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From The Times

September 5, 2008


Sarah Palin: it's go west, towards the future of conservatism

Her thrilling convention speech showed that the Governor of Alaska is a force to reckoned with. But she might be more than that


Gerard Baker


The best line I heard about Sarah Palin during the frenzied orgy of chauvinist condescension and gutter-crawling journalistic intrusion that greeted her nomination for vice-president a week ago came from a correspondent who knows a thing or two about Alaska.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”
“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

Now we know, thanks to her triumphant debut at the Republican convention on Wednesday, that Mrs Palin not only slaughters her prey. She impales its head on a stick and parades it around for her followers to jeer at. For half an hour she eviscerated Mr Obama in that hall and did it all without dropping her sweet schoolmarm smile, as if she were handing out chocolates at the end of a history lesson.

There's a powerful danger in the sheer thrill that has followed her astonishing performance that we could get carried away with John McCain's running-mate. Some of the coverage has a hyperbolic tone to it. Not since Paris handed that apple to Aphrodite has a man's selection of a woman had such implications for the future of our civilisation.

So let's stipulate one obvious and important piece of wisdom about US elections. The choice of a vice-presidential candidate rarely makes much of a difference. The pundit class waxes historical in the excitement of the moment but usually the vice-presidential choices go back to playing second banana. However mawkishly we dwell on the mortality of the presidential contenders, it is they who determine the voters' decision.

This one, to be fair, could be different. For at least the next few weeks the press will follow Mrs Palin's present and dig deeper into her past, still hoping for some morsel of stupidity or evidence of cupidity to doom her. But in the end, barring such a discovery, this is still an Obama-McCain contest.

But let me try to explain why Mrs Palin, whatever impact she might have in November, may be a figure of real consequence in our lives.

It's partly about what she represents and partly about what she has already done, but mostly about where she and her ilk might take the Republicans - and possibly America.

It never ceases to amaze me how the Left falls again and again into the old trap of underestimating politicians whom they don't understand. From Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to George Bush and Mrs Palin, they do it every time. Because these characters talk a bit funny and have ridiculously antiquated views about faith, family and nation, because they haven't spent time bending the knee to the intellectual metropolitan elites, they can't be taken seriously.

So the general expectation was that Mrs Palin would stumble on to the stage in high heels, clutching her sprawling, slightly odd family (five children! how weird), mispronounce the name of the Russian Prime Minister, mutter a few platitudes about God, and disappear for ever to a deafening chorus of sniggers.

No one paid much attention to the fact that she had been elected governor of a state. Or that she got to that office not because, unlike some politicians I could mention, her husband had been there before her, or because she bleated continuously about glass ceilings, but by challenging the entrenched interests in her own party and beating them. In almost two years as Governor she has cleaned out the Augean stables of Alaskan Government. You don't win a statewide election and enjoy approval ratings of more than 80 per cent without real political talent.

Never mind all that. She didn't have a passport! She was a former beauty queen! It was so axiomatic that she was a disaster that I was told by lots of savvy men - with deliciously unconscious sexism - that the real problem was what the choice said about Mr McCain and his judgment: cynical, irresponsible, clueless. It was as if Mrs Palin wasn't really a human being at all, but an article of Mr McCain's clothing that showed his poor taste, like wearing brown shoes with a charcoal suit.

So here's why she matters.

First of all she offers an opportunity for an ailing Republican party to reconnect with ordinary Americans. She's conservative, but her conservatism is not that of the intolerant, uncomprehending white male sort that has so hurt the party in recent years. She is much closer to a model of the lives of ordinary Americans - working mother, plainspoken everywoman juggling home and office - than any Republican leader in memory.

The contrast with Mr Obama is especially powerful. The very fact that Mrs Palin didn't go to elite schools but succeeded nonetheless - the very ordinariness with which she so piquantly jabbed Mr Obama on Wednesday - is what will make her so appealing to Americans. And as a pro-life conservative she debunks in one swoop the enduring myth that all women subscribe to the obligatory nostrums of radical feminism.

But there's more to it than that.

The Republicans have decided that they are not going to make the mistake Hillary Clinton made and run against the effervescent Mr Obama on the premise of experience.

Experience hasn't got Americans into a very comfortable place. They want change. Before he signed up to some of the less attractive Republican attitudes this year, Mr McCain's career had embodied that change - the anti-establishment candidate running against his own party. Now he is joined by a woman who, in her short career, has done the same thing.
Democrats think that Mr McCain, with the social conservative Mrs Palin, will launch an old-fashioned culture war at them, using her appealing manner to drive a populist assault on the familiar Republican issues of God, guns and gays.

