3 lbs a light publication

BobCajun

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boilingoil said:
I understand that their is a limit to production per sq.ft. but if i ran 16 instead of 12 with the same (or at least close) production output I can see 2lbs from a 4x4 Which would equal around 56 grams a sq.ft.
I truly believe I can achieve 2 lb. in a 4x4 with a 600.
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Probably possible if everything is optimized. It's only 1.5 g/w.
 
BobCajun

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loftygoals said:
Thanks! That looks interesting. Do you know the reference? I'd like to have a look at the paper.
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Here's a link. Actually I also found another good one by the same author, Potter from GW Pharma. An interesting thing I saw in it is that seeded weed is about 6% THC while unseeded is about 15%. That explains why no commercial weed in the old days was more than about 6-7% at best, it was all seeded. I thought it was weird how weed all of a sudden got so much more potent. It's simply because growers stopped letting it seed.

I don't know if they were including the weight of the seeds in the testing in the old days or if even the weed itself cleaned of seeds was only that potent. Seeds usually made up about half the weight of weed in those days so if that was included it would explain the lower potency.
 
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ttystikk

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BobCajun said:
Here's a link. Actually I also found another good one by the same author, Potter from GW Pharma. An interesting thing I saw in it is that seeded weed is about 6% THC while unseeded is about 15%. That explains why no commercial weed in the old days was more than about 6-7% at best, it was all seeded. I thought it was weird how weed all of a sudden got so much more potent. It's simply because growers stopped letting it seed.

I don't know if they were including the weight of the seeds in the testing in the old days or if even the weed itself cleaned of seeds was only that potent. Seeds usually made up about half the weight of weed in those days so if that was included it would explain the lower potency.
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Good post. I like homework.

I'd agree with your guess that potency per weight was measured con semilla- with seeds.
 
WeedFreak78

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I wouldn't pay $500 for a grow book, maybe a cool antique book, but definitely not one on growing. Cannabis a herbaceous plant and responds to all the same techniques used in their cultivation. It's not some rare, exotic specimen. Sounds like they are taking (major) advantage of nieve new growers, disgusting imo.

Lp aero/nft hybrid rails (2)12 site systems, rooted clones(4wks old), under custom dual 600w cool tube hood, in a 4x4 area gets me 1-1.25#'s per system, or 2-2.5#s per 1200w. Large dwc tubs(23gal tote), scrogged gets me about the same, in the same area. I'm lazy and don't put too much effort in, if I did, I think 3lb in a 4x4 under 1000w is possible. My custom dual 600 hood gives good spread, but not great penetration, limiting my viable canopy height to around 24". I'm moving up to thouies soon, so with more light and better penetration, I see me getting close to 3lb/light, though I'm happy with 2-2.5#/light if it means less work.

In a professional grow house, with no height limitations and quality lighting and atmosphere, 3lbs per shouldn't be a problem.
 
ttystikk

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WeedFreak78 said:
I wouldn't pay $500 for a grow book, maybe a cool antique book, but definitely not one on growing. Cannabis a herbaceous plant and responds to all the same techniques used in their cultivation. It's not some rare, exotic specimen. Sounds like they are taking (major) advantage of nieve new growers, disgusting imo.

Lp aero/nft hybrid rails (2)12 site systems, rooted clones(4wks old), under custom dual 600w cool tube hood, in a 4x4 area gets me 1-1.25#'s per system, or 2-2.5#s per 1200w. Large dwc tubs(23gal tote), scrogged gets me about the same, in the same area. I'm lazy and don't put too much effort in, if I did, I think 3lb in a 4x4 under 1000w is possible. My custom dual 600 hood gives good spread, but not great penetration, limiting my viable canopy height to around 24". I'm moving up to thouies soon, so with more light and better penetration, I see me getting close to 3lb/light, though I'm happy with 2-2.5#/light if it means less work.

In a professional grow house, with no height limitations and quality lighting and atmosphere, 3lbs per shouldn't be a problem.
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Turns out that even the pros have trouble pulling much more than two a light.
 
BobCajun

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I went to the link in the second post. His method is "remove every single fan leaf first day of flowering". Well, where does he think the florigen comes from, it's the leaves. Fewer leaves, less flowering hormones. The second deleafing at 3 weeks flowering might make sense, though I would say more like 4 or 5 when they actually start to be a problem. And the guy didn't say 3 lbs per what area. As I showed, it's not even hard to get that, with no special techniques, by spreading the light more. Needless to say, $500 for the book is sheer lunacy.
 
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ttystikk said:
Turns out that even the pros have trouble pulling much more than two a light.
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But don't u think that's gonna come down to legit growers working with specific plant numbers and more medical type strains where yield isn't top importance, or trying with an all out yield type strain....wouldn't like a 200 plant sog of like chronic where you're dealing with 100% Rock hard bud top to bottom and next to no veg itme make it a little easier than if u had only 4 or 6 or something plants that u had to veg and train like crazy and still end up with even a small amount of non-primo to get close to those numbers??
 
ttystikk

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whitey78 said:
But don't u think that's gonna come down to legit growers working with specific plant numbers and more medical type strains where yield isn't top importance, or trying with an all out yield type strain....wouldn't like a 200 plant sog of like chronic where you're dealing with 100% Rock hard bud top to bottom and next to no veg itme make it a little easier than if u had only 4 or 6 or something plants that u had to veg and train like crazy and still end up with even a small amount of non-primo to get close to those numbers??
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My numbers come from legitimate professional growers working in commercial spaces.
 
