Real Organics

Mohican said:

What is the ice for?

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I believe he uses it as a final flush. The ice shocks the roots into thinking that Winter is coming soon so the plant needs to hurry and finish up. Also acts as a flush when the ice melts Page 24 on this thread i do believe

Very nice work Grandpa! One of my fav threads in Organics to check in on. Your plants look amazing! Just starting to dabble in organic soil myself. Mixed up my first batch of amended soil 5 wks ago. Had some really nice microbial webbing going on and added some redworms to vermicompost a bit. Keep up the good work and give us some smoke reports =)

Has anyone found out if organic soil or organic nutrients matter the most when growing or a combination? And are you seeing more people want more organically grown buds?

I"m just trying to see if it's worth the effort of figuring this all out and changing up my current style.

You're in the right place to ask these questions, as the post Mineralz made will surely for. Demand for organic bud/meds must surely depend on location and in some respect education. For me, in my area, nobody is demanding organic, just stinky strong weed, normally indica, which can be grown chemically and sold to the en-educated masses for profit.

If you've got the right situation/space to go full no till, it may be quite a bit of extra effort at the beggining, but much less work when it's running smoothly, than running hydro or coco. With hydro, you've got the constant monitoring/adjusting of ph and ppm and with coco you've got to find somewhere to dump your pots out every run and buy new coco, so wasteful.

Grandpa will give you much better answers with regards the the soil v nutes, but shop bought bottled nutes are a waste of money IMO, you can make better, cheaper, yourself, very easily.............you've just got to be careful how you apply them LOL,

Im around 2 weeks into flowering.

Im growing in a raised bed ammended with fermented food scraps and leaf mould with 3 photos (front was frost bitten and now small.) Then jm growing 2 autos and a photo in compost, leaf mould, ash, bokashi, biodynamic bananas and bones (funny concept), and ashes. I companion planted legume oats, beans, and clover, as well as carrots, potatoes and other stuff that will take over the bed when the cannabis is harvested.

The white is insect netting that is normally over them and the rest of the garden.

I have no idea what to do BUT sustainable agriculture......... soooooo

Mohican said:

What is the ice for?

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Since I'm all veganic and organic the soils micro heard is very much alive and active. Some like to chop without cold shocking, and there's nothing wrong with that. But for me, I chop after I have sent a clear and obvious signal to the plant that it's life is over. After flowering the plant will die off anyways, but she does it in active soil. If you ice her, the root temps are drastically lowered. This tells the plant that shit.is going down, your gonna freeze and you won't get pollinated. The plant will send out all its resin it can to get that pollen before it dies. The second part to cold shocking is that the soil microbes still perform their job weather it's transplant time or harvest, they don't care. The cold puts them to sleep, they go back into spore and cyst forms awaiting warmer temps. So in the end the plant will have to use up all of its internal stored nutrient. This forces a reallocation of carbohydrates from the roots to the flowers. This is where you want the carbohydrates and helps with the cure when it's time. Anerobic bacteria is what make curing possible and they feed on the chlorophyll and carbohydrate.
Basically it makes for a better cure and much smoother, more fragrant/flavorful/colorful flowers.

Mineralz said:

Very nice work Grandpa! One of my fav threads in Organics to check in on. Your plants look amazing! Just starting to dabble in organic soil myself. Mixed up my first batch of amended soil 5 wks ago. Had some really nice microbial webbing going on and added some redworms to vermicompost a bit. Keep up the good work and give us some smoke reports =)

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Very kind of you!
Organics is the bee's knees. I've never enjoyed growing like I do with water only. Aside from the fact that the finished product is much higher quality, the terpenes are unreal and the smoke is smooth. Out of all the plants I've ever grown, organics was the very best, and the buds stink to high hell.
In my hydro plants, they turned out good, and yielded more, but the flavor is more subtle.

I'm in the same boat with my soil. I have another 100 gallon batch that's been cooking for about 4 weeks now. I haven't even dumped it and mixed/aerated yet. I think I'll do that today actually. Lol haha

aunaturale208 said:

Has anyone found out if organic soil or organic nutrients matter the most when growing or a combination? And are you seeing more people want more organically grown buds?