Perhaps this Manichean interpretation will prove true. But I suspect that it misses the real appeal of the Republican team. The opportunity for McCain-Palin is not reaction, but reform - a reform rooted in a distant conservatism that could be due for a comeback.

Hailing from Arizona and Alaska, the Republican ticket has a chance to rekindle a western conservatism different from the old Yankee paternalist sort or the Bible Belt version. They like their guns out there (some still kill their own food) and they are pro-life and deeply pro-America, of course. But at a time of grave challenges, the themes of economic freedom and opportunity, the resistance to the idea that government holds all the answers, could resonate with voters.

This is an election, as the Democrats have realised all along, about an America on the cusp of change. With the moose-hunting, establishment-taunting Mrs Palin at his side, Mr McCain might represent a bigger change than the one that his opponents are offering.

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Correct me if I am wrong. This article basically says we should all love a "woman" acting like a man, who kills her own food, and can read a teleprompter? Oh wait and also due to adversity, she became the governor of a state with less population than many major cities and dare I say whose intelligent citizens move the Hell away from there as soon as they are able to.
 
...and dare I say whose intelligent citizens move the Hell away from there as soon as they are able to.
I resent that remark. My entire family from my mother's side hails from Alaska. I have family there and I've visited there for almost a year. It is a wonderful state...although many urbanites might "thumb their noses" at folks who hail from a state that is predominately rural, full of a lot of hard working, intelligent countrymen.
 
Get over yourself!!!!

I am willing to bet you "thumb your nose" at many of your "countrymen". There are a lot of African Americans in the U.S. and what it comes down to with far too many people is race. I listen to one radio program in particular with a heavy Southern and middle American listenership and not a day goes by when several of my "countrymen" call in to ask the host, who is Pro-Obama, "How can you vote for a N****r?!!!!" I don't have this hang up. Talk about any inexperience issues you want all day long, but when the strongest argument one can present is based upon race there is a tremendous problem in our country. It's a sad world we live in where we basically all have to gamble on who's going to run our lives the best. Personally, I think decentralization and states rights would be fine, but then who would support all the people out there who feel they're owed a life and whatever money and items they need to live on. I've been working steadily since the age of 15 and I am now pushing 40 and everyday I get mad/depressed at having to pay into our social welfare system for people who are to lazy to get their own. You go visit a low income or section 8 housing unit for 24 hours and watch woman after woman entertain several gentlemen and then drag their 7 kids all by different fathers out for ice cream and a crack rock and then get back to me on how great this country is. I don't want to leave and I think it can be fixed, but it isn't going to be anytime soon and it certainly isn't going to be with politics as usual.
 
Correct me if I am wrong. This article basically says we should all love a "woman" acting like a man, who kills her own food, and can read a teleprompter? Oh wait and also due to adversity, she became the governor of a state with less population than many major cities and dare I say whose intelligent citizens move the Hell away from there as soon as they are able to.

As of 2006, the population of Alaska was 670,053.

As of 2006, the population of Delaware was 853,476.

Sarah Palin's opponent, Sen. Joe Biden, is the Senator from Delaware. Joe Biden has been a U.S. Senator for 22 years. He has managed nothing. He has never met a payroll, nor has he ever produced anything. He is part of the business-as-usual team and an entrenched Washington politician.

Governor Palin has demonstrated her skills at running an entire state. She has ruined the corrupt bureaucratic mess that she promised to end, and in the process, has produced a budget surplus and has returned over $3000 to every qualified man, woman and child in the state.

So, what was your point again ...?? bongsmilie

Vi
 
So which is it gonna be with you guys? Man if I have no experience, I can't run the country, but then damn if you have too much experience, I am a Washington insider corrupted by years and years of dealing with politics as usual, backroom boysclubs, and lobbyists. Before you go slamming lobbyist as a whole, I would consider groups such as NORML fall into this category. You can't have your cakes and eat them too. All the arguments you are presenting can be reversed easily by me and all my arguments to you can be reversed by you. You are not going to convince me in 1 million years to agree with your point of view, and it seems the same holds true with you. I say we agree to disagree. Now if we keep harping on the subject is to say that you are trying to find the "sheep" in this society that will listen to your words and somehow be swayed because they cannot form an opinion for themselves. This is the way it goes and why people inevitably need to be babysat from being handed whatever they want since birth.
 
Well, with what you've posted above, your best bet is the Libertarian or Constitution Party. They'll never get elected in this life time though, so you'll be better off voting for the candidate that is the most fiscally conservative ... and that would be McCain and Palin as opposed to Obama bin Biden. :eyesmoke:

Vi
 
Get over yourself!!!!

