bearkat42
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The system works exactly the way that they want it to. It's actually a brilliant plan.
The Tamir Rice Story: How to Make a Police Shooting Disappear
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NLXSK1
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It was for 2 reasons.
The first was financial. An insurance company will sit down and figure out what the potential cost of a court case might be. Lets say for this one it might be between 5 million dollars and 40 million dollars just to fight the case even if they lose. So a 6 million payout is cheap for a situation where the plaintiff could collect much much more.
The second is to appease the community to show the 'government' is making restitution (with the taxpayers money LOL!!)
My question back to you is if it was a bad shooting, why did they settle for only $6 million?
bearkat42
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As apposed to what, a billion?
NLXSK1
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It does work that way. If a cop makes a mistake he is not going to get prosecuted for it. If a cop is negligent, or intentionally breaks the law he gets prosecuted.
We have an amazing amount of transparency now with all the video cameras but you have quickly demonstrated that you dont care what the video shows if it disagrees from your preconceived notions.
NLXSK1
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Why did they settle at all? If it was not justified why did they not take it to court?
bearkat42
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Everybody settles. Don't be dumb.
NLXSK1
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So your question about why the government settled for 6 million was rhetorical? LOL!!! I think you went 740 degrees there and passed yourself twice :]
bearkat42
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Then it it your contention that cops are RARELY EVER negligent or intentionally break the law?
bearkat42
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My point is that if the shootings are deemed justified, they don't pay shit. Or does everyone shot and killed by the police get $6 million?
ttystikk
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If you're trying to destroy a democratic nation, it is brilliant.
The question that will be answered in the next few years is, are Americans willing to fight for our democracy enough to stop them?
NLXSK1
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Nope, not my contention at all.
However, the cops involved in the Michael Brown case, the Tamir Rice case and about 80% of the other cases here championed as injustice are neither racist nor evil. They are not perfect doing a very difficult job and in some cases they fuck up.
In some cases they are criminal and they should get prosecuted and go to jail if they are found guilty.
Cops are humans and as a group are just as criminal, racist, prejudiced, etc as the rest of society.
bearkat42
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But they're rarely ever held accountable. I'm confused by your logic.
NLXSK1
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They get held accountable when they are doing the wrong thing, not when they are trying to do the right thing and mistakes happen.
I think you believe that cops are doing the wrong thing much more than I think cops are doing the wrong thing and that leads to your confusion.
HeatlessBBQ
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It's all bunny rabbits, rainbows, and unicorns . . . isn't it?
bearkat42
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The cop who pulled the trigger:
Timothy Loehmann had been out of work for five years. His luck changed in March 2012 when he landed a job as a police officer in Independence, Ohio. On his application, he cited having a “stable job” as one of his main motivators for joining the police force. By December 5, 2012, Loehmann was no longer a police officer. The Independence Police Department has stated that Loehmann’s employment lasted a total of five months. Four out of those five months were spent in the police academy. Loehmann had spent only a month as an official police officer before his alarming misconduct became too much of a liability for the Independence police force.
In five short months, Loehmann was deemed “emotionally unstable” and unfit for service as a police officer. In his personnel records, his direct supervisors described him as having a “lack of maturity” as well as an “inability to perform basic functions as instructed.” These supervisors were referring to the disturbing behavior Loehmann exhibited during a weapons training session. Loehmann’s worrisome conduct and mental instability when handling weapons would become a reoccurring theme in his personnel files.
In another training session held at a gun range, Loehmann suffered what was described as an “emotional meltdown.” In a memo sent to Human Resources, Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence Police Department referred to this incident as a “dangerous loss of composure.” Polak noted that Loehmann’s “handgun performance was dismal” and that he was “distracted and weepy” during the training session. After Loehmann’s weapons were taken away by the training officer, he continued his “emotional meltdown” with detailed descriptions of his apparent issues with a girlfriend.
Deputy Chief Polak’s memo included several additional incidents of worrisome misconduct. He concluded the memo with the following:
“Individually, these events would not be considered major situations but, when taken together, they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion, and not following instructions.”
