'Why we hate you': ISIS reveal 6 reasons why they despise Westerners

[OGEvilgenius]

Really, you've never seen anybody compare Jesus's teachings to communism? Are you new to the internet?

Damn, I really wish you could just comprehend the millions ways I've explained the same exact point. Here it is one more time:

Stalin being atheist has zero influence on his decision to kill. The definition of atheism doesn't in any way, shape, or form call for the killing of anybody. He is a real atheist, but his rationale for killing comes from elsewhere.

Back to topic, I think there is an argument that Christianity can be twisted logically by a person to justify murder (ex: murdering a homosexual because God says homosexuality is a sin: obviously most Christians today would argue against this, but probably not 200 years ago). IMO that simply isn't possible with Atheism, it doesn't make rational, logical sense. This is the last time I'm typing this.

If you think religion is the problem, murder can easily become logical. It's why every single movement that attempted to blame a single group of people for the world's problems has extremists who suggest killing the supposed problem group.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you think religion is the problem, murder can easily become logical.

so is it safe to say you want to murder non-whites, since you identify "multiculturalism" as a problem?

 

[PCXV]

If you think religion is the problem, murder can easily become logical. It's why every single movement that attempted to blame a single group of people for the world's problems has extremists who suggest killing the supposed problem group.

Again, something is being added to atheism. Atheism itself does not in any way even hint to viewing religion or religious people as "the problem". That would fall under other ideologies like fascism. Atheism does not equal fascism.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

so is it safe to say you want to murder non-whites, since you identify "multiculturalism" as a problem?

I said the cultural marxists were a problem (because they're violent shit lords who want to establish a totalitarian communist state and are using race and gender to divide people deliberately - with a lot of help from useful idiots).

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Again, something is being added to atheism. Atheism itself does not in any way even hint to viewing religion or religious people as "the problem". That would fall under other ideologies like fascism. Atheism does not equal fascism.

Fair enough. Although I'd argue that I don't know of many Atheists who do not view religion as a problem.

 

[PCXV]

Fair enough. Although I'd argue that I don't know of many Atheists who do not view religion as a problem.

In what way do they describe religion as a problem? I think very, very few view it as such a big problem that it justifies murdering people.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

In what way do they describe religion as a problem? I think very, very few view it as such a big problem that it justifies murdering people.

And most Nazi's did not want to kill all the Jews, but yet enough did and the rest of them weren't going to fight it because it involved too much risk and they already viewed them as less than themselves.

Most seem to ascribe the problem to the fact that it's not based on objective reality and that religious beliefs tend to be unwavering.

 

[trippytrappy]

should all fuck off bk to there own land , dirty stinking cunts

 

[PCXV]

And most Nazi's did not want to kill all the Jews, but yet enough did and the rest of them weren't going to fight it because it involved too much risk and they already viewed them as less than themselves.

Most seem to ascribe the problem to the fact that it's not based on objective reality and that religious beliefs tend to be unwavering.

That slippery slope could be used for any radicalized belief system but other factors that led to the rise of the Nazi party must be considered.

Murder is worse than having unrealistic, unwavering beleifs, making murder irrationale. Stopping a wrong by commiting a worse wrong?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Here's an AMA on Reddit from an ISIS fighter

https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/3ulkob/islamic_state_isisisilis_fighter_taking_questions/?st=istwo2cr&sh=0d7b817a

Questions;

1. I work with several muslims, and I know two very well. They are great people, smart, kind, funny, confident, and loyal. They denounce the acts of IS, on the grounds of it not being in line with Muslim core-teachings. But mostly that, even if it was, it offends them to the core. When you see the atrocities being committed by your brothers (and possibly you), does it not affect you? Do you see it as justified or necessary? Or do you see nothing wrong with it at all?
2. You don't have to be Sun Tzu to see the writing on the wall. Even if this really was considered to be a war of attrition by IS leaders, none of the great economies are bankrupting themselves in the battle. We spend crazy amounts of money on exercises. We trash loads of ordinance that expire. The war on IS is simply another place to keep our troops sharp and get rid of old ordinance we don't need anymore. The modern world won't attrite before IS ground to dust. What possible end-game can you see? Or is martyrdom your goal?
3. I feel it's important to understand your enemy. I'm familiar with the Torah, Bible, and Quran. I respect your beliefs and your rights to have them. I understand the views of IS, based on their many public releases. Based on your predilection for extremism, it's not possible for you to safely occupy the same land as my friends and family. Because of your willingness to violently impose your will on others, the only thing we can do with you is imprison or eliminate you. There aren't any other options. Do you feel you understand your enemy? Do you understand my mindset and, if so, is my desire to simply raise my family in peace, absent your faith, too much of and impasse for you?
4. You could potentially live next door to me, raise a family, go to your Mosque, live a full and happy life. The only thing you can't do, is hurt and subjugate others, without reprisal and consequences. Ultimately, your ideas, that you could have passed on to your sons and daughters will die with you. Do you have any sense of loss for the life you could have had?

