when do you throw in your HID's?

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Illinois Enema Bandit

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just make sure that no heat reaches plants that young of seedlings & you'll be fine.

What state are you in ? I'm in Michigan & have an extra Vortex fan or 2 laying around I'm not using that would help get you jamming the right way & cool that light properly,one is yours for free if were close enough,I'm in Frankenmuth Mich the rest of the month ,then I'll be in Bloomfield Hills Mich for the winter,let me know if your close enough & I'll hook you up with some goodies to get you going no charge no drama,I've got an entire barn full of unused grow gear collected from 30 years growing,and I'm 100% legal so I don't care who knows lol
 
yungkodama

yungkodama

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Illinois Enema Bandit said:
just make sure that no heat reaches plants that young of seedlings & you'll be fine.

What state are you in ? I'm in Michigan & have an extra Vortex fan or 2 laying around I'm not using that would help get you jamming the right way & cool that light properly,one is yours for free if were close enough,I'm in Frankenmuth Mich the rest of the month ,then I'll be in Bloomfield Hills Mich for the winter,let me know if your close enough & I'll hook you up with some goodies to get you going no charge no drama,I've got an entire barn full of unused grow gear collected from 30 years growing,and I'm 100% legal so I don't care who knows lol
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Alas my friend im in a state far from Michigan :( im in Arizona really though thank you for the open arms lol you dont go around he forumn offering folks stuff now do you? Lol but that would have been handy. I know a caregiver here who can maybe sell me some stuff for the low just trying to replenish my funds for now lol smh
 
Jubilant

Jubilant

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I do not use HIDs nor have I researched them but I was reading someone saying that dimming your lights puts out more red to far red of the spectrum in ratio to your blue if that is the case you may notice your stems growing stringier and nodes further apart, typically for veg you want far more blue to red(far red) in terms of PAR (Useable light frequencies by your plants) You may consider supplementing some blue LEDs or another source of blue light.
 
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Jubilant said:
I do not use HIDs nor have I researched them but I was reading someone saying that dimming your lights puts out more red to far red of the spectrum in ratio to your blue if that is the case you may notice your stems growing stringier and nodes further apart, typically for veg you want far more blue to red(far red) in terms of PAR (Useable light frequencies by your plants) You may consider supplementing some blue LEDs or another source of blue light.
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the red vs blue loss gain ratio is so small its of zero value unless you plan on vegging for several months,the biggest contributor to stretched weak stalks is #1 light source too far from canopy, and #2 stagnant plants not fluttering to build stalk strength.

Anything less than a 60 day veg its not even worth using MH in veg,with a 30 day veg or less running straight hps is perfect for multiple plants,of all HID bulbs the HPS enhanced spectrum bulbs are the biggest bang for the buck .
 
yungkodama

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Illinois Enema Bandit said:
the red vs blue loss gain ratio is so small its of zero value unless you plan on vegging for several months,the biggest contributor to stretched weak stalks is #1 light source too far from canopy, and #2 stagnant plants not fluttering to build stalk strength.

Anything less than a 60 day veg its not even worth using MH in veg,with a 30 day veg or less running straight hps is perfect for multiple plants,of all HID bulbs the HPS enhanced spectrum bulbs are the biggest bang for the buck .
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Ill go with your advice to be honest
 
yungkodama

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Johnny_DankCo said:
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No seperate walls? Man I want a house with a garage next time I look for a new place, I like T5's had one before and it kicked butt, so far so good with the HID on these babies there is some heat trouble so im going to try and find a way to rig up a ghetto ac to maybe help for now lol not to hot though thankfully I have a big fan but she wont be able to fit later on by then I will have proper ventilation
 
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yungkodama said:
No seperate walls? Man I want a house with a garage next time I look for a new place, I like T5's had one before and it kicked butt, so far so good with the HID on these babies there is some heat trouble so im going to try and find a way to rig up a ghetto ac to maybe help for now lol not to hot though thankfully I have a big fan but she wont be able to fit later on by then I will have proper ventilation
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Basements bro
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Illinois Enema Bandit said:
the red vs blue loss gain ratio is so small its of zero value unless you plan on vegging for several months,the biggest contributor to stretched weak stalks is #1 light source too far from canopy, and #2 stagnant plants not fluttering to build stalk strength.