“I do not believe time nor training will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”
In March 2014, after spending two years being denied by every police force he applied to, Timothy Loehmann received an offer from the Cleveland Police Department. They did not check his personnel files.
A few months later, on November 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Loehmann shot and killed a 12 year-old child named Tamir Rice.
Timothy Loehmann had been out of work for five years. His luck changed in March 2012 when he landed a job as a police officer in Independence, Ohio. On his application, he cited having a “stable job” as one of his main motivators for joining the police force. By December 5, 2012, Loehmann was no longer a police officer. The Independence Police Department has stated that Loehmann’s employment lasted a total of five months. Four out of those five months were spent in the police academy. Loehmann had spent only a month as an official police officer before his alarming misconduct became too much of a liability for the Independence police force.
In five short months, Loehmann was deemed “emotionally unstable” and unfit for service as a police officer. In his personnel records, his direct supervisors described him as having a “lack of maturity” as well as an “inability to perform basic functions as instructed.” These supervisors were referring to the disturbing behavior Loehmann exhibited during a weapons training session. Loehmann’s worrisome conduct and mental instability when handling weapons would become a reoccurring theme in his personnel files.
In another training session held at a gun range, Loehmann suffered what was described as an “emotional meltdown.” In a memo sent to Human Resources, Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence Police Department referred to this incident as a “dangerous loss of composure.” Polak noted that Loehmann’s “handgun performance was dismal” and that he was “distracted and weepy” during the training session. After Loehmann’s weapons were taken away by the training officer, he continued his “emotional meltdown” with detailed descriptions of his apparent issues with a girlfriend.
Deputy Chief Polak’s memo included several additional incidents of worrisome misconduct. He concluded the memo with the following:
“Individually, these events would not be considered major situations but, when taken together, they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion, and not following instructions.”
“I do not believe time nor training will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”
In March 2014, after spending two years being denied by every police force he applied to, Timothy Loehmann received an offer from the Cleveland Police Department. They did not check his personnel files.
A few months later, on November 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Loehmann shot and killed a 12 year-old child named Tamir Rice.
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NLXSK1
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We already know he was not a very good cop, he shot someone.
Do you want the law to be altered based on the personality of the cop? I am not sure what you are looking for here.
As stated, when Tamir was shot by the police officer he was pulling a gun from his waistband. You could show me the cop was the grand wizard of the KKK in the area and it wouldnt change the unfortunate actions of the kid.
Do you want the law to be altered based on the personality of the cop? I am not sure what you are looking for here.
As stated, when Tamir was shot by the police officer he was pulling a gun from his waistband. You could show me the cop was the grand wizard of the KKK in the area and it wouldnt change the unfortunate actions of the kid.
potroastV2
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We can always count on you defending the pigs! That's all you do around here.
I know it makes you feel smart to argue with people who are smarter than you. I also know that you are really proud that your IQ is 102.
I know it makes you feel smart to argue with people who are smarter than you. I also know that you are really proud that your IQ is 102.
bearkat42
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Congrats man. It takes a special kind of hate to take the information that I've presented and still come away saying that this was justified.
NLXSK1
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I said it was a tragedy.Congrats man. It takes a special kind of hate to take the information that I've presented and still come away saying that this was justified.
What are you going to charge the cop with? First degree murder? Cause he planned it at breakfast?
I am talking about actions, and an unfortunate situation. You dont want to address the fact that Tamir was pulling a gun from his waistband. This wasnt hands up dont shoot...
Michael Brown was justified. It seems the recent shooting of a felon in Louisiana was justified as well since he was reaching for an illegal gun in his pocket while fighting with the police.
It seems you are unwilling to even acknowledge that cops serve a benefit to society.
bearkat42
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Don't charge him with anything. Let him run around Cleveland keeping people "safe". The guy should have never been hired in the first place, but he's got the job now, and I'm sure that all of Cleveland feels safer for it. You think he's working the convention this week?