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Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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My mother taught me not to say ugly shit to people especially if it has no bearing EVER on oneself, cant say something nice then you dont talk.....apparently not all others got this lesson.....If you dont think it works thats fine, shut the fuck up.
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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calliandra said:
omg how cute are those?!?! :D
These plants are really amazing and I begin to understand your fascination -- indeed, if you do get seeds off your droseras, I'd love to give germinating them a try!

As for the multiple measures approach, I totally agree. Sometimes only one thing needs tweaking/boosting for a situation to change, but usually it's a combination of things that really stabilizes it. :)
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Just harvested seed from some of the Drosera

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........and the offer still stands @calliandra, I've already got way too many plants (of all types), to start growing these out. I am gonna try and germ some, just to see if they work, but I'll gladly send you some, just pm me your address
 
calliandra

calliandra

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DonBrennon said:
Just harvested seed from some of the Drosera

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........and the offer still stands @calliandra, I've already got way too many plants (of all types), to start growing these out. I am gonna try and germ some, just to see if they work, but I'll gladly send you some, just pm me your address
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Oh cool how the flowers dry up - I've been reading around a bit and I think I get the warnings of prolific offspring now: I bet people just leave the flower stems on the plant because they're so pretty and so end up with hundreds of drosera babies in all their garden! :mrgreen: -- Will definitely do, DonBrennon, thanks!
DonBrennon said:
Wot's up @Grandpa GreenJeans .........long time no post.........hope all is well bro
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Yup -- I think he's a gardener, and it's high season now, so he's bound to be really busy ;)
 
Aruanda

Aruanda

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Hi Grandpa GreenJeans, I'm reading through your entire thread now, at pg. 24 at the moment. Lots of great information. I find myself writing down tidbits and taking notes, lol. Thank you.

One thing I have so far felt compelled to jump to the end of this thread and contribute/comment about is your method of LST using what appear to be metal pikes that you are using in the soil to do the training with (depicted in photos from pg 24). I've had this information ruminating in the back of my mind from a thread on FB regarding iron shanks used for subsoiling for some time. Someone there chimed in with some insightful and fascinating information regarding the work of Viktor Schauberger. In the thread, the discussion about his work on soils where he discovered that iron implements changed the polarity of the water molecules and made it more difficult for plants to interact with the water. Someone else made the comment that iron can block access to phosphor. I'll post here what I've been able to find thus far relating to the subject and for your consideration: http://www.energeticforum.com/agriculture/3977-iron-tools-defertilize-soil.html

I've been meaning to look into it further for some time and possibly even make a thread on it here.
 
Aruanda

Aruanda

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Hi again Grandpa GJ, I'm now on page 29, lol. Hey, quick question. What are the devices you have sitting on the bamboo stick from the first picture post #567 and the device attached to the bobbin pin at canopy level on the Alien Kush, bottom photo post #568? Thanks.


I have a 3 tiered plastic worm bin and if I do indeed move soon I am thinking about building a wooden one and I'm really liking your design. Thank you for posting and sharing your creation here, great inspiration. I know that wood has the factor of needing to keep a closer eye on moisture levels as it 'breathes' more and evaporation could be a problem. I have done some research in the past on what kind of natural products can be used to seal wood and discovered that a preparation using beeswax and olive oil is a natural wood sealant. I am wondering if this could be applicable to a wooden worm bin that would mitigate the loss of moisture inside the bin to an extent. Certainly worth exploring further...
http://www.remediesandherbs.com/top-4-homemade-wood-polish-and-sealant-recipes/
 
freemanjack

freemanjack

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ColaKoala13 said:
Hi again Grandpa GJ, I'm now on page 29, lol. Hey, quick question. What are the devices you have sitting on the bamboo stick from the first picture post #567 and the device attached to the bobbin pin at canopy level on the Alien Kush, bottom photo post #568? Thanks.


I have a 3 tiered plastic worm bin and if I do indeed move soon I am thinking about building a wooden one and I'm really liking your design. Thank you for posting and sharing your creation here, great inspiration. I know that wood has the factor of needing to keep a closer eye on moisture levels as it 'breathes' more and evaporation could be a problem. I have done some research in the past on what kind of natural products can be used to seal wood and discovered that a preparation using beeswax and olive oil is a natural wood sealant. I am wondering if this could be applicable to a wooden worm bin that would mitigate the loss of moisture inside the bin to an extent. Certainly worth exploring further...
http://www.remediesandherbs.com/top-4-homemade-wood-polish-and-sealant-recipes/
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Personally, I would stick to plastic liners for cost effectiveness, I suspect the sealant you are suggesting might be seen by the worms as a food source adding to their natural ability to eat most woods over time. A decent hardwood will at least slow the little hungry fucks down, they appear to be able to eat softwoods quite readily. There are various pitch type wood treatments but any natural ones are likely to be the same as waxes and plant oils, ei; a worm food source! I guess the holistic approach would be to simply make your wormery out of very thick softwood and let the fuckers eat all they want? I'll stick with my old plastic 'Trump Tower' I must have tens of thousands of worms all munching and crapping merrily.
 
