Gavita Sold To Hawthorne Group

[8thGenFarmer]

Your a legend in your own mind. Methane is a worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide,only good thing about it is it has a shorter life span in the atmosphere.

My uncle builds methane generators at Dairies. They run off the methane from the cow shit which is stored in big vats outside, methane otherwise sneaks up and into the atmoshphere. I believe it's a win win. Free electric for farms, less pollution for all of us. That being said there isn't enough readily available shit.

 

[captainmorgan]

Nice dismissive attitude. If you refuse to educate yourself about a given subject, no one suffers more than you.

There you go again,do you have keyboard tourette?

 

[captainmorgan]

My uncle builds methane generators at Dairies. They run off the methane from the cow shit which is stored in big vats outside, methane otherwise sneaks up and into the atmoshphere. I believe it's a win win. Free electric for farms, less pollution for all of us. That being said there isn't enough readily available shit.

Yes that's all well and good and if you already have a situation like a dairy or pig farm it's a good use of what you have and good for the environment but it won't solve large scale problems,same with capturing methane from land fills. I use to work on a dairy farm as a kid during the summers and it's quite a smelly problem too.

 

[8thGenFarmer]

Problem is that the large corporations have the money to spread their lies and scare the public,against what,a small environmental group that has to beg for small donations,it's not a fair fight. I remember when I was a kid the news was just that the news. They would tell you the news and sometimes they had something they called a "Editorial Viewpoint" and by law they had to offer the same amount of TV time to the other side of the argument,naturally that law was abolished.Now it's giant corporations with agendas calling what they put out as news and no real rebuttals.

The fairness doctrine was also a way to appear fair by pretending the only points of view are republican and democrat. You want a 30 percent corporate rate or a 33? They never gave us a real diversity of thought, a narrow spectrum of difference masquerading as real options. agreed the media are shills. I'm hoping that the rise of free media, like we use now, or young Turks, or info wars there is certainly non corporate media to be had.

Ever watch pbs? They are completely non corporate, supposedly the least corrupt media on the airwaves and yet, I'd say they are very establishment biased. They Loove themselves some Hillary, and she's a bush in a pantsuit.

 

[The Dawg]

 

[captainmorgan]

The fairness doctrine was also a way to appear fair by pretending the only points of view are republican and democrat. You want a 30 percent corporate rate or a 33? They never gave us a real diversity of thought, a narrow spectrum of difference masquerading as real options. agreed the media are shills. I'm hoping that the rise of free media, like we use now, or young Turks, or info wars there is certainly non corporate media to be had.

Ever watch pbs? They are completely non corporate, supposedly the least corrupt media on the airwaves and yet, I'd say they are very establishment biased. They Loove themselves some Hillary, and she's a bush in a pantsuit.

I'm a huge PBS fan and have watched it since I was a kid. The news is just propaganda now,I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 600 different Corps controlled the majority of the media in this country and now it's more like 6. I used to love the National Geographic channel but it was recently taken over by Roger Ailes so I won't watch it any more. Your right about politicians,they are all corrupt and just serve their masters and not the people.

 

[8thGenFarmer]

I'm a huge PBS fan and have watched it since I was a kid. The news is just propaganda now,I don't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 600 different Corps controlled the majority of the media in this country and now it's more like 6. I used to love the National Geographic channel but it was recently taken over by Roger Ailes so I won't watch it any more. Your right about politicians,they are all corrupt and just serve their masters and not the people.

They serve the people that put em in office, their donors
I'd be pretty mad if I gave someone a million dollars and they DIDNT do what I wanted.

 

[captainmorgan]

They serve the people that put em in office, their donors
I'd be pretty mad if I gave someone a million dollars and they DIDNT do what I wanted.

That's a huge problem,climate change is probably the biggest problem we have but it probably won't be fixed without campaign finance reform and getting rid of Citizens United and anything like it. It almost seems hopeless,they don't even try to hide the corruption anymore,they seem to know there is nothing we can do about it,they and their corporate masters write all the laws.

 

[8thGenFarmer]

That's a huge problem,climate change is probably the biggest problem we have but it probably won't be fixed without campaign finance reform and getting rid of Citizens United and anything like it. It almost seems hopeless,they don't even try to hide the corruption anymore,they seem to know there is nothing we can do about it,they and their corporate masters write all the laws.

I'm much more a pessimist about that. I've been to China and India, I don't see either country giving up fossil fuels for a hundred years. And since their population combined is almost 8x what ours is, what we change won't matter as much. We should lead by example, but I'd prepare for prehistoric warmth.

