nobody important 666
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No it doesn't because a fetus is not a person until born. Thats why abortion is legal.
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CarpeNocturnum
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I swear by Apollo The Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, byPanacea, and by all the Gods and Goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture.
To hold my teacher in this art equal to my own parents; to make him partner in my livelihood; when he is in need of money to share mine with him; to consider his family as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they want to learn it, without fee or indenture; to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the physician’s oath, but to nobody else.
I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein.
Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets.
Now if I carry out this oath, and break it not, may I gain for ever reputation among all men for my life and for my art; but if I transgress it and forswear myself, may the opposite befall me.[5]
Third paragraph
My mentioning of the Hippocratic oath is in regards to having the ability to discuss with your primary care physician or specialist the details of the condition you are suffering from and having options as to what method you want to move forward with to treat the symptomatology. It was meant to explain that you do not have to just take a prescription (i.e. opioids) if you are not comfortable with that process and can seek alternative healthcare (i.e. medical cannabis) from another medical professional if that is what you believe will help you with the least amount of side effects. It was by no means any comment about abortion or the implications of any other health practice that may seem morally questionable. I believe you are misrepresenting my intended purpose and in doing so are fallaciously arguing against a position I did not proffer.
I have had good and bad relationships with doctors and have cycled through a few before I was able to find one that was able to work with me in a manner that was productive and not entirely one sided because that is not helpful to a lot of patients. I ask for a referral to a specialist and my doctor complies each and every time because I am respectful and tactful in my approach. That is my empirical knowledge and why I stated the facts that I did in regards to having a doctor work with me. It is no joke to go without proper health care and a good support network.
The mere fact you are providing advice to lie to your landlord and to go about something you deem to be acceptable when if it is you should have the forthright and nerve to ask for permission like an adult instead of hiding behind a story(vegetable garden) like a petulant child is revealing of your true character.
I have had good and bad relationships with doctors and have cycled through a few before I was able to find one that was able to work with me in a manner that was productive and not entirely one sided because that is not helpful to a lot of patients. I ask for a referral to a specialist and my doctor complies each and every time because I am respectful and tactful in my approach. That is my empirical knowledge and why I stated the facts that I did in regards to having a doctor work with me. It is no joke to go without proper health care and a good support network.
The mere fact you are providing advice to lie to your landlord and to go about something you deem to be acceptable when if it is you should have the forthright and nerve to ask for permission like an adult instead of hiding behind a story(vegetable garden) like a petulant child is revealing of your true character.
CarpeNocturnum
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First of all I want to apologize for being so rude as of recently. I've been in a lot of pain, not that it's an excuse.
That goes to you as well GB123.
Have been in a fog of pain the last few weeks as i can't afford my script.
Second, my super is a capital C conservative who views Stephen Harper as a saint and Marijuana as the devil.
What's that point of trying to reason with a man who flat out rejects science ?
Also anyone listening to my advice should be smart enough to ask a lawyer.
I am not going to ask to be discriminated against. The law does not require me to get my landlord's consent and I will not damage the apartment.
It's a moot point.
Morality is relative.
There is no good, no evil. JUST US.
and as long as im not hurting anybody else or causing a danger to anyone else there is no harm.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.
There is no law beyond do what thou wilt.
I very much understand where you are coming from and I do sincerely accept your apology and offer mine to you as well. I have a similar temperament when discussing social injustice and fascism. People need to be able to have choices and go about their business in a manner in which they see fit and that works for their personal lifestyle and when that is stymied by somebody else for nothing more than the fact they don't believe someone else should have the agency to live their life how they see fit, that enrages me as I have been classed and categorized on many occasions. I have a fire that burns deep inside me because of my invisible disability and the judgement I receive on a constant basis of being lazy, inept and a drug addict when in reality I am none of those things and believe others have a hard time adjusting to understanding anothers perspective and I am guilty of that in our conversation.
I didn't mean to talk down to anyone (my comment regarding economics and social class...i have struggled financially as well as socially due to my health condition. Even when I had a good job I was still under the pendulum due to my health issues).
