EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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bluntmassa1 said:
We need to stand on our own two feet not be handed shit.

If you have Netflix find the documentary about poverty I forget the name but it shows just how bad giving people free stuff is and shows just why Haitians can't stand on their own two feet.

You give give give nobody will work work work they can farm in Haiti they can farm in Ethiopia but the farmers can not compete with the free rice nobody buys local when you get given shit for free.

These people are dependent on free shit.
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Nobody is being asked to be "given" anything. They're demanding their taxes fund things that will help them like universal healthcare and education, both of which demonstrably improve the quality of people's lives and build a stronger economy for everyone else. Funding corporate welfare, illegal wars and the war on drugs do not, so why the hell are we spending money on them?
 
bluntmassa1

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Padawanbater2 said:
Nobody is being asked to be "given" anything. They're demanding their taxes fund things that will help them like universal healthcare and education, both of which demonstrably improve the quality of people's lives and build a stronger economy for everyone else. Funding corporate welfare, illegal wars and the war on drugs do not, so why the hell are we spending money on them?
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If we where taxed less we would have no problem paying for health insurance or education. If you haven't noticed the government is not very good at spending money. My state alone 5 million on heroin!! Lovely, cocksuckers can't even grade my road.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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bluntmassa1 said:
If we where taxed less we would have no problem paying for health insurance or education. If you haven't noticed the government is not very good at spending money. My state alone 5 million on heroin!! Lovely, cocksuckers can't even grade my road.
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Taxes are not the reason people can't pay for education. Poor people pay very little to no income taxes, the problem is that education and healthcare is so expensive that only upper middle-class and upper-class people can afford it. It is cheaper everywhere on Earth that has universal healthcare than in America.
 
bearkat42

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If only someone had been saying this exact same thing months ago. Hmmm... :confused:

bearkat42 said:
Bernie's problem with AA voters is quite simple. He can't seem to effectively separate "race" from "class". All of his answers with regards to race, always end up being about an economic solution. And, quite frankly, it makes him come off as tone deaf. He needs to understand that me having all of the money in the world means nothing if my white neighbors don't want me living in the neighborhood.
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ttystikk

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bearkat42 said:
Believe it. I've been saying this very thing his whole campaign. His answer to every single question was "job".
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There's staying on message, and then there's taking the opportunity to make that message real to everyone.

If this is true then his campaign made a racial calculation and that's a serious miscalculation for those trying to be big tent inclusive.
 
bearkat42

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ttystikk said:
There's staying on message, and then there's taking the opportunity to make that message real to everyone.

If this is true then his campaign made a racial calculation and that's a serious miscalculation for those trying to be big tent inclusive.
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I'm not sure that I would consider it a miscalculation as much as I would consider it a weakness. I've watched him repeatedly struggle when trying to connect with AA voters. I really don't think that he understands that while money helps tremendously, it isn't the "cure all" that he seems to think it is.
 
Padawanbater2

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bearkat42 said:
I'm not sure that I would consider it a miscalculation as much as I would consider it a weakness. I've watched him repeatedly struggle when trying to connect with AA voters. I really don't think that he understands that while money helps tremendously, it isn't the "cure all" that he seems to think it is.
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What could the Sanders campaign have done differently in regards to racial issues that would have made you happy?

A big majority of the problems that cause racial tension stem from economic issues
 
8thGenFarmer

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bearkat42 said:
I'm not sure that I would consider it a miscalculation as much as I would consider it a weakness. I've watched him repeatedly struggle when trying to connect with AA voters. I really don't think that he understands that while money helps tremendously, it isn't the "cure all" that he seems to think it is.
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The clintons have a longer track record as well working for the community. they represented Arkansas which has much more of an AA population than Vermont. I think I met the AA population of Vermont one time, nice guy. Anyway the Clintons have more history, and familiarity.

Vermont is the whitest state in the nation.
 
bearkat42

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Padawanbater2 said:
What could the Sanders campaign have done differently in regards to racial issues that would have made you happy?

A big majority of the problems that cause racial tension stem from economic issues
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Let's take what's going on right now for example:

Moderator: "Mr. Sanders, African American voters are concerned with the perceived or real (for arguments sake) threat against young people by the police in America. As President, what steps would you be willing to take to ease the fears of the African American community?"

Bernie Sanders: "I would create more job opportunities in the inner cities and get young people back to work."
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
What could the Sanders campaign have done differently in regards to racial issues that would have made you happy?

A big majority of the problems that cause racial tension stem from economic issues
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I hear you, but if you aren't black, with all respect, how would you know?
 
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