Ruwtz Maneuver Vol 1

[Wisher2]

had a chemical reaction to my nutes, made a sludge that clogged my mister heads. by the time i caught the mechanical failure, i'd lost half my table. my bad, stuff is not meant to be used in conjunction with my formula.



i mentioned one to two jugs a day in my post, and i did it without attitude.

it works. it also works well in an air cooled air-tight enclosure.

right?

didnt mean to come off with an attitude....I apologize for the offense taken
What I meant is that it's pretty unsustainable changing jugs out every day....cheap yes? but just my opinion

what mixture do you use? I dont see how it could cause a sludge
strange......hydroponic or some hydro-organic deal?

@ruwtz as bubbles pop on the surface and mist it will create an osmosis reaction
he also stated that by oxygenating the solution it creates a breeding ground for bad

only in DWC is oxygenated solution needed as the roots can rot without oxygen.....even then.....with the air gap between the nute level and above roots....is enough oxygen for roots to sustain
not saying stones arent good for DWC
but I now only use stones for tea brewing

and I use a small submerseable pump in my res to circulate my solution

 

[ruwtz]

Here's the roots on a couple of the Larry's, obviously been working to go somewhere. Vigorous and healthy.




Here you can see how saturated the rock wool has stayed 3 days after the last flood. Taking off the wrappers has been highly educational to see this together with ample root growth appearing out the sides before becoming air pruned.



I used 2gal smart pots with a 1" hydroton layer in the bottom and 3" of coco before placing the block on top. The hydroton and coco is what I will be flooding. These 6" blocks fit in the pots perfectly and I left the sides clear so they could dry well.

I have not yet flooded this newly potted media but hopefully the roots will go looking and will be thirsty for it in a day or so.

Here's the remaining healthy girls all potted up and on the table. They looked happier almost immediately, but that's probably just wishful thinking.

Wish me luck.

 

[Wisher2]

Here's the roots on a couple of the Larry's, obviously been working to go somewhere. Vigorous and healthy.

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Here you can see how saturated the rock wool has stayed 3 days after the last flood. Taking off the wrappers has been highly educational to see this together with ample root growth appearing out the sides before becoming air pruned.

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I used 2gal smart pots with a 1" hydroton layer in the bottom and 3" of coco before placing the block on top. The hydroton and coco is what I will be flooding. These 6" blocks fit in the pots perfectly and I left the sides clear so they could dry well.

I have not yet flooded this newly potted media but hopefully the roots will go looking and will be thirsty for it in a day or so.

Here's the remaining healthy girls all potted up and on the table. They looked happier almost immediately, but that's probably just wishful thinking.

Wish me luck.

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just looks so much better to me....those roots look great on that plant shown....

hopefully they all pull through!!!

 

[ruwtz]

Couple of curiosities by photo for you here.

First, the extent of the stem rot can be seen best here as I'm flexing the stem at its weak point. Poor bugger was barely hanging on and was clearly starving to death by decapitation.

I cut down five plants like this today.



And in this pic you can just make out my 1/4" black vinyl hose tacked to the edge of the table, sealed at its end and instead punctured along its length to deliver a little CO2 to the plants.

I don't have a CO2 monitor but I did a basic room calc so I could set the tank flow and timer. I left the flower room door open and the preset controller in there has been pinging all day at 1500ppm so it may be too high.

 

[ttystikk]

I'd recommend against too much co2 in veg, it will cause the plants to grow fewer stomata on their leaves, hindering co2 uptake and transpiration. Save the high boost for bloom, run no more than 800 ppm in veg.

 

[ruwtz]

I'd recommend against too much co2 in veg, it will cause the plants to grow fewer stomata on their leaves, hindering co2 uptake and transpiration. Save the high boost for bloom, run no more than 800 ppm in veg.

Yeah I'm working on getting the amount right. Should probably just drop on a monitor at least. Amazon's cheapest is $66 so I've hesitated because that's not so cheap and, well, cheap can be a fool's economy anyways right?!

I might just run the timer less. Currently on 4 mins every 2hrs.

Trying to aim for around 600ppm.

 

[Wisher2]

Yeah I'm working on getting the amount right. Should probably just drop on a monitor at least. Amazon's cheapest is $66 so I've hesitated because that's not so cheap and, well, cheap can be a fool's economy anyways right?!

I might just run the timer less. Currently on 4 mins every 2hrs.

Trying to aim for around 600ppm.

600ppm's you should be able to get just from ambient air

 

[ruwtz]

600ppm's you should be able to get just from ambient air

I have no intake ventilation so I'm actually not convinced of that. Especially on a day when I don't go in much, which happens when I have to err, you know, go and do my real job and stuff.

I was in there a lot today, breathing, so it was up.

CO2 depletes really fast. I ought to measure to find out by exactly how much but this is the stop gap for now.

 

[Wisher2]

yeah I see what you are saying
looks like a controller/monitor is a must then

 

[ttystikk]

600ppm's you should be able to get just from ambient air

Ambient is 400 ppm, which needs constant fresh air exchange.