It is very unfortunate that your landlord is a staunch conservative, they often share a viewpoint that is concrete in its ability to be unwavering but it is not based in logic and fact but emotion and personal perspective that often falls into a close minded approach that is akin to an ostrich burying their head in the sand. That didn't cross my mind when I was rebutting in our conversation and that is not fair to you. That is a tough spot to be in and I hope you can get your relief from your own garden as well as the enjoyment and therapeutic benefits of the act of gardening itself.
I don't want anybody to go without or to suffer. The growing of your medicine is and will be a right you have and I don't mean to disrespect you in that regard, I was offering an alternate viewpoint but I now see I was being insensitive to the plight suffered by others, which was not my intent.
Sow em and grow em
the difference between you and the ones who seem to be with you on this ....is that they couldn't give a rats ass about how ill you may be.
They only care about their "legal ? shwag " they buy from LP's and think that having their "pink piece" is a stay out of trouble card
They dont realize due to their ignorance, lack of knowledge, that it's a STAY ALIVE DEAL that has nothing to do with a card or being legal.
VIANARCHRIS
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Think of it this way. The war on cannabis is over...we won, it's just hard for some (on both sides) to wrap their heads around it. There will be little 'skirmishes' like access to doctors and possession limits, but for all intents and purposes, the fight is over. Notice how they reiterated that dispensaries are illegal, yet there is no federal or provincial initiative to crack down. Local governments and police forces are so fucking confused about what is or isn't allowed at this point that if you are growing and using for your own medical need, with or without documents, nobody is going to waste their time trying to prosecute..imho. With legalization the rules will change again. The only difference between med and rec use will be the need to have a permit for increased plant counts and possession amounts. I'm not suggesting anyone break the law 'just because', but if you have a legitimate medical need, don't let the lack of paperwork stop you from treating yourself.
doingdishes
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Aleister Crowley quote...nice!
really ill people don't care about asking permission to treat themsleves.
they just do it because its legal now in canada to do so...
the paper work is just paper work...no one is going to jail if they are sick.
on and on about a pink piece in hopes of getting the fix....
this is what happens most times....regardless...
JungleStrikeGuy
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Not a by a long shot is the 'war' over. Right now the LP's and their lobby group have a captive audience in Ottawa, craft growers have tried time and again to get an audience with Blair after being given the runaround by Justice and Health. I'm not really sure how you can seriously suggest there's no dispensary crackdown given what's going on across the country, it's the worst in Ontario / Toronto right now, but dispensaries in Alberta, BC, etc are also being shut down.
You can bet the CNMMA will be singing the evils of letting people grow their own until April of next year. MADD Canada is also lobbying for their own version of prohibition laws. Conservatives will turn the HOC into a circus over the legalization bill, and if you think that doesn't matter to the Liberals, they won't repeal Bill C-2 that essentially prohibits supervised injection sites, and docs leaked from the Justice department show they're concerned about what is 'politically viable' when it comes to reforming mandatory minimum sentences. Not to mention what will happen in the Senate, what hostile provinces / municipalities will try to do to stymie legalization, etc.
SirLoweed
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I've started a post about my experience here...https://www.rollitup.org/t/dr-signed-acmpr-paperwork-easy-peasy.919371/#post-12911557
VIANARCHRIS
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The war being over is a matter of perception. I'm not trying to start a craft grower business and I no longer have any fear of arrest. I can grow, I can use and I can make oils and edibles... and so can everybody else...I call that a win. Your argument, like many others on here, is based on suppositions and fiction.
The LP's are not going to determine what med or rec looks like. They are scrambling now trying to get the best position, but they don't dictate the freedoms of Canadians. Which dispensaries have been raided since the new rules came out a week ago? Dispensaries are being licensed by many cities and communities, and tolerated by many more. Nearly 50% of doctors surveyed feel dispensaries should continue as retail outlets. I'm really not sure where this 'crackdown' idea comes from.
Much like the LP lobby, the CNMMA, MADD, Pam McColl or anybody else will have little influence on medical or legalization. The Liberal re-election hopes depend on satisfying the majority...none of those groups lobbying have the voting numbers for their stance to be accepted over the majority. Make your views known.
