Why would it be wrong to shame people for being fat if it will cost others money when providing for

[Padawanbater2]

..their inevitable healthcare?

If it will cost me more money to fix you because you're overweight and at risk of associated diseases than it would if you were a healthy person who exercised regularly, shouldn't I have a right to criticize that position without being ostracized as a bully?


I'd like to hear your thoughts

 

[racerboy71]

why would it be wrong to shame people who are poor and need help via the government in the way of welfare, or wic, or w/e program that at the end of the day comes out of my pocket..
i can't believe this is really a question..

 

[Padawanbater2]

why would it be wrong to shame people who are poor and need help via the government in the way of welfare, or wic, or w/e program that at the end of the day comes out of my pocket..
i can't believe this is really a question..

I think it would be wrong to shame people who are poor and need help from the government because many of those people are victims of simple circumstances, many of which are known and explained. The overwhelming majority of fat people are not fat because they are simply victims of circumstances. Most are fat because they're lazy

 

[Olive Drab Green]

How, exactly, do you pay for someone else's obesity? You don't pay for their insurance. And some people are fat due to haywire body chemistry, usually undiagnosed diabetes.

That aside, money should never be valued more than human life. Not only is it simply paper, cotton, and ink, it isn't even backed by gold, but by faith.

I don't mind you, brother. I just thought you had better principles than that.

 

[racerboy71]

I think it would be wrong to shame people who are poor and need help from the government because many of those people are victims of simple circumstances, many of which are known and explained. The overwhelming majority of fat people are not fat because they are simply victims of circumstances. Most are fat because they're lazy

so, a single mother of 3 or 4 kids who works a full time job during the week, and a part time gig on the weekend, so that she can provide for her kids and put food on the table and clothes on the back, who might be too tired to go to the gym after a long day of work is what you'd consider lazy?
there are many reasons why someone might be fat, it's none of my business what they might be, wtf do i care? and i still don't understand how i'm paying for someone who's fat's medical bills, unless of course they're on ssi or medicaid or something along those lines, but if they have their own private insurance, how exactly am i paying for the medical?

 

[ScoobsWitDoobies]

I think the fact that we shame ANYONE for whatever they do, don't do, etc is just plain ignorant. Unless someone is PERFECT (which doesn't happen, EVER!) then STFU, help people, be kind, be nice... just be a good human

 

[Padawanbater2]

How, exactly, do you pay for someone else's obesity? You don't pay for their insurance. And some people are fat due to haywire body chemistry, usually undiagnosed diabetes.

and i still don't understand how i'm paying for someone who's fat's medical bills, unless of course they're on ssi or medicaid or something along those lines, but if they have their own private insurance, how exactly am i paying for the medical?

I was just wondering why people thought it would be wrong to shame people for being fat under a democratic socialist American healthcare system if others are paying for it when they, statistically, would need to utilize the healthcare system later in their life on account of being obese. This is an angle that I thought would be argued eventually, so what is the argument against it?

That aside, money should never be valued more than human life. Not only is it simply paper, cotton, and ink, it isn't even backed by gold, but by faith.

I agree 100%

I don't mind you, brother. I just thought you had better principles than that.

All good, man. I don't take anything personally

so, a single mother of 3 or 4 kids who works a full time job during the week, and a part time gig on the weekend, so that she can provide for her kids and put food on the table and clothes on the back, who might be too tired to go to the gym after a long day of work is what you'd consider lazy?

No, of course not. But if you eat healthy, even if you don't exercise, you won't be obese unless you have the kind of condition I qualified earlier that affects a fraction of the population. I don't blame people for being poor. A large portion of Americans are overweight or obese, the most common causes of hospital attendance is due to poor diet or lack of exercise, aka, being fat and out of shape. If we're all in a socialized healthcare system, this will eventually be a target for opponents of that system to attempt to exploit it. How do we, as people who support socialized healthcare, combat that criticism? What's the argument?

there are many reasons why someone might be fat, it's none of my business what they might be, wtf do i care?

I would think some people would care because it would raise their costs via taxes. That's the reason they care now, because they don't want to pay more for their own and everybody elses healthcare, instead of just their own

 

[Padawanbater2]

I think the fact that we shame ANYONE for whatever they do, don't do, etc is just plain ignorant. Unless someone is PERFECT (which doesn't happen, EVER!) then STFU, help people, be kind, be nice... just be a good human

What if what they do affects me? Shouldn't I have a right to voice my opinion if I think it's right or wrong?

 

[ttystikk]

..their inevitable healthcare?

If it will cost me more money to fix you because you're overweight and at risk of associated diseases than it would if you were a healthy person who exercised regularly, shouldn't I have a right to criticize that position without being ostracized as a bully?


I'd like to hear your thoughts

Why don't we fix the underlying socioeconomic issues leading to poor nutrition, food deserts and inadequate health care?

I know it's fun to laugh and point and all, but are we serious about solutions or just enjoying our schadenfreude moment before it's our turn to be ridiculed and ostracized?

 

[ScoobsWitDoobies]

What if what they do affects me? Shouldn't I have a right to voice my opinion if I think it's right or wrong?

Yes you do have that right, but the everyone would have the right to take every little thing you do and do the same thing. All I am saying, unless you know the person are you have walked in those shoes, then 'shaming' is just bullshit.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

What if what they do affects me? Shouldn't I have a right to voice my opinion if I think it's right or wrong?

How would it effect you, though, bro?

 

[ScoobsWitDoobies]

How would it effect you, though, bro?

Could be an excuse to just shame or demean someone. Would you do the same to the poor older person that has cancer?

 

[ttystikk]

How would it effect you, though, bro?

Increased health insurance premiums because of a higher proportion of overweight people requiring more health care.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Could be an excuse to just shame or demean someone. Would you do the same to the poor older person that has cancer?

I judge no man or woman, personally. I'm guilty of worse than any of you guys here could possibly be guilty of, so I judge no one.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Increased health insurance premiums because of a higher proportion of overweight people requiring more health care.

I suppose, but I'd blame corporate greed, inflation, and recession before ill people. You know my mother bought a house at 24 in the '90s? Can't do that shit today.

 

[UncleBuck]

@StillNotGOP

how do you feel about being a burden on the health care bills of people like myself, my wife, padawan, and all the other healthy people out there?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

@StillNotGOP

how do you feel about being a burden on the health care bills of people like myself, my wife, padawan, and all the other healthy people out there?

And, queue the Apocalypse.

 

[ScoobsWitDoobies]

Increased health insurance premiums because of a higher proportion of overweight people requiring more health care.

Then go bitch at the people that have health issues too, cancer, diabetes, thyroid issues, etc...

I judge no man or woman, personally. I'm guilty of worse than any of you guys here could possibly be guilty of, so I judge no one.

Ditto to that.

 

[ttystikk]

I suppose, but I'd blame corporate greed, inflation, and recession before ill people. You know my mother bought a house at 24 in the '90s? Can't do that shit today.

You and I are singing from the same page, brother. I think I said something very much like this just a few posts up from here.

 

[ScoobsWitDoobies]

So how would you guys feel if I told you, you (in the US) take care of my ass, I am a disabled combat vet... Am I wrong because I got hurt when I was overseas?