nugs
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So half the vote was old white men?
Voters supported the split by a margin of 52 percent to 48 percent.
DST
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I doubt UKIP will be the next governing party so I would still disagree that it was their supporters that provided the majority of leave votes. Either way. It's not as simple as just black and white, it's more of a nationalist rhetoric. Most European countries that are not in the EU and that a lot of British people seem to fear coming into the UK to take their jobs are not brown/black (or of Asian or African background)....they are European. One of the largest groups of migrants into the UK are Polish....and they are as white as you can get.
abandonconflict
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UncleBuck
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yeah, the nationalism is kinda scary. and no, UKIP does not have that large of a command. but you can't convince me that the leave vote was more diverse than (or even close to as diverse as) the stay vote, or that racism along with nationalism wasn't a motivating factor for many of the leave voters.
DST
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There is definitely a movement that is veering back to the bad old days of pushing dog shit through Asian families letter boxes.....disgusting to see it happening.
I found it hilarious that Google reported a mass upsurge in the search string "what is the EU" coming from UK IP addresses. I think the Older generation have really pulled another coup on their offspring...as if nicking pensions off us was not bad enough.....fukking baby boomers
Edit. And just to be clear. The report from Google was carried out after the vote was announced....scary shit.