Anything less than a 60 day veg its not even worth using MH in veg,with a 30 day veg or less running straight hps is perfect for multiple plants,of all HID bulbs the HPS enhanced spectrum bulbs are the biggest bang for the buck .
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ewwwww vegging with an hps sucks, talk about tall plants with minimal branching, that's what happens when you grow with a light that's mainly red light when plants use blue light for veg growth (that's what pushes chlorophyll production)
 
yungkodama

yungkodama

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Yodaweed said:
ewwwww vegging with an hps sucks, talk about tall plants with minimal branching, that's what happens when you grow with a light that's mainly red light when plants use blue light for veg growth (that's what pushes chlorophyll production)
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Got my mh being used, rn they are in the dark for a couple hours, so far so good. Going to try and make a cheap ghetto A/C today lets see how this goes
 
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Yodaweed said:
ewwwww vegging with an hps sucks, talk about tall plants with minimal branching, that's what happens when you grow with a light that's mainly red light when plants use blue light for veg growth (that's what pushes chlorophyll production)
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I take it you've never used or researched any of the enhanced spectrum HPS available at the same cost as straight HPS .

To each their own but vegging can never out produce single cola 8 week from clone to harvest weights .
 
moondance

moondance

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Illinois Enema Bandit said:
just make sure that no heat reaches plants that young of seedlings & you'll be fine.

What state are you in ? I'm in Michigan & have an extra Vortex fan or 2 laying around I'm not using that would help get you jamming the right way & cool that light properly,one is yours for free if were close enough,I'm in Frankenmuth Mich the rest of the month ,then I'll be in Bloomfield Hills Mich for the winter,let me know if your close enough & I'll hook you up with some goodies to get you going no charge no drama,I've got an entire barn full of unused grow gear collected from 30 years growing,and I'm 100% legal so I don't care who knows lol
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How are you neighbor, Legal too and down by the Chili Bowl maybe we could meet for lunch one day and talk growing, o and burn one!
Moondance
 
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moondance said:
How are you neighbor, Legal too and down by the Chili Bowl maybe we could meet for lunch one day and talk growing, o and burn one!
Moondance
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I'm in Michigan,to be exact we spend the summers in northern Michigans little Bavaria Frankenmuth ,we spend our winters in the southern Mich town of Bloomfield Hills,My username is a nod to the Frank Zappa song extolling the famous Illinois enema bandit named Michael Kenyon,its a true story BTW,if your in Illinois & don't know do a google on the Enema bandit as the media called him lol

If were neighbors I'm always down with sharing a fat joint or 10 & possibly a few drinks with any RIU member,ive made a very good friend from this site & met a few fellow Michiganders as well .
 
moondance

moondance

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If were neighbors I'm always down with sharing a fat joint or 10 & possibly a few drinks with any RIU member,ive made a very good friend from this site & met a few fellow Michiganders as well .[/QUOTE]
Good deal let me know when your back I the area and we will set something up.
Moondance
 
rob333

rob333

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yungkodama said:
I have 12 babies that just popped under 4 CFL's. I have my 600w HIDs coming in today and now I ask myself.. when do I throw this bad boy in?!

Now I know it wouldnt be smart to throw that 600w on full blast toasting the seedlings. These guys arent even finished growing theyre first node. BUT. What if I throw my 600w in 50% maybe 2 feet above the babes and then use the 4 cfls to maybe just maybe help the plants not stretch out? Anybody ever run into a situation like this? What did you do or recommend?

Thank you all who have spent the time to read and respond! Much love!
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from the start i veg from seed with hid lights
 
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