Electoral vs popular vote

Bublonichronic

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isnt it kinda fucked up people have the power to choose the electorals but not the president ? Why even bother voting if the electoral vote is all that matters? Would t it make more sense to use both the popular and electoral votes to decide the winner, like take the % won by both and decide that way?
 

SneekyNinja

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isnt it kinda fucked up people have the power to choose the electorals but not the president ? Why even bother voting if the electoral vote is all that matters? Would t it make more sense to use both the popular and electoral votes to decide the winner, like take the % won by both and decide that way?
Electoral College is a retarded system.

More people voted for Hillary but we got Trump.
 

NLXSK1

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isnt it kinda fucked up people have the power to choose the electorals but not the president ? Why even bother voting if the electoral vote is all that matters? Would t it make more sense to use both the popular and electoral votes to decide the winner, like take the % won by both and decide that way?
Because if the popular vote was taken then the mass urban populations of the country would solely elect the government and the people in the rural areas would get no say.

It took less than 48 hours for someone to want to change the system... LOL!!
 

Bublonichronic

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Think he means.. I didn't vote so someone's gotta vote for me
I get that, but that's why I'm saying shouldn't both the electoral and popular be taken into concideration? Just because 46% of people didn't vote dosent mean the 51% shouldn't matter
 

Indagrow

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Yeah it should, but at least they give us the feeling our vote matters.. A lot of places can't say the same
 

Jimdamick

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Because if the popular vote was taken then the mass urban populations of the country would solely elect the government and the people in the rural areas would get no say.

It took less than 48 hours for someone to want to change the system... LOL!!
So fucking what if the rural voters don't count. The MAJORITY of voters, spread all over this country, should be the ones that count, not just some cow farmers in North Dakota. This is the 2nd time in my lifetime that some cunt, GW Bush being the 1st (that worked out well) whom that the majority of voters didn't vote for was elected POTUS. It should be done away with. Let the majority rule, not just Florida.
 

NLXSK1

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So fucking what if the rural voters don't count. The MAJORITY of voters, spread all over this country, should be the ones that count, not just some cow farmers in North Dakota. This is the 2nd time in my lifetime that some cunt, GW Bush being the 1st (that worked out well) whom that the majority of voters didn't vote for was elected POTUS. It should be done away with. Let the majority rule, not just Florida.
If the majority ruled the minorities would be fucked. You are pretty evil!!
 

spandy

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Because if the popular vote was taken then the mass urban populations of the country would solely elect the government and the people in the rural areas would get no say.

It took less than 48 hours for someone to want to change the system... LOL!!

But if Hillary had won this way, they would be all against any change lol. No one said a fucking word prior to the elections.

So fucking what if the rural voters don't count. The MAJORITY of voters, spread all over this country, should be the ones that count, not just some cow farmers in North Dakota. This is the 2nd time in my lifetime that some cunt, GW Bush being the 1st (that worked out well) whom that the majority of voters didn't vote for was elected POTUS. It should be done away with. Let the majority rule, not just Florida.
So much pain, we are getting mad about cow farmers in North Dakota LOL

 

spandy

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so what if some places have more people...it's the people who should decide, where they live shouldn't matter, if 90% of people lived in California theyr vote should matter just as much as if they were spread out through the country

And this is why you are not in charge.


Imagine if agriculture was 100% decided upon by the city dweller. Fuckers would support policies that would ultimately lead to their starvation.
 

tyler.durden

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I was curious about the Electoral College's purpose and history myself, so I looked it up the other night -

The Reason for the Electoral College

Q: Why does the U.S. have an Electoral College?

A: The framers of the Constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.


FULL QUESTION:

Why does the United States have an Electoral College when it would be so easy to directly elect a president, as we do for all the other political offices?

FULL ANSWER:

When U.S. citizens go to the polls to "elect" a president, they are in fact voting for a particular slate of electors. In every state but Maine and Nebraska, the candidate who wins the most votes (that is, a plurality) in the state receives all of the state’s electoral votes. The number of electors in each state is the sum of its U.S. senators and its U.S. representatives. (The District of Columbia has three electoral votes, which is the number of senators and representatives it would have if it were permitted representation in Congress.) The electors meet in their respective states 41 days after the popular election. There, they cast a ballot for president and a second for vice president. A candidate must receive a majority of electoral votes to be elected president.

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called "factions," which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed "the tyranny of the majority" – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could "sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens." Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: "A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking."

As Alexander Hamilton writes in "The Federalist Papers," the Constitution is designed to ensure "that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications." The point of the Electoral College is to preserve "the sense of the people," while at the same time ensuring that a president is chosen "by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice."

In modern practice, the Electoral College is mostly a formality. Most electors are loyal members of the party that has selected them, and in 26 states, plus Washington, D.C., electors are bound by laws or party pledges to vote in accord with the popular vote. Although an elector could, in principle, change his or her vote (and a few actually have over the years), doing so is rare.

As the 2000 election reminded us, the Electoral College does make it possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and still not become president. But that is less a product of the Electoral College and more a product of the way states apportion electors. In every state but Maine and Nebraska, electors are awarded on a winner-take-all basis. So if a candidate wins a state by even a narrow margin, he or she wins all of the state’s electoral votes. The winner-take-all system is not federally mandated; states are free to allocate their electoral votes as they wish.

The Electoral College was not the only Constitutional limitation on direct democracy, though we have discarded most of those limitations. Senators were initially to be appointed by state legislatures, and states were permitted to ban women from voting entirely. Slaves got an even worse deal, as a slave officially was counted as just three-fifths of a person. The 14th Amendment abolished the three-fifths rule and granted (male) former slaves the right to vote. The 17th Amendment made senators subject to direct election, and the 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote.

Joe Miller

On the surface, it seems rather insulting that the founding fathers did not trust a 'true democracy', to vote in the highest office, but somehow that process is fine for all other public offices. If the reasoning is that factions may form against the good of the Country as a whole if the popular vote were allowed to elect POTUS, wouldn't it be easier to form factions of a much smaller number of people (as in the Electoral College)? Remember, the popular vote doesn't vote on specific issues and allocations per se, they are voting for a President (checked by Congress) to make those decisions. The EC is supposedly made up of a higher class of people that are more 'qualified' to weigh the issues that should determine the presidency (somewhat insulting), but the fine for each of them is a paltry $1000 if they choose to go against their State's popular vote. This election I read about an EC member stating that they are not voting for Hillary no matter what his State wanted, and he'd gladly pay the fine. Politics is not my thing, so I'm all for corrections in my logic. But taking into account the 2000 election and now this one, it seems that the EC system may be detrimental to the Country. How about an amendment to abolish the EC? It seems archaic and somewhat ineffective...
 
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