I"m just trying to see if it's worth the effort of figuring this all out and changing up my current style.

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If your effort is geared towards growing dank, then organics is the only way. If your focused on yield, then it's not always the best. At that point, then organics with bumper yeilds is dependant on genetics.

Organics always wins in my book. I don't sell, I don't grow for profit. I grow for myself and family, and only the best. I want to feel good about the crop I'm about to consume. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "you are what you eat". Well the same is true for plants. Mother nature never intended for the Monasato company to thrive, or hydro shops to open. Life breeds life, and for cannabis or any plant for that matter, they're evolution with soil biology and recycled organic matter is a true miracle. It can't be denied or dismissed.
Trust me, once you go organic, you won't go back.

Letting the garden do it's thing:





Cheers,
Mo

Still drying.
These pics are from friday, day 1 of the hang.

Grandpa GreenJeans said:

Since I'm all veganic and organic the soils micro heard is very much alive and active. Some like to chop without cold shocking, and there's nothing wrong with that. But for me, I chop after I have sent a clear and obvious signal to the plant that it's life is over. After flowering the plant will die off anyways, but she does it in active soil. If you ice her, the root temps are drastically lowered. This tells the plant that shit.is going down, your gonna freeze and you won't get pollinated. The plant will send out all its resin it can to get that pollen before it dies. The second part to cold shocking is that the soil microbes still perform their job weather it's transplant time or harvest, they don't care. The cold puts them to sleep, they go back into spore and cyst forms awaiting warmer temps. So in the end the plant will have to use up all of its internal stored nutrient. This forces a reallocation of carbohydrates from the roots to the flowers. This is where you want the carbohydrates and helps with the cure when it's time. Anerobic bacteria is what make curing possible and they feed on the chlorophyll and carbohydrate.
Basically it makes for a better cure and much smoother, more fragrant/flavorful/colorful flowers.

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The plant we hit with Ro ice for couple days is sooooooooooooo retarded in terms of expansion.. Smoothness too but shit, son, the expansion..
Youre enjoying the smooth draws taste then bam, a late rolling, non stopping expansion rolls thru and cripples you for a couple minutes

Ice regime is legit

Adopting it for sure

If y'all haven't tried it, try it!!

Chopped one. Half of the gallon size jar. Soo probably just an ounce or two. It was a rather stout plant that i shouldn't have topped. It was recommended to let it grow one main koala (lol)

Hi Grandpa, got a few questions for you if you don't mind me troubling ya. All my carno's are doing very well, the VFT grew bigger, new traps and then started flowering, from what I'd read I felt the plant wasn't healthy/large enough IMO to sustain flower and survive so I cut the stem and it's grown another 3 leaves/traps since.

The pitcher has also thrown out a couple of leaves/cups which are at least 1 & 1/2 times bigger than any on the original plant I bought, with another 5-6 new leaves already growing. Do you think I should pot it up? .........and....... I think I remember you saying you rinse the cups out on yours.......do you fill them with water again afterwards?

The D. Capensis are out of control lol, they fookin love fungus gnat, the original pot I bought is now as full as when I bought it, but I've got another 4 smaller pots that are doing just as well from the same division (well 3 & 1/2 good ones lol). Except for the dodgy pot with the pitcher, each pot is putting out multiple flowers.........here's the questions again..........are the drosera like the VFT's and struggle to flower if under-developed?.......................they're currently under 24hr flouro's, do I need to adjust the light cycle?.....they seem to like the 24hr on, but I've read that they self pollinate by opening and closing during light/dark hours.

