EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[Padawanbater2]

I share similar beliefs with several of you guys, I'm also noticing that there seems to be almost a 'Justice League' dynamic among Hillary and Bernie supporters/apologists, heh.
Many of us share similar views and general goals/ideals, but can't quite seem to fully mesh....Superman can't get on with Batman 100% for various, Green Lantern (Hal) is a good dude but out of touch with the times, Aquaman is a bit of a loner with a complex, Wonder Woman and Bruce have a 'history', etc.etc..


That's what makes the world go 'round, though, I suppose...

Campaign finance reform is my #1 issue since it's an umbrella issue, it affects everything else. Unless a politician supports the necessary changes that need to be made, doesn't matter who the boogie man is in red, I can't support them. I have that luxury since I live in a deeply blue state. I can see how someone might feel differently if they lived in Florida or Ohio for example

 

[Fogdog]

I share similar beliefs with several of you guys, I'm also noticing that there seems to be almost a 'Justice League' dynamic among Hillary and Bernie supporters/apologists, heh.
Many of us share similar views and general goals/ideals, but can't quite seem to fully mesh....Superman can't get on with Batman 100% for various, Green Lantern (Hal) is a good dude but out of touch with the times, Aquaman is a bit of a loner with a complex, Wonder Woman and Bruce have a 'history', etc.etc..


That's what makes the world go 'round, though, I suppose...

I got bored talking to Flaming Pie and the rest of the right wingers can barely carry out a conversation. I find this discussion different. At least I'm talking to people who know something and are smart. We disagree on very little, so a kerfluffle every now and then is OK, at least that's what I think.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Oh come now. Are you really saying that Trump has no racist policies and is not a racist? That his attack on the Trump U judge was not overt racism? That the wall is not a racist idea? That his wanting to ban immigration of Muslims isn't bigotry? That a racist president will be able to act fairly when policies affect people of color?

No, I'd say all of that stems from pandering to the racist vocal minority, one of his last overwhelmingly supportive demographics that remains. I seriously doubt the assumption that he would ever be able to get anything passed that would marginalize minorities and hispanics as that would require either the supreme court or congress, both of which are either openly against these views or have already established precedent in past hearings or adoptions of legislation.

The idea that the mainly white Bernie babies will be unaffected by Trump's racist policies, so totally not bullshit. I can understand why you wouldn't like this to be pointed out to you. Nonetheless, it's true that you wouldn't be affected by Trump's racist attitudes. Unlike Latinos, you have no reason to be concerned for your own safety, family members or economic prospects if Trump makes it into the WH. I can't speak for you but will say that the number of Bernie babies who would let Trump win in a close election would be a much smaller number if his rhetoric menaced educated young white people. Because people can be counted upon to vote in their own self interest.

You're saying that white people, like me, would be more inclined to vote for Clinton if we were black or hispanic because they have more to lose - in regards to safety, family and economic prospects - than white people

No, again, I'd say there are two main assumptions here: 1. you're assuming Trump would be able to get any policy that would marginalize minorities or hispanics passed and 2. that Trumps economic policies are negatively directed towards minorities and hispanics

Since I've already explained 1, I'll skip to 2. his economic plan calls for eliminating income taxes for the very bottom and drastically reducing income taxes for those at the very top; Reaganomics.. this hurts poor people, black, white, red, green, purple... poor. So white and black people who are poor have the same amount to lose in regards to his economic policy.

Polling data show that people of color strongly dislike Trump, to the tune of 90%. If not for Trump's racist rhetoric, what would you say explains this? Do you think Trump's menacing statements towards minorities have nothing to do with that?

Most likely the pandering to the NitroHarleys and desertdudes of America

So black people hate Trump, OK, so that means that if I don't support the other candidate, I don't care about black people? What are you trying to say with this point?

Poor people don't like Clinton, does that mean if you don't support Sanders, you don't care about poor people? That's retarded

 

[londonfog]

All of his numbers added up. Sanders plan was endorsed by economic nobel laureates. Most economists agree it would have helped poor people, but hey, I guess since you're not poor and it won't affect you too much, it doesn't really matter..

