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[Padawanbater2]

Because 2016 being hotter than any previous recorded year in the last 200 years proves absolutely nothing except that the surface temperature is warmer than we have ever recorded it before. That is all it means. It is simply a point of data.

I have shown you geological data spanning hundreds of thousands of years indicating that at numerous times in this planets existence it has been hotter than it is now. And all of those times were before humans so you cant blame us.

So yes, according to some data it is getting warmer but it has been warmer in the past and colder in the past.

And I have repeatedly explained to you that if it gets cooler we end up in an ice age which is arguably much more dire than 3" of water level rise over a hundred years.

Figure 3. Data from ice cores have been used to reconstruct Antarctic temperatures and atmospheric CO2 concentrations over the past 800,000 years. Temperature is based on measurements of the isotopic content of water in the Dome C ice core. CO2 is measured in air trapped in ice, and is a composite of the Dome C and Vostok ice core. The current CO2 concentration (blue star) is from atmospheric measurements. The cyclical pattern of temperature variations constitutes the ice age/ interglacial cycles. During these cycles, changes in CO2 concentrations (in blue) track closely with changes in temperature (in red). As the record shows, the recent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration is unprecedented in the past 800,000 years. Source: Figure by Jeremy Shakun, data from Lüthi et al., 2008 and Jouzel et al., 2007.

No one is arguing the climate was ever in a "steady state". Climate DOES go up and down. But now we are causing it to go up much much too fast. How is that logic hard to grasp?

He won't address that, I've asked him before to address the rate of change compared to the other known natural cycles and all I ever get is crickets. There is no known natural geological force that can account for the rate of change seen between pre-industrial revolution and today

 

[Ace Yonder]

97% of the scientists agreed that mankind had an effect on warming. That was where the agreement ended.

No, actually the agreement continues that mankind HAS (not "had") an effect, and that mankind needs to undertake drastic changes to change that. Just because you don't understand what scientists think does not mean that you are correct in your assumptions. You are wrong on nearly every level. Spend some honest time researching, not just cherry picking the data you like, and see where it gets you. You think it would be crazy to believe 97% of scientists IF they said gravity was non-existent, but that is a flawed comparison. Gravity exists, and all scientists agree on that, just like they agree on climate change. What you are doing is equivalent to believing a freak 3% of scientists who believe gravity is non-existent, in direct opposition to the vast majority of scientists and the measurable, observable data. You think it is crazy to believe 97% of scientists, yet you blindly put faith in what a tiny fraction of that number believes because it is more convenient for you. I have no respect for you, and no respect for your ability to interpret what scientists say or to judge the validity thereof.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, actually the agreement continues that mankind HAS (not "had") an effect, and that mankind needs to undertake drastic changes to change that. Just because you don't understand what scientists think does not mean that you are correct in your assumptions. You are wrong on nearly every level. Spend some honest time researching, not just cherry picking the data you like, and see where it gets you. You think it would be crazy to believe 97% of scientists IF they said gravity was non-existent, but that is a flawed comparison. Gravity exists, and all scientists agree on that, just like they agree on climate change. What you are doing is equivalent to believing a freak 3% of scientists who believe gravity is non-existent, in direct opposition to the vast majority of scientists and the measurable, observable data. You think it is crazy to believe 97% of scientists, yet you blindly put faith in what a tiny fraction of that number believes because it is more convenient for you. I have no respect for you, and no respect for your ability to interpret what scientists say or to judge the validity thereof.

ask him if forest fires cause global cooling and watch him freak out completely.

 

[ttystikk]

ask him if forest fires cause global cooling and watch him freak out completely.

Well, volcanoes do. So we should throw ourselves a nice big fat Pinatubo every 5 years or a Mt St Helens every 24 months.

Nothing wrong with THAT strategy, huh?

 

[NLXSK1]

No, actually the agreement continues that mankind HAS (not "had") an effect, and that mankind needs to undertake drastic changes to change that. Just because you don't understand what scientists think does not mean that you are correct in your assumptions. You are wrong on nearly every level. Spend some honest time researching, not just cherry picking the data you like, and see where it gets you. You think it would be crazy to believe 97% of scientists IF they said gravity was non-existent, but that is a flawed comparison. Gravity exists, and all scientists agree on that, just like they agree on climate change. What you are doing is equivalent to believing a freak 3% of scientists who believe gravity is non-existent, in direct opposition to the vast majority of scientists and the measurable, observable data. You think it is crazy to believe 97% of scientists, yet you blindly put faith in what a tiny fraction of that number believes because it is more convenient for you. I have no respect for you, and no respect for your ability to interpret what scientists say or to judge the validity thereof.

We dont have enough data and a control group to prove how much mankind is affecting global warming.

97% of scientists do not agree on the degree we are having an effect nor what to do about it.

I have researched it and again, because we dont have enough data we cannot prove shit.

My point is and always has been that we need to be researching ways to adapt to a changing climate because that is obviously the world we live on rather than attempting to stop nature from happening which is fucking crazy....

 

[panhead]

If climate change needs addressing asap the solution is simple , just get Saudi to pay a few hundred million to Hillary Clinton & shit will be happening immediately .

 

[CrocodileStunter]

ask him if forest fires cause global cooling and watch him freak out completely.

droplets of water cause forest fires.

