spider mites !! can peroxide fix this!!!!!!!!repppp rep
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purplehays1
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Ok, so i googled your repoort and it nowhere says non hazardous to humans, you are just making shit up. As i said it is less harmful than many pesticides but still harmful to humans, thus the required PPE.
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/registration/ais/publicreports/5858.pdf
DPR’s evaluation of the acute toxicity studies indicates that these spiromesifen products are low in mammalian toxicity. DPR toxicologists determined that the differences in formulations between the two end-use products and BSN 2060 were unlikely to be of toxicological concern.
Table from the same site gives an Acute Toxicity Category of 3 for dermal/inhaled which is classified as SLIGHTLY TOXIC. Meaning it is harmful to humans, just not as harmful as many other pesticides, doesn't that sound exactly like what ive said all along?
explosive82
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Haha yea i was just trying to be helpful
I looked up testing req in my area and i found this http://public.health.oregon.gov/DiseasesConditions/ChronicDisease/MedicalMarijuanaProgram/documents/rules/333-007-0400-0410-Exhibit-A-Tables3-4.pdf
Would forbid/avid/floramite fail me if i used them in veg? like 10 weeks or so before harvest? I don't really understand how the ppm/residuals work in these so any information would be golden.
purplehays1
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Nah in veg throw anything you want at em. just dont spray anything once buds develop. If you have mites hit them with a systemic and a topical, like Avid and Floramite.
purplehays1
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Vacuum is the best option when ur like 2 weeks from harvest, get in there and start vacuuming webs before they reach buds.
purplehays1
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https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/01/16/2013-00728/spiromesifen-pesticide-tolerances
Spiromesifen was classified as having low acute toxicity via the oral, dermal and inhalation routes of exposure. It was neither an eye nor dermal irritant, but showed moderate potential as a skin contact sensitizer. In short- and long-term animal toxicity tests, the critical effects observed were loss of body weight, adrenal effects (discoloration, decrease in fine vesticulation, and the presence of cytoplasmic eosinophilia in zona fasciculata cells), thyroid effects (increased thyroid stimulating hormone, increased thyroxine binding capacity, decreased T3 and T4 levels, colloidal alteration and thyroid follicular cell hypertrophy), liver effects (increased alkaline phosphatase, alanine transaminase (ALT) and decreased cholesterol, and triglycerides), and spleen effects (atrophy, decreased spleen cell count, and increased macrophages). There were no developmental or reproductive effects of concern following oral administration of spiromesifen in rats or rabbits. EPA concluded that spiromesifen is not likely to be carcinogenic to humans based on a lack of evidence of cancer in bioassays in rats and mice. There were no in vivo or in vitromutagenic effects in mutagenicity testing with spiromesifen. Spiromesifen is not considered a neurotoxic chemical based on the chemical's mode of action and the available data from multiple studies, including acute and subchronic neurotoxicity studies.
These are mamalian studies id love to see the stuff you read on human toxicolody. Please link the university study that says its "non harmful to humans" because everything i read says it has low toxicity, but that means its still harmful. So telling people the shit is harmless is 100% BULLSHIT and irresponsible.
purplehays1
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4.2 Resistance management guidelines To prevent or delay resistance development it is strongly recommended to follow the IRAC (Insecticide Resistance Action Committee; www.irac-online.org) 496 Pflanzenschutz-Nachrichten Bayer 58/2005, 3 guideline especially published for spider mites (Wege and Leonard, 1994). Furthermore spiromesifen is an excellent resistance management tool in combination/rotation strategies with imidacloprid considering applications against whiteflies (Guthrie et al., 2003). The following general guidelines are recommended for use with spiromesifen: • The compound should be used only up to four times per cropping cycle on any one crop, and a combination/rotation with compounds from a different mode of action group is strongly recommended. • Use compound at manufacturer’s recommended rates and timings. The recommended dosage rates which reliably control pests under normal conditions should be used as recommended on the label. • Effective doses should be used when applying tank mixtures. • Ensure that uniform spray coverage is achieved. • Compounds should be used in such a way that detrimental effects on beneficial insects and mites are minimised. • Monitoring should be conducted to detect early signs of resistance. • If signs of reduced efficacy become evident, follow-up treatments should not be carried out with an active ingredient of the same chemical class.
