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[bdt1981]

@chronicals77 It differs by plant health and environment, but plants begin to flower on day one of flip. Yellowing around bud sites occurs on day one. The plant is drawing nutrients from around the bud sites to initiate flower growth. 5-7 days in you should have flowers already developed. Anyone not counting the first day of flip in flower is doing it wrong.


If I don't count that first week, then my OG's, GSC's, GG4, "Mystery", Animal Crosses, and every other strain I've ever grown (except something called "Unicorn Crusher" and a Jack cross that each looked could go another week or two) are all "7-8 week" plants (again, that is minus the first week), and I had a Blue Dream that was just over 6 weeks (if that first week doesn't "count"). Nope, that isn't the case. I run 8-9 week plants. Flowering begins day 1, by day 7 there are flowers. Flowering does not "initiate" when there is already a flower present.

I think the "argument" stems from the difference in environment and overall plant health. Ideal environment and optimal plant health will shorten bloom. Extreme example; a plant that will take 56 days, flip to finish (let's say 80/20 milky/amber), while that exact same plant ("sister" clone) will take significantly longer outdoors. Yes, this is the difference between "out" and "in", but there is also a difference in the "sophistication" between individual indoor grows. One may take only 8-9 weeks with a particular strain, while another takes 11-12 to achieve the same level of maturation.

"Stretch" is a part of the flowering phase. The amount of stretch and it's duration is strain/environment dependent. Typically occurs during the first 3 weeks. There are methods to mitigate this.

I dont call them flowers til they are fingernail size. When would u call a site an actual flower. Usually 14 ish days from flip is about when i been seeing actual flowers.

 

[bdt1981]

Im not doing anything wrong, your just not understanding and are convinced flower starts the day you flip the switch. It does NOT, the plant has to adjust to the drastic change in light and also has to change chemically before it can just begin shitting out buds. You dont miraculously have buds the next day after you switch to 12/12. The plant changes chemically. It has to transition from veg to flower, there is a short period of time between these stages where this happens. The plant is not in veg then the next day in flower just because you flipped a switch, get real. Cannabis transitions from veg to flower period!

What if u go from 18/6 to 12/12 instead of 24. I have heard the plants react better from 18/6 to 12/12 than 24. Idk i have only done 24hr light when i first started growing. Dont like it.

 

[Odin*]

I dont call them flowers til they are fingernail size. When would u call a site an actual flower. Usually 14 ish days from flip is about when i been seeing actual flowers.

Are pistils included in the "fingernail size" diameter? ~5-7 days the developing buds are the size of little peas, with pistils coming out (making them larger that a "fingernail"). 14 days in I see golf balls or bigger.

 

[bdt1981]

Are pistils included in the "fingernail size" diameter? ~5-7 days the developing buds are the size of little peas, with pistils coming out (making them larger that a "fingernail"). 14 days in I see golf balls or bigger.

Golf balls or bigger at 14 days huh. Hydro?

 

[bdt1981]

Are pistils included in the "fingernail size" diameter? ~5-7 days the developing buds are the size of little peas, with pistils coming out (making them larger that a "fingernail"). 14 days in I see golf balls or bigger.

My fingernail is a lot bigger than a pea. I want to see some pix of golf balls at day 14 tho. Unless when u say golf ball u mean marble since u said pea bigger than fingernail...

 

[Odin*]

@bdt1981 And my "pinky" nail is a lot bigger than a pea. I asked you if you are including the pistils in the "flower diameter". If so, 7 days in they are larger than a fingernail, 14 golf balls or larger.

I'll find a pic from around that time frame.

 

[GardenGnome83]

Im not doing anything wrong, your just not understanding and are convinced flower starts the day you flip the switch. It does NOT, the plant has to adjust to the drastic change in light and also has to change chemically before it can just begin shitting out buds. You dont miraculously have buds the next day after you switch to 12/12. The plant changes chemically. It has to transition from veg to flower, there is a short period of time between these stages where this happens. The plant is not in veg then the next day in flower just because you flipped a switch, get real. Cannabis transitions from veg to flower period!

You are wrong. And you are coming off very arrogant.
GH is garbage, and everyone that has used it, knows it. Unless you like shitty bud. NASA would use the cheapest crap.
When you flip the lights, your flowers start. My plants always go within 3-4 days of advertised time. Conditions are key as well. If your environment sucks, you'll be delayed.
You act like a cocky noob, you should stop.

 

[Aeroknow]

You are wrong. And you are coming off very arrogant.
GH is garbage, and everyone that has used it, knows it. Unless you like shitty bud. NASA would use the cheapest crap.
When you flip the lights, your flowers start. My plants always go within 3-4 days of advertised time. Conditions are key as well. If your environment sucks, you'll be delayed.
You act like a cocky noob, you should stop.