China still building a coal power plant every week, and adding millions of new drivers every year. India they still drive two strokes! No emission standards at all yet. Then there are the one billion plus in Africa living in poverty still, they'd burn a Rembrandt to get heat let alone coal.
I live near the beech, but at 500ft above sea level just in case

 

[captainmorgan]

Most people don't have a clue because they watch TV for their news and information. I love how most people think the Arab Spring was about Arabs yearning for democracy,that's what the media was pushing. In fact it was all about climate change. Russia had a severe drought and wild fires that decimated their grain crops and they banned export,Egypt's food staple is bread and without Russia grain the prices spiked and there were bread riots in the middle east,that was the start of the arab spring.

 

[captainmorgan]

People also believe the mass migration from Syria and the surrounding area is all about fleeing the war. In fact Syria is in the worst drought in at least 900 years,people are starving and that is a leading cause.

 

[coughphee.connoiseur]

guys, please... first of all Scotts is not Monsanto. Neither does Monsanto own Scotts. HGC is a subsidiary of Scotts. HGC took a 75% interest in Gavita. Scotts merely has the marketing rights for roundup in the gardening market. There is no involvement of Monsanto whatsoever. To say Monsanto owns Gavita is like saying Apple owns Microsoft. That is simply not true.

Furthermore: We did not need HGC just for the money. We are a very healthy organisation with a TO in excess of 100 million USD with double digit grow figures, so big money is not the issue either . However, we have grown really fast over the last few years and being part of a group of A-brands opens some doors a lot quicker, helps us to enter markets faster and enables us to expedite our development programs a lot faster. Also, it helps structuring our company a lot faster as we are still growing very fast and need to localize our business. This will result in more local service and support for our horticultural customers, but also for our retailers and end users world wide.

25% of the shares are still in the hands of the Dutch management and they will remain at the helm, which is logical as HGC nor Scotts have a background in horticultural lighting. So we see only very positive developments as we will be able to have a faster time to market and even better products with better support.

As for Jair: Why would we want to get rid of Jair? Jair is responsible for our US sales and he is a shareholder. It would be really stupid to get rid of Jair If we ever wanted to get rid of Jair there would be much easier methods than to partner up with HGC don't you think? Come on guys, less testosterone, more common sense

WHOA bro i thought you vanished from the forums, good too see your still around. I been hunting and asking for advice on my gavitas for some time now I've searched forums all year round and hadn't seen anything knew from you.

 

[whitebb2727]

I believe that patenting of plants is only currently allowed for Gmo, because they cost so much to produce. Breeders rights work very much like patents do anyway, with a different name and an exemption for national interest and an expiration, but even by saying you only want breeders rights not patents, the result is the same. If you plant someone else's work without compensation they may take you to court. I Believe that principle is important.

Breeders deserve pay much like farmers. I'm not a seed commie but a seed capitalist I guess. Breeders rights currently gives you possession legally of all tissue culture and seeds developed through a breeding process.

All I know is this, people who plant tomatoes tend to love big ag products. They make a lot of tomatoes through the season, and they tailor them to our fields. We have to buy new seed every season, we don't replant our own seed. We still make more money and food then if we used the seeds available before big Ag. We aren't poor farmers with no other choice we make it willingly.

Our farm can't breed like they can, we are pollen checkers in comparison. Appreciate the discussion!

Yea fine and dandy but what if some asshole is growing GMO and pollutes my genetics with something I didn't want and the Monsanto sue me into bankruptcy.

They do it all the time.

 

[ttystikk]

Problem is that the large corporations have the money to spread their lies and scare the public,against what,a small environmental group that has to beg for small donations,it's not a fair fight. I remember when I was a kid the news was just that the news. They would tell you the news and sometimes they had something they called a "Editorial Viewpoint" and by law they had to offer the same amount of TV time to the other side of the argument,naturally that law was abolished.Now it's giant corporations with agendas calling what they put out as news and no real rebuttals.

I told you we're on the same side; I agree with the fact that corporations have too much political power. That's a printmaking solved in our government and justice system, and we certainly should.

But the fact remains that you're running your COB LED chips on power generated at least in part by coal or other fossil fuels. This is true no matter how efficient they are.

I applaud your desire to go compelling sustainable, and what I'm trying to tell you is that not only is biogas part of the renewable and sustainable energy future, it's actually already proving itself in daily use around the world right now.

This isn't futuristic pie in the sky bullshit, it's real power and when combined with fuel cells and our brand of indoor agriculture, can provide power, heat, co2 and even water for indoor gardens of the near future, no matter what you grow.