I am willing to bet you "thumb your nose" at many of your "countrymen". There are a lot of African Americans in the U.S. and what it comes down to with far too many people is race. I listen to one radio program in particular with a heavy Southern and middle American listenership and not a day goes by when several of my "countrymen" call in to ask the host, who is Pro-Obama, "How can you vote for a N****r?!!!!" I don't have this hang up. Talk about any inexperience issues you want all day long, but when the strongest argument one can present is based upon race there is a tremendous problem in our country. It's a sad world we live in where we basically all have to gamble on who's going to run our lives the best. Personally, I think decentralization and states rights would be fine, but then who would support all the people out there who feel they're owed a life and whatever money and items they need to live on. I've been working steadily since the age of 15 and I am now pushing 40 and everyday I get mad/depressed at having to pay into our social welfare system for people who are to lazy to get their own. You go visit a low income or section 8 housing unit for 24 hours and watch woman after woman entertain several gentlemen and then drag their 7 kids all by different fathers out for ice cream and a crack rock and then get back to me on how great this country is. I don't want to leave and I think it can be fixed, but it isn't going to be anytime soon and it certainly isn't going to be with politics as usual.

Listen up boy...Don't even dare throw that Race Card shit at my ass lest I feed it to you through your ass. I grew up in the Barrio. I grew up being called an "Oakie", capiche? I grew up being the only "White Boy" in Decoto and I bear some disfiguring scars across my chest from being jumped, and subsequently knifed, by 5 Lowriders over a 6-pack of beer. Visit "low income"? I lived it. I ate spam and Mac n' Cheese while my neighbors, many of whom were Welfare recipients, ate steak. Don't EVEN speak to me about that shit until you've walked a mile in my shoes, got it?

Furthermore, it was YOU who clearly stated that the "intelligent" people have left Alaska. Well, I've got news for you...I have family still there and they are far from ignorant and/or stupid. They work hard, they've earned what they have. Therefore, you are stating that my family is not intelligent. My family have lived 4 generations in Alaska. Additionally, I never even once intimated anything about African-Americans. Get over myself? Puhleeeze. You may consider yourself lucky that you didn't shit this out of your piehole in my presence. Ask anyone here, you ignoramus, I don't play the race card.
 
How bout a nice counterpoint Vi ... I'm sure you will be interested in this article/Op-ed from the LA Times ...

Opinion
Palin: wrong woman, wrong message


Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
By Gloria Steinem



September 4, 2008

Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere. It's not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too many of us for that. It's about baking a new pie.

Selecting Sarah Palin, who was touted all summer by Rush Limbaugh, is no way to attract most women, including die-hard Clinton supporters. Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Clinton. Her down-home, divisive and deceptive speech did nothing to cosmeticize a Republican convention that has more than twice as many male delegates as female, a presidential candidate who is owned and operated by the right wing and a platform that opposes pretty much everything Clinton's candidacy stood for -- and that Barack Obama's still does. To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody stole my shoes, so I'll amputate my legs."

This is not to beat up on Palin. I defend her right to be wrong, even on issues that matter most to me. I regret that people say she can't do the job because she has children in need of care, especially if they wouldn't say the same about a father. I get no pleasure from imagining her in the spotlight on national and foreign policy issues about which she has zero background, with one month to learn to compete with Sen. Joe Biden's 37 years' experience.

Palin has been honest about what she doesn't know. When asked last month about the vice presidency, she said, "I still can't answer that question until someone answers for me: What is it exactly that the VP does every day?" When asked about Iraq, she said, "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."


She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and she's won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a $1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain's campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income or sales tax. Perhaps McCain has opposed affirmative action for so long that he doesn't know it's about inviting more people to meet standards, not lowering them. Or perhaps McCain is following the Bush administration habit, as in the Justice Department, of putting a job candidate's views on "God, guns and gays" ahead of competence. The difference is that McCain is filling a job one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency.

So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen Palin out of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference between form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing ideologues; the same ones who nixed anyone who is now or ever has been a supporter of reproductive freedom. If that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows what a vice president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine. McCain could have taken a baby step away from right-wing patriarchs who determine his actions, right down to opposing the Violence Against Women Act.

Palin's value to those patriarchs is clear: She opposes just about every issue that women support by a majority or plurality. She believes that creationism should be taught in public schools but disbelieves global warming; she opposes gun control but supports government control of women's wombs; she opposes stem cell research but approves "abstinence-only" programs, which increase unwanted births, sexually transmitted diseases and abortions; she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation; she runs with a candidate who opposes the Fair Pay Act but supports $500 million in subsidies for a natural gas pipeline across Alaska; she supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, though even McCain has opted for the lesser evil of offshore drilling. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.