freemanjack

freemanjack

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ColaKoala13 said:
@freemanjack I was thinking more like using it just on the outside of the box to seal the outside of it.
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It would be entirely appropriate for that use, just bear in mind that your wooden box will be a food source and design it accordingly. Personally, mine is a decades old plastic chest of drawers (trump tower!) that was thrown out by a local kindergarten, drilled the drawer bottoms to allow drainage, best wormery I ever used, 4 drawers 6" deep, cycled up the stack as each gets filled, approx 6 weeks from raw plant material to superb castings. Worth mentioning here, worms NEED GRIT, they have no teeth so the fine silicates in the soil act to grind up the contents of their gut, so remember to add a little fine white horticultural sand, bone meal or just a little topsoil.
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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DonBrennon said:
Yep, bang on, but don't expect to rely on 'just' Drosera though if you have a gnat infestation. Yeah, they'll take out quite a few adults and thrive off the nutrients they supply, but you should look at them more like a living sticky trap. You would still need to go for the larvae with something to irradicate them, ie. BT dunks, nematode or hypoaspis miles. I look at them more as a hobby than real pest control, although if you have enough of them I think they'd have to be helping out a little.

I've caught the bug big time...........pun intended, lol, and after doing a little research last night, my next mission is to get some slightly different drosera plants and start making my own cross breeds.

If these D.Capensis produce seeds, which I'm really hoping they will, I'll gladly send you some if you're interested.

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I've managed to get 3 VFT's to germinate, they're absolutely tiny, but all have viable little traps
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Jah earth collective would love to carry beans like this, assuming you guys are interested in supplying. :)
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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DonTesla said:
Jah earth collective would love to carry beans like this, assuming you guys are interested in supplying. :)
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Ahhhh.......I loved those little plants, but they were increasingly taking up valuable space which was needed for my re-arrangement and were distracting me from the 'main crop'. I donated the lot to a small, local, family run garden centre. I will be getting a few more when everything's sorted, I think they're a great addition to any indoor grow room or near to worm bins.

I think the seeds I produced were sterile, but they can be notoriously difficult to germinate, so it's hard to tell. If they were, I know what the problem was. The flowers 'self pollinate' and can be 'cross pollinated', but they have to open fully and close for fertilization to take place (they open in the morning, close in the evening of the same day, each flower has around a 6 hour window for pollination), mine were in with my clones/young plants on 24hr lighting and although they flowered, the flowers never fully opened.

For a heads up, there isn't much of a seed industry with these types of plants, possibly because of the difficulty of germination. They're so easy to propagate by dividing plants up, that, that is the main way plants are reproduced and sold on. Seeds are available to purchase online, but the real enthusiasts are on their own forums and trading seeds through clubs.

Probably got a couple of hundred comfrey and borage seeds you could have to give out as novelty freebie's though, try to encourage people to grow their own nutes................I've found a massive comfrey plant growing wild on my dog walking route, so don't need the seeds. I'd have to test a couple first though unless @Vnsmkr has germed any of the one's I sent him.
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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DonBrennon said:
Ahhhh.......I loved those little plants, but they were increasingly taking up valuable space which was needed for my re-arrangement and were distracting me from the 'main crop'. I donated the lot to a small, local, family run garden centre. I will be getting a few more when everything's sorted, I think they're a great addition to any indoor grow room or near to worm bins.

I think the seeds I produced were sterile, but they can be notoriously difficult to germinate, so it's hard to tell. If they were, I know what the problem was. The flowers 'self pollinate' and can be 'cross pollinated', but they have to open fully and close for fertilization to take place (they open in the morning, close in the evening of the same day, each flower has around a 6 hour window for pollination), mine were in with my clones/young plants on 24hr lighting and although they flowered, the flowers never fully opened.

For a heads up, there isn't much of a seed industry with these types of plants, possibly because of the difficulty of germination. They're so easy to propagate by dividing plants up, that, that is the main way plants are reproduced and sold on. Seeds are available to purchase online, but the real enthusiasts are on their own forums and trading seeds through clubs.

Probably got a couple of hundred comfrey and borage seeds you could have to give out as novelty freebie's though, try to encourage people to grow their own nutes................I've found a massive comfrey plant growing wild on my dog walking route, so don't need the seeds. I'd have to test a couple first though unless @Vnsmkr has germed any of the one's I sent him.
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Great response DB
I'd be happy to accept and test some for you.

I was thinking along the lines of cancer fighting super foods but DIY-nutes is a whole nother spin.

Something to think about,
Respect!
 
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