Calling all COBs, Calling all COBs, come in number crunchers are you receiving?

Johnnycannaseed1

Johnnycannaseed1

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rxr2 said:
sorry to spam hire. But Fuck no, were is my tread :(

What's now ? i didn't make any adverts !! fucker....
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I know I just came in here looking for your thread to see what you had to say and blam it's gone...

Not sure why???...

Really not cool Mods what's up with that???

Edit...Just read your previous post will...now all is clear lol
 
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Johnnycannaseed1

Johnnycannaseed1

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Will Thayer said:
I am going to order 10 x CLU046 of all three colours and a couple of samples of the C7A in 2700k to have a play with. I just wanted opinions one way or the other. For the prices I don't think I can go wrong. My little collective seems to be growing and the need for cost effective COBs is more of an issue now.

Cheers,
Will
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As others have mentioned at the price you cannot go wrong, having played around with the smaller citizen chips and now working my way up to the bigger ones I can vouch that they are a very good chips indeed and seriously underated... The thermal resistance of the Citizen COBs are extremely low due to the fact that they package on aluminium...they have the patent for this design so Cree and the others cannot package in such a manner nor beat Citizen for thermal efficiency, pretty certain they also employ thin film flip chip technology in their products, so they are definitely on the cutting edge and dare I say slightly ahead of Cree....

Also giving a shout out to the guys at flip chip Opto because they have definitely listened to the comments here in this forum and are now using them to help develop and bring innovative products to the canna market, so thumbs up to you guys as well!!!
 
guod

guod

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Johnnycannaseed1 said:
The thermal resistance of the Citizen COBs are extremely low due to the fact that they package on aluminium...they have the patent for this design so Cree and the others cannot package in such a manner nor beat Citizen for thermal efficiency, pretty certain they also employ thin film flip chip technology in their products, so they are definitely on the cutting edge and dare I say slightly ahead of Cree....
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nice story...any way to back up this, with numbers...
 
JorgeGonzales

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Johnnycannaseed1 said:
Go here to datasheet below thermal resistance figure for package is in section 1.2
http://ce.citizen.co.jp/lighting_led/dl_data/datasheet/en/COB_5/CLU048-1212C4_P3708_0516.pdf

Now go to Crees datasheet...Tell me what you see?
http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/Data-and-Binning/ds-CXB3590.pdf
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I think Bridgelux has the lowest non-flip chip thermal resistance I've seen. I don't see Cree's in there, but I don't think it's particularly impressive...did I miss it?
 
JorgeGonzales

JorgeGonzales

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guod said:
vero18 old version.. the LES Aera is nearly the same... 18mm for the vero, 22mm for the citizen. the greater LES of the citizen does not help here...
and Cree is not way behind this numbers from Brdgelux.
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at this time there is no Cob that beats Cree or Brigdelux in this field....
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Where is Cree's listed? I've asked you this before I think, but Supra was saying Tj 85 = Tc 55 at 1.9A to explain the discrepancy between PCT and data sheets:

SupraSPL said:
If so, another way to put it the PCT is based on Tc rather than Tj. You can see from the PDF that at 1.9A a Tc of 55C = Tj of 85C
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30C rise at ~68W is awful.
 
JorgeGonzales

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Will Thayer said:
I think extortion would imply a lack of choice. Lets face it rxr2 is going to bring his product to market. He is most probably going to do extremely well with it. How can Rollitup continue to generate revenue from advertisers if they do not respond to what is perceived by them at least to be free advertising. I have seen countless schills post here and get immediately slammed by members for blatant and underhanded marketing tactics. rxr2 is different because he has actually shown us something we like and has credentials to back his findings. Regardless of intentions it is the perception that counts. I do not think rxr2 will give his product away. I think it is unfair to ask Rollitup to do so.

Rxr2 please do not think I do not appreciate your posts. They have been rewarding to read and I hope you continue to contribute. I just think a start up company should have room in their budget for advertising. You have attracted a lot of attention to your designs and as an advertiser you would have the ability to continue to expand this interest and generate sales.