Answers;

1. Not everybody who claims to be a Muslim actually understands the core meaning of being a Muslim (in all aspects of life), and thus it's normal for those people to look at us and call us a bunch of barbarians while all that we are doing is implementing the same beliefs they claim to believe in. If they would truly understand Islam and live according to it their attitude towards us would be very different.
2. Nations greater in power and stronger than the United States have been destroyed in the past, they just like yourself thought that they were untouchable, strong and everlasting - but when our Lord Wills it's end game for the United States as a superpower and maybe you'll live long enough to witness it for yourself. And yes our ultimate goal is always Martyrdom for the sake of our Lord, but that could be today or tomorrow or even 20 years from now only God knows.
3. There are many Christians living under the Islamic State, and like you so desire they live in peace and go about in their daily lives. They pay the State Jiziyah once a year depending on their wealth and can reside peacefully in Muslim lands under our protection without anybody harming them. I've lived most of my life in Europe and fully understand you and your perspective - and I wish we could have a cup of coffee and I could explain it to you in full details but the circumstances are a bit complicated for that scenario
4. True, but I would be the Muslim you desire me to be, not the Muslim my Lord orders us to be, Islam outside of the Islamic State is often politically correct and suffers censorship and other restrictions. Here we live Islam the way our Lord ordered us to live it, and by the Traditions of the Prophet of Islam. And we thank our Lord for that, and are willing to spill our blood for it and that of our families without a second thought.

 

[Padawanbater2]

To be clear, the Dutch ISIS fighter who gave that AMA was just killed in an airstrike;

https://twitter.com/clarissaward/status/772870764957671424

 

[ttystikk]

Americans bomb Muslims by remote control, without provocation, warning or a declaration of hostilities. They murder civilians indiscriminately from the sky with no rhyme or reason to those on the ground. They most certainly do not apologize,but rather go on television- their own networks, so there can be no mistake- bragging about how they kill Muslim 'terrorists' around the world.

I'm not surprised they have so many sympathizers.

Americans kill innocent people every day with drone strikes, death from above with no warning. If it was your brother, father, son or husband, how would you feel?

Americans clearly have found a way to make a profit from all this killing, otherwise why would they seek to expand a military that's already got a bigger budget than the next DOZEN LARGEST MILITARY BUDGETS IN THE WORLD, COMBINED?

Surely they aren't that paranoid, just power hungry, selfish and greedy as only multinational corporations can be?

And you all wonder why I'm a leftist. I'm also an advocate for peace and disarmament, but that would hurt the profits of the arms makers. Profits that overwhelmingly flow to the one percent and above, leaving the rest of us to foot the bill for mass murder on an historic, global scale.

The one percent who own big blocs of stock in defense companies are the real enemy. They're just happy as fuck to hide behind the right wing rednecks- who will even volunteer to be their cannon fodder.

How many Americans have they killed? It's just as legitimate to ask how many innocents have WE killed, yet somehow expect to be held above reproach?

 

[ttystikk]

No wonder the right wing watches so much Faux Spews; if they knew/admitted the truth, they'd be sick with disgust for themselves.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

That slippery slope could be used for any radicalized belief system but other factors that led to the rise of the Nazi party must be considered.

Murder is worse than having unrealistic, unwavering beleifs, making murder irrationale. Stopping a wrong by commiting a worse wrong?

It's not a slippery slope argument. If you believe one group is responsible for all the worlds problems - and this is very much true for many ideologies - it isn't illogical to want to kill them. It is illogical to believe that any one group is responsible for all the world's problems however. It's also debateably illogical to believe violence solves anything, but many people do and you can make arguments for it although I believe they are much weaker than arguments against.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If you believe one group is responsible for all the worlds problems - and this is very much true for many ideologies - it isn't illogical to want to kill them.

Yes, it absolutely is

 

[ttystikk]

Yes, it absolutely is

Gotta disagree with you here;

IF you accept the false premise that one group/nation/people/sect/race is the cause of all your suffering, then yes it becomes logical to want them dead and work to that end.

This is precisely the danger of false premises.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Gotta disagree with you here;

IF you accept the false premise that one group/nation/people/sect/race is the cause of all your suffering, then yes it becomes logical to want them dead and work to that end.

This is precisely the danger of false premises.

Sure, if you accept that false premise, it may become logical

But it's illogical to accept false premises

 

[ttystikk]

Sure, if you accept that false premise, it may become logical

But it's illogical to accept false premises

We agree. But if an unwary, perhaps impressionable individual falls for one- and it only takes one good one- murder becomes palatable, even desirable.

Such is the power of false prophets---- errr, 'premises', lol

 

[Padawanbater2]

We agree. But if an unwary, perhaps impressionable individual falls for one- and it only takes one good one- murder becomes palatable, even desirable.

Such is the power of false prophets---- errr, 'premises', lol

But even if I thought Christians caused all the worlds problems, i wouldn't think it logical to want to kill them all

I don't think anyone has the authority to make that kind of a decision

There would have to be some objectively rational justification

 

[ttystikk]

But even if I thought Christians caused all the worlds problems, i wouldn't think it logical to want to kill them all

I don't think anyone has the authority to make that kind of a decision

There would have to be some objectively rational justification

I'm not defending it in any way, I'm on your side on this.

My point is that gullible people WILL swallow one or several false premises and get led right into such 'logical' blind alleys and never find their way out.

Benedict Donald's audiences are full of them, so this isn't a theoretical conversation.