 

[Wisher2]

Ambient is 400 ppm, which needs constant fresh air exchange.

my garage is 750
but I do understand his room is sealed
although somehow ants keep showing up

 

[ruwtz]

my garage is 750
but I do understand his room is sealed
although somehow ants keep showing up

It's not 100% but I'm working on it. Foam sealed the bottom of the drywall yesterday and the few ants I was noticing haven't been seen since.

I reckon even in the best DIY sealed rooms a good ant would still find a way.

Flower is much better as it's an adjoining room and the air is noticeably thicker without ac.

 

[ruwtz]

didnt mean to come off with an attitude....I apologize for the offense taken
What I meant is that it's pretty unsustainable changing jugs out every day....cheap yes? but just my opinion

what mixture do you use? I dont see how it could cause a sludge
strange......hydroponic or some hydro-organic deal?

@ruwtz as bubbles pop on the surface and mist it will create an osmosis reaction
he also stated that by oxygenating the solution it creates a breeding ground for bad

only in DWC is oxygenated solution needed as the roots can rot without oxygen.....even then.....with the air gap between the nute level and above roots....is enough oxygen for roots to sustain
not saying stones arent good for DWC
but I now only use stones for tea brewing

and I use a small submerseable pump in my res to circulate my solution

Giving this some more thought...

Without oxygenating the res we run the risk of anaerobic pathogens taking over, right? And all those bennie bacteria we like to add are aerobic thus make the most of the oxygen-rich solution and ultimately benefit the root zone.

Are their any aerobic organisms we don't want in the res? If there aren't any then Mr Botanicare's claim of a breeding ground for baddies is surely moot?

 

[ttystikk]

Giving this some more thought...

Without oxygenating the res we run the risk of anaerobic pathogens taking over, right? And all those bennie bacteria we like to add are aerobic thus make the most of the oxygen-rich solution and ultimately benefit the root zone.

Are their any aerobic organisms we don't want in the res? If there aren't any then Mr Botanicare's claim of a breeding ground for baddies is surely moot?

All I can tell you is that for ebb n flood/intermittent watering, you want a dead res.

 

[ruwtz]

All I can tell you is that for ebb n flood/intermittent watering, you want a dead res.

Yeah, i'm just being curious is all...

I learned my lesson putting bennies in the res the first time: foam and slime probably isn't a sign of anything good.

 

[Wisher2]

Yeah, i'm just being curious is all...

I learned my lesson putting bennies in the res the first time: foam and slime probably isn't a sign of anything good.

you dont need air stones in the res....as the res floods oxygen is added and then as it drops back down oxygen is pulled into the root zone
you really only need to circulate the solution to keep it in suspension....a small sub pump works great.....the turbulance will also add oxygen
if you change out every 7-14 days you wont really need to worry about pathogens

 

[ruwtz]

I cannot win. I am close to throwing the towel in.

Shed for sale, all space lab equipment included. I obviously cannot be trusted to use it properly.

A quick gallery of my shame right now, spotlighting the sickest leaves... and not sick in a hip street way. In a really disheartening, demoralizing way.

*ignore the little specs if you see them, I had to drill a hole in the room and it blew wood dust everywhere*

[1] MG deficiency??


[2] K deficiency?? Top leaf on plant, 10" from cob lights at 1.4amps... couldn't be light burn, could it?? There are much taller plants though so unlikely.


[3] P deficiency?? Plus still sporting effects of overwatering in rock wool: leaf curl etc. This plant is real pretty huh?! FML


[4] P def also? Also overwatering


[5] K def??


[6] MG def again??


[7] P def again...?


pH is fine. Temps and humidity are fine. Problems are all in the roots, I know that. Overwatering in rock wool is well acknowledged here and is more than likely causing all kinds of nute lockout, stunting new growth etc. This means I am very reluctant to try and fix anything because I don't want to be adding any more moisture to the rock wool. We are waiting forever for them to dry out, now in their new homes sat on top of 4" of coco in smart pots. I'm hoping for quick root growth into the coco which I will be flooding with regular nutes for their breakfast.

Could be a long wait, and in the meantime the plants are screaming for help and its leaving me sleepless...

No fun right now guys. No fun at all. Is there a humane way to put down useless ganja farmers??

 

[ruwtz]

Oh and this is my favorite one from today... what appears like nibbled leaves. For the past hour I have been scrutinizing this plant under good light with a microscope and cannot find anything resembling a pest. No bugs here.

Could this just be a deformity?? Maybe it was a damaged region that died off / fell away and the leaf has healed itself?

So many questions, not enough brains. I suck at this.



Leaves are on the same branch on the same plant, just the leaf tips this time and nearer the top.

 

[a mongo frog]

Temps and humidity are fine.

What are you considering fine?

 

[ruwtz]

What are you considering fine?

75-77F, humidity low 60's, all around the clock.