We all get to play on the swings here but this is somebody else's playground and they pay to keep the lights on.

For what it's worth,
Will
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Sorry, lot of replies, but he wasn't advertising anything. I agree with you otherwise. They deleted his first thread because he mentioned his company, so the second thread was 100% DIY focused with no company name mentioned. Just good information and interesting discussion, I mean before Sativied showed up :)

@rxr2 do you even sell your lights outside of Poland? If you do, definitely advertise.

For me the question then becomes if I start a thread about Spectrolight, and he participates, does he have to pay RIU? It's so weird. Anyway, I'll stop posting now.
 
tags420

tags420

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@rxr2
Since apparently putting out correct information is wrong, as well as standing up for the person that gave it and was attacked was wrong...which I don't think you actually agree to that...
What was your take on @OneHitDone 's issue with "not mixing" when he saw the colors separated through the hole. Was is a camera obscura diffraction effect through the tent slits or not??
You seemed to agree the bandwagon about their personal feelings(such as being wrong yet acting correct because of their ego...then getting called for it). You insinuated there is a different answer with your comment about "able to keep"...but never gave any answer to what was going on with the light?
No one is here to advertise, nor were they doing that in the other thread. Just putting the facts and data first...not feelings.
I'm sure @MrTwist1 would like to hear your thoughts on it as well.

What was going on there???
 
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Will Thayer

Will Thayer

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JorgeGonzales said:
Sorry, lot of replies, but he wasn't advertising anything. I agree with you otherwise. They deleted his first thread because he mentioned his company, so the second thread was 100% DIY focused with no company name mentioned. Just good information and interesting discussion, I mean before Sativied showed up :)

@rxr2 do you even sell your lights outside of Poland? If you do, definitely advertise.

For me the question then becomes if I start a thread about Spectrolight, and he participates, does he have to pay RIU? It's so weird. Anyway, I'll stop posting now.
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The fact is though he is operating a business. A quick glance at the company website and it is easy to see they are a startup company with some financial backing.
There have been several folks here who have started their own companies and ponied up as advertisers. Tasty, PLC, johnson, Northern etcetera. Seems only fair to those companies that there be a level playing field.

I want his participation here and I think the best way forward is to do so as a legitimate advertiser. What can they do then? He can share knowledge, promote his product, look to make contacts that will distribute his products to a larger market etc..

As things stand now he is in the crosshairs of Rollitup because they want revenue just as Spectro-light would like revenue. I would buy his products based on the threads that have been deleted. Hell I would buy his products just based on his avatar.

I know he was not outright advertising but you have to admit there was some textbook grass roots marketing in play. Kudos to spectro-light I wish them success.
Unfortunately I think until he decides to pay to play his content is going to end up on milk cartons.

Cheers,
Will
 
Kempo

Kempo

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Tme delivers citizen cobs only in Poland, i tried to find a Polish company to recive my order then deliver me but without success. If someone got a trick, feel free to pm, i just need only 4 cobs.
 
Johnnycannaseed1

Johnnycannaseed1

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guod said:
vero18 old version.. the LES Aera is nearly the same... 18mm for the vero, 22mm for the citizen. the greater LES of the citizen does not help here...
and Cree is not way behind this numbers from Brdgelux.
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at this time there is no Cob that beats Cree or Brigdelux in this field....
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With regards to Bridgelux fair point...although not wholly buying it, tell me out of curiosity what material is their substrate made out of same goes for Cree?
 
Johnnycannaseed1

Johnnycannaseed1

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JorgeGonzales said:
I think Bridgelux has the lowest non-flip chip thermal resistance I've seen. I don't see Cree's in there, but I don't think it's particularly impressive...did I miss it?
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Not really looked too hard at Bridgelux stuff,,,but you hit the nail on the head with regards to Cree not posting their data, because a good chunk of this game is about bragging rights and I am pretty sure if Cree had anything to boast about in this department they would be shouting about it from the rooftops...
 
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