Lucky Luke
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Thats why i love this forum..lots of ideas and people searching for diff ways to accomplish what in essence is an easy thing to do. Grow a plant.
Defoliation question
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Afgan King
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Right people complicate growing cannabis when it's extremely simple in aspects of farming a plant. I've grown lots of different plants and honestly cannabis is the easiest and most hardy. Of course you can get sensitive strains but the way I grow everything gets the same thing they all like it. Easiest, most straight forward and cheapest setup I've ever run. When I used to run dwc shit was complicated lol I gave it up because growing isn't supposed to be complicated you shouldn't have to pull your hair out to grow good meds. I feed every third day and only actually do anything to the plants for like 3 actual days of the 63 (run everything 9 weeks)maybe even 2 and the plants love it. Everyone's got their thing and with this plant in particular new shit comes out like every week either for growing or smoking or whatever. These techniques will be obsolete in 10 years when we really know more about these plants
Afgan King
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On that note i apologizefor earlier I lost my cool shouldn't have happened
Lucky Luke
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I normally grow outside. I dont smoke much at all..just one 3 paper on a saturday night...maybe rarely another on on Sunday.
I grow way way way more than i need but yet this year i started mucking about with a Fridge grow (i havent grown under lights in 2 decades)..lol. Tis all fun and games.
I grow way way way more than i need but yet this year i started mucking about with a Fridge grow (i havent grown under lights in 2 decades)..lol. Tis all fun and games.
Lucky Luke
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All good mate..lots of us got heated. I also apologize.
.As someone just said on another thread..we need a new term as Defoliation is now a thing. And its not what we mean when we are trimming and pruning.
Watch the whole video. They defoliate the plant (twice??).
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thewanderingjack
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yeah this thred got crazy hahaha...
And it really quickly spun out of track from the OPs original question...
Which, since I won't read through all this, if it didn't get answered, maybe this would help:
I believe... note, this is my opinion, not gospel... that if you, like me, were thinking that more bud site would be great and would produce more (provided adequate lighting) then I would completely avoid removing any part of the plant (aside from topping it, as per guidelines for that, to do what that does... whole other topic).
My plants are very much shaped like yours, and I have found LST (tying the branches out and down) does great for giving those smaller buds a chance to get big.
I've never seen evidence to support less but bigger bud sites over more and smaller... or vice versa... in terms of production quantity... which is basically the bottom line...
Commercial growers prefer bigger buds... they have bag appeal and are easier to process over popcorn nugs... but for me with a small personal grow and humidity problems (which means more chance of bud rot, which is more likely with bigger buds) small and plentiful is good.
And defoliating... overall seems like not a good idea... leaves do the energy conversion work the plant needs to do everything else... a lot of "everything else" also happens in the leaves. Plants naturally cannibalize bigger older leaves for their nutrients in favor of younger leaves/new growth, but that seems logical... your body does it too... hyperbolic metaphor: your body "eats" itself when you starve. Chopping off your arm wouldn't help. I guess if you ate it... it might... hahaha massive blood loss... hilarious....
And it really quickly spun out of track from the OPs original question...
Which, since I won't read through all this, if it didn't get answered, maybe this would help:
I believe... note, this is my opinion, not gospel... that if you, like me, were thinking that more bud site would be great and would produce more (provided adequate lighting) then I would completely avoid removing any part of the plant (aside from topping it, as per guidelines for that, to do what that does... whole other topic).
My plants are very much shaped like yours, and I have found LST (tying the branches out and down) does great for giving those smaller buds a chance to get big.
I've never seen evidence to support less but bigger bud sites over more and smaller... or vice versa... in terms of production quantity... which is basically the bottom line...
Commercial growers prefer bigger buds... they have bag appeal and are easier to process over popcorn nugs... but for me with a small personal grow and humidity problems (which means more chance of bud rot, which is more likely with bigger buds) small and plentiful is good.
