Let's try this again - 2x2 VERO 18 Tent Grow

[Evil-Mobo]

I feel sorry for you because you're wasting your time with T5 in flowering. You had tasties and you gave them up to continue using a ~25% efficient source just because you have a boner for RM3.

3 words for you... high, pressure, sodium...

The one with the boner for RM3 is you. Here you are again derailing yet another that has nothing to do with you because it matters so much to you what lighting anyone uses. And again you have your head so far up your ass with how worked up you are about my grow that you don't even have your facts straight.

What I do with my money is none of your fucken business and you don't get say in it. The tasty lights did not meet my expectations so go fuck yourself buy some tasty lights if you like them so much. All this talk on your end and not a single picture of a plant that you have grown. Soooo much expertise and nothing to show for it except being an asshole to people for no reason.

I use T5's and a CMH light and I now have a 600w MH setup to get going. I have two autos under the T5 lights to see what they would do its my veg tent NOT my flower tent again you don't know shit about the situation but want to keep running you're mouth.

I don't have to grow like you are do anything you say or suggest but apparently you don't take kindly to being told no. It is not your grow you have no control over it it's out of your hands. It must drive you crazy to see my T5's up in pictures and I will continue to post them just to fuck with you if nothing else. You're such a miserable fuck and a poison to this forum and community. And it's a shame because you have a lot to offer with some of your knowledge but where you fail miserably is in the delivery. So take your all your BS and your negativity and go away. How long have you been at this hating already? At least since I joined up. So keep telling yourself I am flowering with T5's and upsetting yourself about it mean while I will tend to my flower tent that is running a 315w lec CMH and will soon have a 600w MH.

You're working yourself up so much over nothing literally because I do not even specifically use my T5's in my flower tent lol. For one the light wouldn't fit in my 3x3.

Cheers Jackass you have once again shown us all what a great asset you are to humanity.

 

[JorgeGonzales]

 

[OneHitDone]

Now now boys, no poopey'ing up my thread with all this hatred.
This is supposed to just be about growing some weed and seeing what works for others.
And we all know that no one is posting 100% of what they have going on or what they truly know up on these public forums. So...just relax and enjoy some entertainment and interaction with other growers which is what these forums is all about!

 

[OneHitDone]

Update: Week 1 of flower.
Not a hole lot going on yet, just maintaining canopy.
Not sure if a second trellis is required or not so just gonna let it roll and will add if I see the need

 

[HalfBee]

It's looking good brother, I am curious to see how this goes........we need some real feedback here on the different light sources from more than just a handful of people so in my eyes the more data the better. Regardless of the technology.......... I am not a hater of LED's, it makes me laugh that others get so worked up over my decisions on lighting......

Can you direct to a source of Vero 18 heatsinks... those are nice but are they still available?
Vero 18 at 1000 and 1500 mA do well in tight spaces (so I want to follow and find out)
The new LDD 1500 and V18 @ 30v have possibilities as modular 3 light bar systems
Have seen so many 2x2 or 3x3 seekers bee LED away from the almighty Buck

I like low voltages and snap together parts.. grow on...

 

[OneHitDone]

Can you direct to a source of Vero 18 heatsinks... those are nice but are they still available?
Vero 18 at 1000 and 1500 mA do well in tight spaces (so I want to follow and find out)
The new LDD 1500 and V18 @ 30v have possibilities as modular 3 light bar systems
Have seen so many 2x2 or 3x3 seekers bee LED away from the almighty Buck

I like low voltages and snap together parts.. grow on...

https://www.cdiweb.com/ProductDetail/MODULEDMICRO8650C--mechatronix/574037/

 

[HalfBee]

Hmm... those are for citizen and 33 w dissipation and I'm looking for about 45 w
I'd settle for a 3 cob single bar.. but can't seem to find a width & length combo for the coverage
Actually I'd prefer some 'old abandoned stock' somewhere already pre-drilled for V18s

 

[OneHitDone]

Hmm... those are for citizen and 33 w dissipation and I'm looking for about 45 w
I'd settle for a 3 cob single bar.. but can't seem to find a width & length combo for the coverage
Actually I'd prefer some 'old abandoned stock' somewhere already pre-drilled for V18s

Those are the exact sinks my Vero 18 are bolted to. They fit multiple makes of cobs.
Check out the mechatronix website and you'll have to do some digging to see if something else has the Vero 18 pattern

http://www.led-heatsink.com/

 

[HalfBee]

Thanks, didn't give the first ones more than a glance, but the data sheet shows the swiss cheese approach with multi mounting holes...
What are you running your Vero 18s at? The full 2A or down in the 700-1000mA range?
Back to watching the tent and fantasy farming...

 

[churchhaze]

What are you running your Vero 18s at? The full 2A or down in the 700-1000mA range?