While Forbid is great when used in combination with a systemic at preventing tolerance, it still happens all the fucking time. Thus the makers (Bayer) recommending you use MULTIPLE PRODUCTS to make sure you kill every mite and thus you prevent tolerance. The bullshit needs to stop being spewed. This website should spread correct information.
explosive82
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I guess my question is after like 10 weeks is it reasonable to expect the residual to be very low?
AnimalMother1974
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This may be a worthy product. It has many good reviews but is it safe for cannabis is unknown.
This may be a worthy product. It has many good reviews but is it safe for cannabis is unknown.
purplehays1
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U clearly have been proven wrong on both points, but i agree with your thinking, id rather use forbid than avid or floramite because it is much less toxic and highly effective.Great - here goes this shit again!
How about YOU read the toxicology reports your self! and I quote " found as not harmful to humans" in any normal application rate or concentration!
As far as packaging goes. THAT is a GENERIC FEDERAL MANDATE! Labeling on any insecticide IS a geralazation for the level it's rated. Forbid is a "Caution" level label ! It has almost NOTHING to due with just how toxic it is!
IT IS NOT A VERY HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL!
You must be a Republican for your affinity to spread fear and misinformation!READ THE FACTS! I TOLD YOU HOW!
BarnBuster
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fixed it for you
Dr. Who
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I'm not a fan of AVID or Flora........I liked Forbid better.....my choice.
All you have to do is put 8 - 10 drops of Forbid in a gallon of water. lightly mist the top surface's of the plant and in 5-7 they'll be gone.
I like to hit the media surface with a contact like neem or even a Pyreth to gat any in transit.
A nice once over the grow with a bleach sanitizing solution will help long term, no return.
I used forbid and cleaned the grow well and have not been reinfected for around 5 years.....
Forbid is THE thing for Russet and Broad mites.....
Dr. Who
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I gave you the key and supplied the links.....at the other post. There is a Euro study linked there too. They are MUCH harder on testing then our gov. We could go on pasting cuts from papers for hrs. We'll each look for only our point and you really have none anyway. Your to lazy to look mine up your self, and I'm not your Mama, so holding your hand and walking you through it - isn't happening!
tebya ne ebut, ti ne podmakhivai,,,mudak
Dr. Who
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YES!
Dr. Who
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They come out of the woodwork all too often when Forbid is mentioned!
He didn't have the mental capacity to figure out you can Google for tox reports - then quotes the one he favors, because I wouldn't take him by the hand and show him my self.
He didn't even figure out he can google the actual chemical name (Tetronic acid, one of a whole group of them - not the Bayer branded name) and find out even more!
Like it's an organic acid
It kills by blocking lipid fat absorption (same as insecticidal soaps) causing desiccation.
Can not be called organic because of the binder that's used to carry the actual acid....
One of those "don't use that ! it's a poison folks!" Didn't see him say anything about SEVIN earlier, and that's a "real" naughty insecticide!
Can't read a tox report for the concentrations used to test the mamilian tox responce either! The fact that those amounts are as high and higher then the concentraite being sold at the point of actually seeing any of the things he mentions...
Posts cuts from the fed. reports that are biased and over stated. Has NO real knowlege about the realities of the Federal labeling laws! He even listed Imid. in a post! With NO caution on that rather nasty insecticide! Neonictinoids (new ones for now) are NOT getting approval anymore by the Fed.! BAD JUJU!
BarnBuster
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Dr. Who
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I have had some for 5 years and gave a cpl of mixed gallons to a friend in march. Worked fine for him..I keep mine in a brown glass pressure caped little bottle. No evaporation to speak of and every time I go by it on my work bench shelf, I shake it......So I haven't found a shelf life yet...
RM3
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Tis also used ON humans as a skin peel
Forbid is 40 some %
Oberon is 23 %
And this freaking skin creme for humans is 12 % for $16 for 1.6 oz's
http://www.drugstore.com/alpha-hydrox-aha-souffle-12-glycolic-aha/qxp141163?catid=182992
The active ingredient in forbid is a tetronic acid, well so is Alpha Hydroxy, a tetronic acid that is
fandango
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How long will the mites live in my vacuum?