630w DE - CMH?

Dynamo626

Dynamo626

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thought a couple quick vids would help. I literally talk to experienced and beginner gardeners all day every day. Like I said I manage a hydro store and I study lighting like its my job.... because it is. I was going to post links to some studies but who wants to read pages of text. these vids are quick and entertaining.
 
Dynamo626

Dynamo626

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Why COBs? Efficiency. For every 100watts of energy used your plants see what ever Percentage of efficiency they are: KIND epistsr LEDs 22.5% Plants see 22.5 Watts, HPS 30%... Switch to cobs and your plants see upwards of 60%. ;) More light = More good.

btw cobs are fantastic but very expensive unless you have the knowledge to diy. Cmh is a less expensive option and is getting cheaper all the time. If you have the cheddar go lep or cob.
 
DrBlaze

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Canadian4meds said:
up here it will cost me $ 145.00
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You haven't looked hard enough my friend :)


https://www.bulbspro.com/philips-21831-mastercolour-cdm-t-mw-315w-930-t9-clear-pgz18-base-protected-ansi-c182-o-20-000-hrs.html

or the new Solistek with extra uv:
http://www.coastpetandplant.com/store/index.php/fire/h-i-d-lamps/solistek-315w-ceramic-metal-halide-3200k-lamp-enhanced-uv.html

And if you want 2x315 on a budget (free shipping too): http://www.growlights.ca/growlights/315w-cmh-ceramic-metal-halide-kit.html
 
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Canadian4meds

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Dynamo626 said:
I run a Hydro store in well a state lol. I first read abought the Growers Choice 630 de cmh 3 months ago in Maximum Yield magazine. It came just in time to start flowering. I'm 3 weeks out and couldn't be happier. running on a galaxy optimized de ballast. didn't know abought the short wave ballast thing until today a Nanolux rep was in the store and I asked him when they were gona produce one. he confirmed the bulb will have a short life but honestly I think its worth it. I will be investing in a square wave soon it looks like. FYI Nanolux tells me its de cmh will be out early 2017
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Hey thanks for the reply. great to hear from someone with first hand experience with them. I decided to go 315w se cmh because of my 8 ft ceilings I fear i won't have enough room between the light and canopy.
 
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DrBlaze said:
You haven't looked hard enough my friend :)


https://www.bulbspro.com/philips-21831-mastercolour-cdm-t-mw-315w-930-t9-clear-pgz18-base-protected-ansi-c182-o-20-000-hrs.html

or the new Solistek with extra uv:
http://www.coastpetandplant.com/store/index.php/fire/h-i-d-lamps/solistek-315w-ceramic-metal-halide-3200k-lamp-enhanced-uv.html

And if you want 2x315 on a budget (free shipping too): http://www.growlights.ca/growlights/315w-cmh-ceramic-metal-halide-kit.html
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You have no idea how hard I have looked lol. The link to the bulbs pro website lists that bulb as a t9 but shows a picture of a t12 so I'm not sure which it is but I would need a t12 and either way it is out of stock and discontinued according to that website:(

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At closer inspection on the same page you linked it states they are t9 bulbs at least twice but says it's a t12 once and shows a pic of a t12 so I'm not sure what's going on but I would be scared to order one even if they did have stock.

As for the Solistek bulb, for right now I want to stick with philips for sure. There are a lot of cheap alternatives out there.

Here is a vid comparing 10 different cmh bulbs

And finally the growlights.ca ballast/reflector does not come with any warranty if you look closely. And I'm kind of scared of using a cheap Chinese knock off as I don't want to start fires lol or lose my light In the middle of a grow. If i could find someone who has tried them and likes them I may be willing to try, but it's $300 for that reflector and ballast and another $150 for the bulb. Thats $450 already for no name chinese brand with no warranty. I may look into the Phantom 315w kit from my local hydro store on sale right now for $550 cdn.(well $600 cdn but he will do 3 for $550 each)

Also that ballast/reflector is also available at progressive-growth.com for the same price, but if I remember right you need $1000 for free shipping lol.
 