I don't doubt her sincerity. As a lifetime member of the National Rifle Assn., she doesn't just support killing animals from helicopters, she does it herself. She doesn't just talk about increasing the use of fossil fuels but puts a coal-burning power plant in her own small town. She doesn't just echo McCain's pledge to criminalize abortion by overturning Roe vs. Wade, she says that if one of her daughters were impregnated by rape or incest, she should bear the child. She not only opposes reproductive freedom as a human right but implies that it dictates abortion, without saying that it also protects the right to have a child.

So far, the major new McCain supporter that Palin has attracted is James Dobson of Focus on the Family. Of course, for Dobson, "women are merely waiting for their husbands to assume leadership," so he may be voting for Palin's husband.

Being a hope-a-holic, however, I can see two long-term bipartisan gains from this contest.

Republicans may learn they can't appeal to right-wing patriarchs and most women at the same time. A loss in November could cause the centrist majority of Republicans to take back their party, which was the first to support the Equal Rights Amendment and should be the last to want to invite government into the wombs of women.

And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.

This could be huge.

Gloria Steinem is an author, feminist organizer and co-founder of the Women's Media Center. She supported Hillary Clinton and is now supporting Barack Obama.

GrowRebel is a liberal that does not support corporatist candidates selected by corporate amerika ... :fire:
 
Listen up boy...Don't even dare throw that Race Card shit at my ass lest I feed it to you through your ass. I grew up in the Barrio. I grew up being called an "Oakie", capiche? I grew up being the only "White Boy" in Decoto and I bear some disfiguring scars across my chest from being jumped, and subsequently knifed, by 5 Lowriders over a 6-pack of beer. Visit "low income"? I lived it. I ate spam and Mac n' Cheese while my neighbors, many of whom were Welfare recipients, ate steak. Don't EVEN speak to me about that shit until you've walked a mile in my shoes, got it?

Furthermore, it was YOU who clearly stated that the "intelligent" people have left Alaska. Well, I've got news for you...I have family still there and they are far from ignorant and/or stupid. They work hard, they've earned what they have. Therefore, you are stating that my family is not intelligent. My family have lived 4 generations in Alaska. Additionally, I never even once intimated anything about African-Americans. Get over myself? Puhleeeze. You may consider yourself lucky that you didn't shit this out of your piehole in my presence. Ask anyone here, you ignoramus, I don't play the race card.
Big bad Bubba strikes. Shut up or I'll kick your ass. Neanderthall like (See Avatar) and a bully, Dave challenges anyone that gets under his skin to a fight. Ask me how I know. In the day of the gun, big and bad don't mean squat. Mouthing off to a 90lb weakling may get your ticket punched. Just because someone disagrees with Dave should not be an invitation to a cage match. I for one am tired of his big bad bully ass. He has threatened me more than once on this site and rest assured, I won't be doing any fist fighting, and Dave, that picture of you is not intimidating like you would like. It reminds me of a moronic zombie, but that is only the good news, the bad news is I know what you look like and you don't know me from squat. Signed Med.
 
How bout a nice counterpoint Vi ... I'm sure you will be interested in this article/Op-ed from the LA Times ...

Opinion
Palin: wrong woman, wrong message

Sure, GR ...

Gloria Steinem has proven nothing, other than her organization isn't for women at all. They are a one-issue organization, and that one issue is abortion. So yes, in that context Gloria Steinem is correct ... Palin is the wrong woman at the wrong time for the Right to Death advocates. I mean, take a look at Palin. She's everything the woman's movement claims that they are for; A woman who is independent, a loving mother, has a career outside the home, has a nurturing husband, operates very comfortably and successfully in a predominately male world, ... BUT, she is Pro Life and a Conservative! So, as you can see, Gloria Steinem and the Woman's Movement aren't really Pro-Woman at all ... they are only pro LIBERAL women who agree with their agenda of eugenics.

Vi
 
Vi, I've heard you railing against abortion before.

have you ever been pregnant?

As I'm guessing you haven't I suggest you STFU until you've been in a situation where you have to choose what you do with your womb.
 
Vi, I've heard you railing against abortion before.

have you ever been pregnant?

As I'm guessing you haven't I suggest you STFU until you've been in a situation where you have to choose what you do with your womb.

Your grand children sure are lucky to have you, Vi. Some, obviously, weren't so lucky.
 
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