On page 1, post 1, if you look hard, you will find a picture :

HLG-240H-C1050B

 

[JorgeGonzales]

Hmm... those are for citizen and 33 w dissipation and I'm looking for about 45 w
I'd settle for a 3 cob single bar.. but can't seem to find a width & length combo for the coverage
Actually I'd prefer some 'old abandoned stock' somewhere already pre-drilled for V18s

Do you already own the Veros or something? They are going to put out a hell of a lot of heat at 45W, on any heat sink.

Either way, the swiss cheese approach is your best bet, Mechatronix has larger sinks. Assuming you aren't in the states, since you can't find an extruded sink you like. Heatsinkusa, and all.

 

[Gquebed]

Why don't you replace your cobs with T5's too. (A sound upgrade)

Oops...sorry... i confused you with somebody else...

I apologize sincerely. Post deleted

 

[HalfBee]

On page 1, post 1, if you look hard, you will find a picture :
HLG-240H-C1050B

Yeah.. missed that but figured that was probably what was used, as it was popular configuration...

Do you already own the Veros or something? They are going to put out a hell of a lot of heat at 45W, on any heat sink.

Either way, the swiss cheese approach is your best bet, Mechatronix has larger sinks. Assuming you aren't in the states, since you can't find an extruded sink you like. Heatsinkusa, and all.

Nope... haven't bought anything yet, still in the planning stages. Mechatronix looks like what I need (not much actually available in stock).
Am West Coast USA - but can't figure Heatsinkusa properly (plus not pre-drilled), you order by length and if you mount cobs out on the ends how are they cooled as evenly as the one in the middle?

The LDDs I want aren't even available yet (have seen Oct date, but most haven't added them yet).
45W isn't as much as the 50W 3070 & 3590 which seem to be the goto recommendations in forums.

What I'm looking at is a 350 watt power supply at 36v putting out 9.7A
That can run 9 - Vero18 @ 1000mA or 6 @ 1500mA
This is only 270 watts (using 30v as typical fV approx)
2x2 and 3x3 seems a good match for that kind of output.
Am looking about about $100 per 3 light bar budget and coming so close...

All the other cobs running over 33-34v fV means you have to go up to the 48v supply and 7.2A which means fewer spots.

Going with 2 bars @ 1000mA offers upgrade option to the 1500 for about $20 a bar by replacing the LDDs
Not saying running 6 @ 1000 isn't enough (this thread should prove that) but exploring new tech being released.
Small tent market just seems under represented in builds... (how many 2x2 you see with 400w HPS as only option)

 

[JorgeGonzales]

Yeah.. missed that but figured that was probably what was used, as it was popular configuration...



Nope... haven't bought anything yet, still in the planning stages. Mechatronix looks like what I need (not much actually available in stock).
Am West Coast USA - but can't figure Heatsinkusa properly (plus not pre-drilled), you order by length and if you mount cobs out on the ends how are they cooled as evenly as the one in the middle?

The LDDs I want aren't even available yet (have seen Oct date, but most haven't added them yet).
45W isn't as much as the 50W 3070 & 3590 which seem to be the goto recommendations in forums.

What I'm looking at is a 350 watt power supply at 36v putting out 9.7A
That can run 9 - Vero18 @ 1000mA or 6 @ 1500mA
This is only 270 watts (using 30v as typical fV approx)
2x2 and 3x3 seems a good match for that kind of output.
Am looking about about $100 per 3 light bar budget and coming so close...

All the other cobs running over 33-34v fV means you have to go up to the 48v supply and 7.2A which means fewer spots.

Going with 2 bars @ 1000mA offers upgrade option to the 1500 for about $20 a bar by replacing the LDDs
Not saying running 6 @ 1000 isn't enough (this thread should prove that) but exploring new tech being released.
Small tent market just seems under represented in builds... (how many 2x2 you see with 400w HPS as only option)

I don't want to clutter this thread with build recommendations, but you might want to ask for advice elsewhere before committing to this plan.

 

[HalfBee]

Yeah... still months away (probably after this grow completes anyway)
Started with heatsinks... then went off on a rant... Back to watching the progress...

 

[OneHitDone]

Another week down, buds starting to form

 

[OneHitDone]

A day late on week 3 update.
Starting to see some buddage
The plant health is kind of refreshing at this point under the Vero's

 

[grapefruitmarmalade]

Nice-looking grow. I'm curious to see what you will yield from that.
I run 2 vero 18s and 2 cxa3050 at 1400mA (mixture of 4000K and 3000K) in a similarly-sized tent.
Also before I came across this thread I didn't think to check the drivers. They are mounted to wood with no spacers. I'll need to revise that. Thanks a lot

 

[HighOnDIYLife]

From my point of view I think your light is too far away from canopy, isn't it?
Or is it just for the picture? Anyway I like what I see!

 

[OneHitDone]

From my point of view I think your light is too far away from canopy, isn't it?
Or is it just for the picture? Anyway I like what I see!

They may be able to come down a tad but from what I can assess on a good blending of the unlensed cob beams I am not too far off.
The plants seem to be happy where they are but I may start experimenting not that they are going into bud mode and have adjusted to the led's