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HockeyBeard

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Hey, I had a thought.... What do they use to power the 630W fixtures with the two bulb setup? Are those two separate ballasts, or is it actually a 630W LfSq?
 
DrBlaze

DrBlaze

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Canadian4meds said:
You have no idea how hard I have looked lol. The link to the bulbs pro website lists that bulb as a t9 but shows a picture of a t12 so I'm not sure which it is but I would need a t12 and either way it is out of stock and discontinued according to that website:(

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At closer inspection on the same page you linked it states they are t9 bulbs at least twice but says it's a t12 once and shows a pic of a t12 so I'm not sure what's going on but I would be scared to order one even if they did have stock.

As for the Solistek bulb, for right now I want to stick with philips for sure. There are a lot of cheap alternatives out there.

Here is a vid comparing 10 different cmh bulbs

And finally the growlights.ca ballast/reflector does not come with any warranty if you look closely. And I'm kind of scared of using a cheap Chinese knock off as I don't want to start fires lol or lose my light In the middle of a grow. If i could find someone who has tried them and likes them I may be willing to try, but it's $300 for that reflector and ballast and another $150 for the bulb. Thats $450 already for no name chinese brand with no warranty. I may look into the Phantom 315w kit from my local hydro store on sale right now for $550 cdn.(well $600 cdn but he will do 3 for $550 each)

Also that ballast/reflector is also available at progressive-growth.com for the same price, but if I remember right you need $1000 for free shipping lol.
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I would call bulbspro if I were you and looking for that bulb (they are great to deal with). I've found conflicting info a couple of times when ordering from them, they took my number and called me back within a few minutes.

Also keep in mind that the only way to actually not use a chinese knock-off ballast is to buy the phillips electronic ballast and a reflector and diy a setup yourself. ALL the 315 systems (that I've looked at) use chinese ballasts (a lot use the Wellthink ballasts you can get on alibaba).
 
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Canadian4meds

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DrBlaze said:
I would call bulbspro if I were you and looking for that bulb (they are great to deal with). I've found conflicting info a couple of times when ordering from them, they took my number and called me back within a few minutes.

Also keep in mind that the only way to actually not use a chinese knock-off ballast is to buy the phillips electronic ballast and a reflector and diy a setup yourself. ALL the 315 systems (that I've looked at) use chinese ballasts (a lot use the Wellthink ballasts you can get on alibaba).
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I would call but that bulb is out of stock and discontinued it says

https://www.bulbspro.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=philips+21831

I'm aware that all the ballast are manufactured in China the difference is a reputable brand name and a warranty. I believe the philips as well is Chinese manufactured. All the sun system all in one lec units come with a Philips ballast built in.
 
Trippyness

Trippyness

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Canadian4meds said:
Yeah 140 u.s. which is about 185 canadian but up here it will cost me $ 145.00 ( on sale! reg 195.00) for a Phillips 315w bulb (best price I could find)
It would also cost me about $750 on sale (regular $950) for a sun system 315 or $1450 (reg $1950) for the sun system 630 (dual 315's) so if this bulb is a performer it would make way more sense for me to use my own ballast and ac/de hood and this bulb. Still Anson much cheaper then the $1450 for the sun system 630 which is just dual bulbs.


All prices quoted from bustan.ca. the best prices I could find because of their current sales.
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Watch out for growers house in Canada.
I got hit with $600 in customs and duties a while ago when buying a few k worth.
its worth it to pay more in Canada without duty and tax.
I avoid usa shipping like the plague if I can.
 
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Canadian4meds

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Trippyness said:
Watch out for growers house in Canada.

I got hit with $600 in customs and duties a while ago when buying a few k worth.

its worth it to pay more in Canada without duty and tax.

I avoid usa shipping like the plague if I can.
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I know right! if i were to buy from the usa I would arrange a weekend trip for my $800 worth of duty free purchases.
 
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