If black people disapprove of Trump, and I don't support Clinton, that means I don't care about black people's problems right? So let's use the same logic..

If poor people disapprove of Clinton, and you don't support Sanders, that means you don't care about poor people's problems, too, right?

link to graph please

 

[Padawanbater2]

link to graph please

http://usuncut.com/news/bernie-sanders-just-delivered-his-political-revolution-in-new-hampshire/

 

[londonfog]

Campaign finance reform is my #1 issue since it's an umbrella issue, it affects everything else. Unless a politician supports the necessary changes that need to be made, doesn't matter who the boogie man is in red, I can't support them. I have that luxury since I live in a deeply blue state. I can see how someone might feel differently if they lived in Florida or Ohio for example

Of all the things in the world Campaign reform is your number one concern ? really

 

[londonfog]

http://usuncut.com/news/bernie-sanders-just-delivered-his-political-revolution-in-new-hampshire/

A graph from the state of New Hampshire. Show me something nationwide.

 

[Corso312]

I like somethings Bernie said. He lost me on his tax plan and his numbers for how he was going to pay for shit.
Johnson does not have a chance in hell.

How is Hillary going to pay for her wars?

 

[londonfog]

How is Hillary going to pay for her wars?

let me know when she has a war and I will tell you.

 

[Corso312]

If the ACA turns out to be as big a failure as the 94 crime bill or the invasion of Iraq, I would certainly hope you would fault her for her support of it

Iraq has gotta be the biggest blunder in American history..I'm with ya on getting money out of politics, nothing will change unless we start at the top with campaign finance reform and tackle corruption.

 

[londonfog]

Iraq has gotta be the biggest blunder in American history..I'm with ya on getting money out of politics, nothing will change unless we start at the top with campaign finance reform and tackle corruption.

One thing Bernie and Trump have in common. They both speak campaign finance and how much they don't want it, whilst taking money.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Of all the things in the world Campaign reform is your number one concern ? really

"since it's an umbrella issue, it affects everything else."

 

[Padawanbater2]

One thing Bernie and Trump have in common. They both speak campaign finance and how much they don't want it, whilst taking money.

 

[Fogdog]

No, I'd say all of that stems from pandering to the racist vocal minority, one of his last overwhelmingly supportive demographics that remains. I seriously doubt the assumption that he would ever be able to get anything passed that would marginalize minorities and hispanics as that would require either the supreme court or congress, both of which are either openly against these views or have already established precedent in past hearings or adoptions of legislation.

You're saying that white people, like me, would be more inclined to vote for Clinton if we were black or hispanic because they have more to lose - in regards to safety, family and economic prospects - than white people

No, again, I'd say there are two main assumptions here: 1. you're assuming Trump would be able to get any policy that would marginalize minorities or hispanics passed and 2. that Trumps economic policies are negatively directed towards minorities and hispanics

Since I've already explained 1, I'll skip to 2. his economic plan calls for eliminating income taxes for the very bottom and drastically reducing income taxes for those at the very top; Reaganomics.. this hurts poor people, black, white, red, green, purple... poor. So white and black people who are poor have the same amount to lose in regards to his economic policy.

Most likely the pandering to the NitroHarleys and desertdudes of America

So black people hate Trump, OK, so that means that if I don't support the other candidate, I don't care about black people? What are you trying to say with this point?

Poor people don't like Clinton, does that mean if you don't support Sanders, you don't care about poor people? That's retarded

I am saying that you are white and not threatened by Trump's racist attitudes. So you are free to be high minded about not voting for Hillary. This kind of disregard for an affected minority by the majority has a long history and should not be a radical idea to you.

Poor black and Latino voters like Hillary, by the way. It's white lower income people who are Trump's base.