I agree that flower starts when we flip the lighting from veg lighting to 12/12, but why is GH garbage? I've used it for more than 2 decades now, along with many other brand base nutes. What makes the nutes you use better?

 

[bdt1981]

@bdt1981 And my "pinky" nail is a lot bigger than a pea. I asked you if you are including the pistils in the "flower diameter". If so, 7 days in they are larger than a fingernail, 14 golf balls or larger.

I'll find a pic from around that time frame.

I didnt say pinky nail. Not really pistils the actual flower when the top node starts to turn into a flower instead of a new shoot. Day 5 to 7 prob right but it takes a week for it to be a flower and start gaining size

 

[bdt1981]

I agree that flower starts when we flip the lighting from veg lighting to 12/12, but why is GH garbage? I've used it for more than 2 decades now, along with many other brand base nutes. What makes the nutes you use better?

I myself believe holland secret to blow the rest out the water.

 

[Aeroknow]

I myself believe holland secret to blow the rest out the water.

I myself have used many dif base nutes. I personally haven't ever experienced a base nute that blows any other decent nute away.

 

[bdt1981]

I myself have used many dif base nutes. I personally haven't ever experienced a base nute that blows any other decent nute away.

I used gh i used another cant remember the name but its known. Ahh cutting edge. As well as lucas formula witch is retarded. I used holland secret. Try it and see. I myself enjoy clear nutrient over a dark everytime.. And i have never saw a clogged sprayer with holland secret

 

[Aeroknow]

I used gh i used another cant remember the name but its known. Ahh cutting edge. As well as lucas formula witch is retarded. I used holland secret. Try it and see. I myself enjoy clear nutrient over a dark everytime..

Looks to be just another flora series clone minus the brown color in the micro?

 

[bdt1981]

Looks to be just another flora series clone minus the brown color in the micro?

Sediment free.... Hard to find the stuff tho. I havent a wide array of different nutes to compare against.

 

[Aeroknow]

Sediment free....

I never had much of a problem with the floraseries in my tubes, or in drip setups over the years.
Currently i'm almost exclusively rockin GH's maxi series. A one part powder for veg and one for bloom. Along with drip clean, my shit stays unclogged
The maxi is mostly clear, except a little green dye in the veg formula and a little pink in the bloom formula.
What I like the most about it is it's potent and cheaper than most liquid nutes. 5ml/gal is about 1.7-1.8 EC, and it works just as good as any other base nute i've used.

 

[HydroRed]

GH Flora series is ok and doesnt plug my drip rings or stain roots either. FloraNova on the other hand can be some salty stuff and I didnt have any issues on my last run, but could see that sludging up a drip system. The nova is a whole nother ball game though if you've ever seen how thick it is haha

 

[Aeroknow]

GH Flora series is ok and doesnt plug my drip rings or stain roots either. FloraNova on the other hand can be some salty stuff and I didnt have any issues on my last run, but could see that sludging up a drip system. The nova is a whole nother ball game though if you've ever seen how thick it is haha

Yup. The FN is good shit, but not in a recirculating setup, and or in a drip setup IMO. Clogs pump filters, drippers, etc. Same with cns-17. But instead of brown shit everywhere, it's white snot. But for a liquid 1-part, they're both great, with the floranova being 3x's more potent but 3x's more expensive than the cns17

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

Im going to explain this once more. People that are counting day one of flip as day one of flower is wrong. Plants stretch first, they put all thier energy into stretching to open bud sites and get those sites out away from the plant and into the light. This is the transition period. Look it up! In DWC this happens over a weeks time, after transition early/week one of flower begins. Anyone starting day one flower at flip is wrong.

Lol come on man.....

There are just people that choose to ignore it but that doesn't make it not true. People that really know how to grow know transition. Watch your plants next time they stretch, they stretch much more than they bud. Plants have to have time to adjust to the new light schedule. Another reason for transition. Seedling, early veg, late veg, transition, early bloom, mid bloom, late bloom, ripen, flush. Period!

looks like a feeding schedule, not a plants life.


Flower starts the day you flip to 12/12.

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

Look, whats the first week after flip? Transition. Please do not tell me GH professionals dont know what they are talking about. GH is backed by N.A.S.A. Botonists. Read! The info is out there. Anyone counting day one flip as day one flower is technically wrong.

Lol "transition" is under the bloom block...I wonder why? Oh, because it's part of flowering. Just like the chart says.

 

[Budley Doright]

GH Flora series is ok and doesnt plug my drip rings or stain roots either. FloraNova on the other hand can be some salty stuff and I didnt have any issues on my last run, but could see that sludging up a drip system. The nova is a whole nother ball game though if you've ever seen how thick it is haha

It's like really wet baby poo. Very first system I built was a dripper and the cock at the one hydro store sold it to me, I was like "fuck, shits thick, you sure?" Yup he says, it's soluble ...... Ummm nope it's not lol.