Syncronised flowering lol

DonBrennon said:

The D. Capensis are out of control lol, they fookin love fungus gnat

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Haha! And they look great too!
I must admit I've gotten a bit brainwashed by you guys -- the other day, I was scoping out a nursery as I'm currently looking for a job, and ended up taking home not only insight into the place but also a cute little venus fly trap "on the side" LMAO

I've realized since that the VFT probably won't be catching any fungus gnats, since the shutdown mechanism doesn't react to their minimal weight? So the Drosera look physiologically more adapted to catching smaller critters... is this true?

calliandra said:

I've realized since that the VFT probably won't be catching any fungus gnats, since the shutdown mechanism doesn't react to their minimal weight? So the Drosera look physiologically more adapted to catching smaller critters... is this true?

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Yep, bang on, but don't expect to rely on 'just' Drosera though if you have a gnat infestation. Yeah, they'll take out quite a few adults and thrive off the nutrients they supply, but you should look at them more like a living sticky trap. You would still need to go for the larvae with something to irradicate them, ie. BT dunks, nematode or hypoaspis miles. I look at them more as a hobby than real pest control, although if you have enough of them I think they'd have to be helping out a little.

I've caught the bug big time...........pun intended, lol, and after doing a little research last night, my next mission is to get some slightly different drosera plants and start making my own cross breeds.

If these D.Capensis produce seeds, which I'm really hoping they will, I'll gladly send you some if you're interested.



I've managed to get 3 VFT's to germinate, they're absolutely tiny, but all have viable little traps

Grandpa GreenJeans said:

Since I'm all veganic and organic the soils micro heard is very much alive and active. Some like to chop without cold shocking, and there's nothing wrong with that. But for me, I chop after I have sent a clear and obvious signal to the plant that it's life is over. After flowering the plant will die off anyways, but she does it in active soil. If you ice her, the root temps are drastically lowered. This tells the plant that shit.is going down, your gonna freeze and you won't get pollinated. The plant will send out all its resin it can to get that pollen before it dies. The second part to cold shocking is that the soil microbes still perform their job weather it's transplant time or harvest, they don't care. The cold puts them to sleep, they go back into spore and cyst forms awaiting warmer temps. So in the end the plant will have to use up all of its internal stored nutrient. This forces a reallocation of carbohydrates from the roots to the flowers. This is where you want the carbohydrates and helps with the cure when it's time. Anerobic bacteria is what make curing possible and they feed on the chlorophyll and carbohydrate.
Basically it makes for a better cure and much smoother, more fragrant/flavorful/colorful flowers.

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Your harvest story sounds like a childs idea of soil / plant bio dynamics. Do you have any science baking up that ice theory? Your "clear and obvious signal" sounds ridiculous to me. Im thinking that mind blowing weed is grown mainly in places where ice would never be wasted on folly.

Do yoy have any evidence, besides your opinion, that your soil is as vibrant with desirable biology as you believe?

DonBrennon said:

Yep, bang on, but don't expect to rely on 'just' Drosera though if you have a gnat infestation. Yeah, they'll take out quite a few adults and thrive off the nutrients they supply, but you should look at them more like a living sticky trap. You would still need to go for the larvae with something to irradicate them, ie. BT dunks, nematode or hypoaspis miles. I look at them more as a hobby than real pest control, although if you have enough of them I think they'd have to be helping out a little.

I've caught the bug big time...........pun intended, lol, and after doing a little research last night, my next mission is to get some slightly different drosera plants and start making my own cross breeds.

If these D.Capensis produce seeds, which I'm really hoping they will, I'll gladly send you some if you're interested.

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I've managed to get 3 VFT's to germinate, they're absolutely tiny, but all have viable little traps

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omg how cute are those?!?!
These plants are really amazing and I begin to understand your fascination -- indeed, if you do get seeds off your droseras, I'd love to give germinating them a try!

As for the multiple measures approach, I totally agree. Sometimes only one thing needs tweaking/boosting for a situation to change, but usually it's a combination of things that really stabilizes it.

@testiclees
If you don't think there'll be any benefit, don't do it. Why would he need evidence, are his plants up in court? Have you ever heard of a thing called winter? Or plant scenesance?

Ok I've never tested his weed, but if you've read the thread, you can't deny he knows his onions and all of his plants look very healthy and dank as fook.

Either try it for yourself or quit calling bullshit on something youve never tried or have any experience of