 

[UncleBuck]

droplets of water cause forest fires.

true.

If climate change needs addressing asap the solution is simple , just get Saudi to pay a few hundred million to Hillary Clinton & shit will be happening immediately .

i'm gonna laugh so hard when trump gets elected and deports your terrorist family back to afghanistan.

 

[Ace Yonder]

We dont have enough data and a control group to prove how much mankind is affecting global warming.

97% of scientists do not agree on the degree we are having an effect nor what to do about it.

I have researched it and again, because we dont have enough data we cannot prove shit.

My point is and always has been that we need to be researching ways to adapt to a changing climate because that is obviously the world we live on rather than attempting to stop nature from happening which is fucking crazy....

No one is trying to stop nature from happening. We are trying to explain that the way you "adapt" to climate change is to do everything in your power to avoid hastening it. If you were developing cirrhosis of the liver, would you stop drinking? Or would you say that because alcohol isn't the ONLY thing causing damage to your liver you might as well just keep on drinking, hell why not drink more, since you're already headed down that path? We all die some day, right? There's gonna be a new ice age eventually, why not make it really fucking soon rather than later?

 

[Fogdog]

We dont have enough data and a control group to prove how much mankind is affecting global warming.

97% of scientists do not agree on the degree we are having an effect nor what to do about it.

I have researched it and again, because we dont have enough data we cannot prove shit.

My point is and always has been that we need to be researching ways to adapt to a changing climate because that is obviously the world we live on rather than attempting to stop nature from happening which is fucking crazy....

So, your research, was it a trip around the web with intense sessions on Fox news? Or did you go to school and take about 12 years of study including physics, math, computer science, chemistry, get a phd and then work professionally for about 15 years like a NASA climate scientist does? Because if you did the former, it wasn't research.

So, a pool cleaner and building inspector with what? A couple of years at JC? Dude, you were drooling over @Heckler 's phony equations when I busted him and discredited his attempt at bullshit. He was just presenting Sophmore level physics and inserted some completely made up assumptions into them. I pointed that out, pretty much showing him where his disagreement with classical work by Arrhenius was false and basically shredded him. He left the site and never came back. You said this to his attempt to snow me with bullshit:

I wish I could like this one twice!!!

Your are a dolt, NLX, and not capable of understanding anything about this subject. This goes for every climate science denier on this site.

 

[Fogdog]

If climate change needs addressing asap the solution is simple , just get Saudi to pay a few hundred million to Hillary Clinton & shit will be happening immediately .

Absolutely hilarious.

 

[Ace Yonder]

If climate change needs addressing asap the solution is simple , just get Saudi to pay a few hundred million to Hillary Clinton & shit will be happening immediately .

At least you're admitting Hillary is the candidate who can actually get shit done. "Hillary 2016: Shit will be happening immediately" is a pretty catchy slogan.

 

[Fogdog]

This pretty much says it all, post by paddy in Feb this year:

Do you understand the denial of the greenhouse effect is on par with the denial of gravity, the theory of evolution, the moon landings, ect.?

 

[potroastV2]

The dinosaur skeletons that we have found had saddles on them.

Because humans rode them!

 

[UncleBuck]

you were drooling over @Heckler 's phony equations when I busted him and discredited his attempt at bullshit. He was just presenting Sophmore level physics and inserted some completely made up assumptions into them. I pointed that out, pretty much showing him where his disagreement with classical work by Arrhenius was false and basically shredded him. He left the site and never came back.

yeah, that was pretty wicked. getting someone to leave forever in embarrassment is the gold standard here.

 

[Fogdog]

yeah, that was pretty wicked. getting someone to leave forever in embarrassment is the gold standard here.

I don't know exactly why Heckler left but his last post came during the discussion where I tore him up. Heckler was injecting fake numbers into his calculations but he hid them inside mumbo-jumbo and patronizing insults. Just like so-called experts that right wingers rely on to deceive and cast doubt on the really good work being done at NASA and other climate science centers.

 

[potroastV2]

Maybe he was a paid climate-denier Shill.



I regularly consider that some of the members here must be paid for posting misinformation, because the crap they spew is too opposite of anything intelligent.

 

[Fogdog]

Maybe he was a paid climate-denier Shill.



I regularly consider that some of the members here must be paid for posting misinformation, because the crap they spew is too opposite of anything intelligent.

The thought occurred to me. Social media is a new tool for swaying opinion. But there are too many slick graphics with cherry picked data to seed doubt available for a shill. Putting a lie down in a simple physics equation was undeniable later on when he was called out. It wasn't very smart. And Heckler was many things but he has much more going for him than @NLXSK1 who we all know moves his lips when reading.

 

[NLXSK1]

The thought occurred to me. Social media is a new tool for swaying opinion. But there are too many slick graphics with cherry picked data to seed doubt available for a shill. Putting a lie down in a simple physics equation was later undeniable. It wasn't very smart. And Heckler was many things but he has much more going for him than @NLXSK1 who we all know moves his lips when reading.

Usually my lips say ... 'what a dumbass' when reading your posts.

 

[Fogdog]

Usually my lips say ... 'what a dumbass' when reading your posts.

yeah sure dumbass. So tell me, why does the earth have polar ice caps? Don't cheat and google it. Say it in your own words.