You're the resident expert on COB LED and in such matters I respect your judgement. But future energy production and efficient use in agriculture is my wheelhouse, and before denigrating me from a position of unstudied ignorance, I invite you to have a closer look. It is relevant to your interests already; After all, LED will figure prominently being as it's the most efficient lighting choice available.

 

[ttystikk]

Yes that's all well and good and if you already have a situation like a dairy or pig farm it's a good use of what you have and good for the environment but it won't solve large scale problems,same with capturing methane from land fills. I use to work on a dairy farm as a kid during the summers and it's quite a smelly problem too.

It's certainly part of the renewable equation and powers agriculture. That's also known as food security.

 

[Abiqua]

We're on the same wavelength.

one reason I frame it that way, in terms of the geo political argument, and indeed proves your point as well, about coal usage for most current Electricity use in the States, is that here in Oregon, we have 1 stinking coal plant and it is in the process of being phased out, even after they spent 150+ million retrofitting it with scrubbers a few years back...

I grew up in the Columbia basin and Oregon is self sufficient on hydro power from that alone. So self sufficient in fact, that a good chunk is being sent to California along the Pacific Intertie [google it] right down to LA.
One could make the argument that Oregon is paying the penalty for California's poor use of infrastructure, while California gains a cheap power source, from the grid. Oregon's bills are paid as a positive, possibly, since it is excess and we have very little population statewide.
Oregon is also a part of a bi-state effort that effectively wiped out was was known as the Salmon Superhighway, so there is that to contend with in terms of hydropower....

I sat four years on a state board that was re-licensing a Native American Tribes dam on an Oregon river. The dam makes a fair amount of power, but was originally intended for irrigation as parts of Oregon are in the Great Basin [sad but true]. It also wiped out an indigenous bull trout run that was one of the most prolific on a inland Western United States river. The re-licensing addressed this fact, actually was basically an integral part, with new techniques never used before in dam for fish passage. If you have read the news in the last ten years, the USF&W has had a serious boner for bull trout habitat restoration.

So know we really have this fish issue tied up in the electricity issue and makes this thing that much more complex. Hell, there is a plan in works to remove the lower 4 dams of the Snake River, a 2,000 mile long trib of the Columbia. Hell's Canyon, baby!

My point is, even though this is a state by state issue, would be be better off with less reliance of the grid, no matter the source of input?
Community grids seem more apt, more repairable and even possible more DIY in times of trouble, god forbid.

I also advocate for more efficiency, less redundancy, less of profile, etc etc, passive heating for all homes etc etc...
and another low impact source could be Solar mirrors focusing on Stirling Engine prototypes. The stirling was developed in England and can use solar and just about anything else combustible really, as a fuel source. It is a two cylinder engine which uses hot and cold to repel each other, basically making an engine/piston motion in the process.
I believe that somewhere along the Ca/Nv border is a proto field online currently or was.

lastly......
I am very skeptical about the free power and magnetics theories, but I wonder how in the hell we are not tearing apart Tesla's concepts on Earth grounding and magnetism as a viable power source. Is it possible? perhaps, me thinks more than perhaps, but that is another conversation unto itself. Is it fucking kooky beyond all belief? perhaps.


I hope I didn't come off with a snarky vibe. You are one of the good RG's yo! RG4L



A majority of coal use for electricty in CO right? I lived in Aurora for a year in 87, ah Fitzsimmons army hospital, I was a brat.

 

[ttystikk]

one reason I frame it that way, in terms of the geo political argument, and indeed proves your point as well, about coal usage for most current Electricity use in the States, is that here in Oregon, we have 1 stinking coal plant and it is in the process of being phased out, even after they spent 150+ million retrofitting it with scrubbers a few years back...

I grew up in the Columbia basin and Oregon is self sufficient on hydro power from that alone. So self sufficient in fact, that a good chunk is being sent to California along the Pacific Intertie [google it] right down to LA.
One could make the argument that Oregon is paying the penalty for California's poor use of infrastructure, while California gains a cheap power source, from the grid. Oregon's bills are paid as a positive, possibly, since it is excess and we have very little population statewide.
Oregon is also a part of a bi-state effort that effectively wiped out was was known as the Salmon Superhighway, so there is that to contend with in terms of hydropower....