And defoliating... overall seems like not a good idea... leaves do the energy conversion work the plant needs to do everything else... a lot of "everything else" also happens in the leaves. Plants naturally cannibalize bigger older leaves for their nutrients in favor of younger leaves/new growth, but that seems logical... your body does it too... hyperbolic metaphor: your body "eats" itself when you starve. Chopping off your arm wouldn't help. I guess if you ate it... it might... hahaha massive blood loss... hilarious....
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tropicalcannabispatient
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I GUESS WE ALL DO THAT, ITS CALLED LOLLIPOP, TRIMMING AND PRUNING WE ALL KNOW THAT, SO WE WHERE FIGHTING ALL THIS TIME FOR NOTHING, HE DONT DEFOLIATE, (WHICH IM AGAINST) HE LOLLIPOPS FOR THE RECORD, COMPLETELY A DIFFERENT DEFINITION.
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thewanderingjack
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With such a long thread I'm not sure if it had been mentioned but yeah... whooo lollipoping for those it works for... I mean it works, but it's not good for my set up (high humidity, more chance of bud rot which is more likely with bigger nugs)
tropicalcannabispatient
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FINNALY. YO WHERE THE HELL WHERE U 17 PAGES AGO. WE COULD AVOID ALL THIS NONSENSE IF U WHERE HERE. ANYWAYS I WASN'T NOT EVEN ARGUING HARD I WAS MORE JOKING AROUND MORE ANYTHING, I SED EARLY THAT HE WASN'T DEFOLIATING. BUT NOT AS EFFECTIVELY AS YOUR POST, I GUESS IS MA POOR ENGLISH, FUCKING BEANERS. LMFAO
thewanderingjack
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I think semantics is a real communications problem and cause for a lot of "arguments"... people actually agree, but since they define terms differently, they think they disagree...
Language is a barrier even when we share one, because of the nuances.
tropicalcannabispatient
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just please stop the word DEFOLIATION. LOL. better use: Lollipoped ,trimmed, and pruned. lol. We clarify that already., we dont want to start shit again if someone new join the thread. Lol
tropicalcannabispatient
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yeah that wasnt not even in question., the debate was about defoliation.
tropicalcannabispatient
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SUPER MEGA AGREE
thewanderingjack
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here's a good example... "trimming" always makes me think of trimming dry bud... I guess I could see it referring to clipping the edges/tips of live leaves on the plant, which should have it's own term... but otherwise you are either pruning (removing branches/stems) or defoliating (removing only leaves).
But here's a way of looking at it too: when you prune you do effectively defoliate, as you are removing leaves... BUT as you said, the definition and most common use is removing ONLY the leaves. And it has totally different effects (which is why we use different terms).
tropicalcannabispatient
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why u dont get a small cheap dehumidifier?
thewanderingjack
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I'm considering it... but that adds cost and effort (running cost and having to take out the water) I know it's not much, but every little bit counts to me) and takes up space... My box is 3x4x4 (that's in ft). I suppose reusing the water to water would then cut down on my water expense... but then again I hope to switch to catching water soon, so that's not really a plus.
Also, with my humidity I doubt I could find one that was small enough and powerful enough to do the job... and even if i did, I'd either have to constantly empty it or run a hose out (which probably wouldn't be an option in a small one)
tropicalcannabispatient
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just call it lollipop , so new growers won't get the wrong idea i mean thats actually lollipoping to me. toke on =====~~
Dumme
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3 times total. Junk science, they call what their doing "Schwazzing". The removal of 99% of the leaves. It's all fluff. Don't get cough up in their cinematography and catchy beats.
Their book is very will built. Oversized with a pretty binder, like wedding paper. Inside starts of with cloning, and re-teach the stuff that's commonly known in growing. Then comes the picutes. Yes, they're nice. They've clearly used a high end camera to shoot. You get to look a the full 11-17 photos in high def. I relate it to a colouring book for kids.
In the back is the only new stuff where they talk about their schwazzing schedule. Again, junk.
You wanna pay $500 for it, go ahead, but will junk pseudoscience and junk prices.
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RM3
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I have absolutely zero, nothing to do with the 3 a light book and would not ever endorse it !