The Conservatives have no power in the house and most in the senate are trying to stay quiet and extend their time at the trough. Just like Trudeau and Mulcair were powerless to stop Harper from destroying the country, the CONs are powerless to stop the Liberals...legalization will happen the way the Liberals design it and on the time-table they outline. I'm not sure where safe injection sites fit into the conversation, but did you hear Vancouver just opened it's second? I have not heard any indication that the Liberals are considering shutting them down. I have also not heard anything about the mandatory minimums for cannabis, but with legalization a year away, I really don't see any government spending time debating MM for anything not involving weapons or violence. 'hostile provinces / municipalities'? Which province or town has such an aversion to a new tax revenue stream that they would violate the rights of it's citizens? Assuming one was so wealthy they didn't need any more money, which part of the laws governing municipalities allows for them to restrict the use of a legal product? Unless the entire town council is planning on retiring at the conclusion of their term, it wouldn't be a great career move. Once cannabis is a federally legal product, there is very little anyone can do to stop someone else from using it in a 'legal' fashion. Short of limiting where retail outlets can set up shop, they are powerless.
Anyway, it doesn't seem like we're going to agree anytime soon, but I'm happy to sit back and enjoy the fruits of a lifetime of pro-cannabis activism. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Not very likely, but possible! Lol!
WHATFG
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Such a Canadian response!...love it...
PKHydro
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Lol. I was thinking the exact same thing!
I was going to say it's good to see you all being so Canadian. We may not all agree on every little point, but we all gotta agree we are making good steps in the right direction!
johny sunset
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Wait, you think this a good example to prove your point? The guy was growing illegally and the cops busted him.....now he might lose his job. Sounds great!!....he is definitely acting like a "real patient " according to you. I wonder how that scenario would have played out had he decide to get his grow permit via HC ?really ill people don't care about asking permission to treat themsleves.
they just do it because its legal now in canada to do so...
the paper work is just paper work...no one is going to jail if they are sick.
on and on about a pink piece in hopes of getting the fix....
this is what happens most times....regardless...
No thanks gb. I'll wait for my legal right to grow. Don't need that kinda drama in my life.....also like having a job too.
But for all you "Real patients " out there....you go do what evers best for you and yours.
johny sunset
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Thank bro. I gave your comment a like on your original post. Hopefully everybody has the same experience as you
R.Raider
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lmao, right??? That's a perfect example of what happens when do you things illegally, patient/sick or not. You can't just go do whatever you want just because you're "really sick" and expect no consequences for it.Wait, you think this a good example to prove your point? The guy was growing illegally and the cops busted him.....now he might lose his job. Sounds great!!....he is definitely acting like a "real patient " according to you. I wonder how that scenario would have played out had he decide to get his grow permit via HC ?
No thanks gb. I'll wait for my legal right to grow. Don't need that kinda drama in my life.....also like having a job too.
But for all you "Real patients " out there....you go do what evers best for you and yours.
It blows my mind on his perspective of these things but each to their own. He actually thinks this is proving his point somehow lol.
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"legally prescribed medical marijuana yet "all documents" and dried cannabis were illegal and they did not have a right to having dried cannabis."
what part about having a pink piece helped them???
the three plants were illegal..not the dried pot, they had a license for which they showed.
Good luck with that pink piece helping you .....
in a year...I doubt they'll even have to look for a pink piece unless you are caught with over a certain amount.... it'll still leave you open to be searched so they can satisfy their curiosity.......
and next you'll say they're not like that....
here...can you lick this please so we can check for THC intoxicants?
what part about having a pink piece helped them???
the three plants were illegal..not the dried pot, they had a license for which they showed.
Good luck with that pink piece helping you .....
in a year...I doubt they'll even have to look for a pink piece unless you are caught with over a certain amount.... it'll still leave you open to be searched so they can satisfy their curiosity.......
and next you'll say they're not like that....
here...can you lick this please so we can check for THC intoxicants?