I sat four years on a state board that was re-licensing a Native American Tribes dam on an Oregon river. The dam makes a fair amount of power, but was originally intended for irrigation as parts of Oregon are in the Great Basin [sad but true]. It also wiped out an indigenous bull trout run that was one of the most prolific on a inland Western United States river. The re-licensing addressed this fact, actually was basically an integral part, with new techniques never used before in dam for fish passage. If you have read the news in the last ten years, the USF&W has had a serious boner for bull trout habitat restoration.

So know we really have this fish issue tied up in the electricity issue and makes this thing that much more complex. Hell, there is a plan in works to remove the lower 4 dams of the Snake River, a 2,000 mile long trib of the Columbia. Hell's Canyon, baby!

My point is, even though this is a state by state issue, would be be better off with less reliance of the grid, no matter the source of input?
Community grids seem more apt, more repairable and even possible more DIY in times of trouble, god forbid.

I also advocate for more efficiency, less redundancy, less of profile, etc etc, passive heating for all homes etc etc...
and another low impact source could be Solar mirrors focusing on Stirling Engine prototypes. The stirling was developed in England and can use solar and just about anything else combustible really, as a fuel source. It is a two cylinder engine which uses hot and cold to repel each other, basically making an engine/piston motion in the process.
I believe that somewhere along the Ca/Nv border is a proto field online currently or was.

lastly......
I am very skeptical about the free power and magnetics theories, but I wonder how in the hell we are not tearing apart Tesla's concepts on Earth grounding and magnetism as a viable power source. Is it possible? perhaps, me thinks more than perhaps, but that is another conversation unto itself. Is it fucking kooky beyond all belief? perhaps.


I hope I didn't come off with a snarky vibe. You are one of the good RG's yo! RG4L



A majority of coal use for electricty in CO right? I lived in Aurora for a year in 87, ah Fitzsimmons army hospital, I was a brat.

Good stuff, I enjoyed that. Thank you!

Yes, Colorado is a top 5 coal producing state and we burn plenty for power here, as well.

Stirling engines might be viable active solar power collectors and converters into electricity. I've heard about them before but I don't know enough about them as yet.

The future holds so many possibilities. The best ones all come with effective campaign finance reform that forcefully weans mega corps off the Washington teat once and for all.

 

[sethimus]

You can fuck all you want, just make use of contraceptives. If people had any love for the planet, they would know better than to have more than one child.

no child is even better, serves the inner nihilist in me quite well. also no explaining to do why we fucked everything up when the little one is old enough. AND THEY WILL ASK as long as you dont rise them up stupid.

 

[8thGenFarmer]

Yea fine and dandy but what if some asshole is growing GMO and pollutes my genetics with something I didn't want and the Monsanto sue me into bankruptcy.

They do it all the time.

They don't actually do that all the time. The only guys I know of in the United States who got sued replanted seed they harvested the prior year. they violated a contract they signed to not replant seed they buy. They wanted to save money on the planting next year. Monsanto proved in court that the genetics of what they planted were 100% from the batch they had sold them prior. If was just drift you wouldn't find an entire Monsanto strain in their field, it would be a mix of genes. There are bags of seed out there with no contract to sign. It's just not the newest fanciest stuff.

Farmers really are a well respected bunch in the community, start fucking with em juries tend to take their side. Our family was sued several times over our farm, never by big companies, always by neighbors who decided to build a new house next to our fields and then complain about smells and sounds. Honestly it's bored housewives who fucked with us the most, as far as court goes. We still won every case, cause we grew their for a century, and because farmers do get respect. Much less than I get now that I've been farming herbs anyway!

There are reasons to be concerned, but that one is as far as I know myth. It was his defense in court, but he lost on the science.

Just about every farmer I know used seed bought from big ag, all sign contracts, and no one was ever sued. Seriously my family has been buying commercial seed since the 70's with no stress. If Microsoft catches you with 100 hacked versions of Windows they'll sue you as well.

Do you have a link to a guy who was sued where he won in court? Or where he had never signed a contract?

 

[8thGenFarmer]

People also believe the mass migration from Syria and the surrounding area is all about fleeing the war. In fact Syria is in the worst drought in at least 900 years,people are starving and that is a leading cause.

The beheadings suck too though lol. Cali has been in drought for 6 years. My neighborhood looks like it's rd to burst into flames any moment. But I'm sticking around. Syria is a proxy war over oil pipelines is my theory. America once again supporting jihadi wars, because it helps us against old Russia and Iran. Kinda like Afghanistan in the 80's.
We back the Saudis our best buddies and their Sunni rebels, Russia backs the alawites and Shia. If there is a revolution whoever takes power wil be US friendly. Shameful we have to arm the craziest bunch since the nazis to make that happen but that doesn't stop em.