You say that Trump couldn't get any policies passed through a hostile congress. This assumes he has a hostile congress. This may not necessarily be so. As we saw during the Bush years, when the left stays on the sidelines, the right dominate politics. That said, a president has quite a bit authority to affect the actions of the people under him and many policies can be realized without the action of congress. Even blatant illegal actions take a while to stop. The notorious signing statements where Bush added or deleted portions of laws enacted by congress when signing them into law is another example of presidential power that doesn't require consent of anybody.

This election does matter. It's completely your choice what to do or not do. I'm just a bit tired of all this high mindedness about voting as an act of morality. So just throw that vote away on principle, I guess. I'm saying that it does matter who occupies the WH. There are two very flawed people to choose from and one is an overt racist and bigot.

 

[Corso312]

Hillary would clutch her Gucci purse and cross the street if one of the poor black or Hispanic voters was walking her way...she don't give a fuck about poor people..she's just not as stupid as Trump to convey it. ..but actions speak louder than words..

 

[Padawanbater2]

I am saying that you are white and not threatened by Trump's racist attitudes. So you are free to be high minded about not voting for Hillary. This kind of disregard for an affected minority by the majority has a long history and should not be a radical idea to you.

Poor black and Latino voters like Hillary, by the way. It's white lower income people who are Trump's base.

You say that Trump couldn't get any policies passed through a hostile congress. This assumes he has a hostile congress. This may not necessarily be so. As we saw during the Bush years, when the left stays on the sidelines, the right dominate politics. That said, a president has quite a bit authority to affect the actions of the people under him and many policies can be realized without the action of congress. Even blatant illegal actions take a while to stop. The notorious signing statements where Bush added or deleted portions of laws enacted by congress when signing them into law is another example of presidential power that doesn't require consent of anybody.

This election does matter. It's completely your choice what to do or not do. I'm just a bit tired of all this high mindedness about voting as an act of morality. So just throw that vote away on principle, I guess. I'm saying that it does matter who occupies the WH. There are two very flawed people to choose from and one is an overt racist and bigot.

Well then I guess the democratic party should have selected someone more worthy of my vote. If they expect to select a shitty candidate that doesn't represent my interests, why should I care if a shitty candidate wins that doesn't represent their interests?

You don't get to condemn me for it then do the exact same thing in an attempt to shame me into voting for the candidate you feel would be better

 

[schuylaar]

Well then I guess the democratic party should have selected someone more worthy of my vote. If they expect to select a shitty candidate that doesn't represent my interests, why should I care if a shitty candidate wins that doesn't represent their interests?

You don't get to condemn me for it then do the exact same thing in an attempt to shame me into voting for the candidate you feel would be better

Precisely

 

[schuylaar]

Those who complain that a vote for anyone but Shillary is a vote for Chump disregard my constitutional right to vote for whom I choose. You're one of them.

This isn't fantasy football. It's not about voting for the most likely winner; it's about voting for the most likely to do me some good in DC.

+rep

 

[Fogdog]

Well then I guess the democratic party should have selected someone more worthy of my vote. If they expect to select a shitty candidate that doesn't represent my interests, why should I care if a shitty candidate wins that doesn't represent their interests?

You don't get to condemn me for it then do the exact same thing in an attempt to shame me into voting for the candidate you feel would be better

Yep, more high minded talk. First world kind of issues and problems. "They didn't select who I want, so I'm just going to stay home."

I'm not condemning you, I merely point out that Trump's overt racism won't affect you and that the people who would be affected are not nearly as blase about Trump. People can be counted upon to vote in their own self interest.

 

[bluntmassa1]

All of his numbers added up. Sanders plan was endorsed by economic nobel laureates. Most economists agree it would have helped poor people, but hey, I guess since you're not poor and it won't affect you too much, it doesn't really matter..

If black people disapprove of Trump, and I don't support Clinton, that means I don't care about black people's problems right? So let's use the same logic..

If poor people disapprove of Clinton, and you don't support Sanders, that means you don't care about poor people's problems, too, right?

That's just racist!! I've seen several black people say they where going to vote for Trump so if I vote Trump black people don't have shit to say. Liberal bitches that just so happen to be black can talk shit though.