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ttystikk said:
My numbers come from legitimate professional growers working in commercial spaces.
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No bro don't take it like that, I was just trying to say; isn't there just way too many variables to say it's a black and white; yes or no easily answered type question.... And as far as the guys you were talking about, I figured if they're working within the medical community, they are most likely growing medical type strains that yield from horrible to heavy but they're most likely not gonna be tweaking and pushing for max yield or growing straight up commercial type, high yield strains strictly for production/yields sake, they are going to be growing for quality, no? I could be taking that completely from the wrong angle as more is always better when your talking about industry....

And I do have to disagree just a little to be a true dick... But on the real; isn't it more important to you or me whose only running 1 or 2 rooms to make sure we get the most we can when the industry guys have a bit of cushion seeing they have way more of an op to work with and can make up for a lower yield in another room or something?
 
ttystikk

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whitey78 said:
No bro don't take it like that, I was just trying to say; isn't there just way too many variables to say it's a black and white; yes or no easily answered type question.... And as far as the guys you were talking about, I figured if they're working within the medical community, they are most likely growing medical type strains that yield from horrible to heavy but they're most likely not gonna be tweaking and pushing for max yield or growing straight up commercial type, high yield strains strictly for production/yields sake, they are going to be growing for quality, no? I could be taking that completely from the wrong angle as more is always better when your talking about industry....

And I do have to disagree just a little to be a true dick... But on the real; isn't it more important to you or me whose only running 1 or 2 rooms to make sure we get the most we can when the industry guys have a bit of cushion seeing they have way more of an op to work with and can make up for a lower yield in another room or something?
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Well you ARE an arrogant dick, lol

The idea that somehow this is an unknown variable after thousands of people running millions of square feet in every configuration imaginable with every strain under the sun (or lights) coming to the same conclusions is just plain arrogant asf- and therefore ignorant asf.

You know why real ag people hate potheads like you so much? cuz you don't know shit and are too full of it to learn.

I'm not being a dick, I'm just not gonna sugarcoat my disrespect for your underlying assumptions.
 
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whitey78

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Ahhigight now you gotta go EFF yer moms dude, how's the sugar coating on my lack of respect for u now.... Now that's being disrespectful... The topic is being publicized as possible, but you wanna chalk it up to Impossibe period because someone you may or may not know, says they're having a tough time getting 3, can it be done consistently???? Probably not but i feel it's doable under the right methods and conditions, strain...blah blah blah, you don't... . Myself and roughly half this "discussion" agrees it is possible, I can't say I was personally privy to a grow exceeding 3elbows per light but who gives 2 shits about the "industry pros" you know,why don't they come on and say so... How is it were all privy to the same information but you know better? Why are you so much more "in the know than the rest of us", are YOU an industry professional? Didn't think so... I dont claim to be anything im not.... I can most certainly be a dick just like yourself, so stop wenching and cheer the fuck up... Tell skippy to hop on his huffy n go get a prepaid.....Christ man...

How about this... I'll fuck off from posting in this thread until I can factually prove its possible and you fuck off until u can factually disprove it.... I don't give 2/10ths of a fuck what your cousin Frank's, sisters boyfriend who worked at a production facility for a week says no way cuz his co worker that makes $11.00 an hour said its not... No one here is claiming it's something that can be done consistently....

And for real dude go swap the tampon, your point of view is about as good as the dog shit I stepped in.... Suck a fatty, n tell your moms I said hi.....

Now was it really that important you act like a cunt and make me act like a cunt.... I really had to think about why you were so dickish.....but I guess you feel that threatened by a nobody that enjoys the same hobby u do? We're all here for the same thing dude...

Happy holidays and try not to spread anymore cheer.... It's not your thing.....
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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whitey78 said:
Ahhigight now you gotta go EFF yer moms dude, how's the sugar coating on my lack of respect for u now.... Now that's being disrespectful... The topic is being publicized as possible, but you wanna chalk it up to Impossibe period because someone you may or may not know, says they're having a tough time getting 3, can it be done consistently???? Probably not but i feel it's doable under the right methods and conditions, strain...blah blah blah, you don't... . Myself and roughly half this "discussion" agrees it is possible, I can't say I was personally privy to a grow exceeding 3elbows per light but who gives 2 shits about the "industry pros" you know,why don't they come on and say so... How is it were all privy to the same information but you know better? Why are you so much more "in the know than the rest of us", are YOU an industry professional? Didn't think so... I dont claim to be anything im not.... I can most certainly be a dick just like yourself, so stop wenching and cheer the fuck up... Tell skippy to hop on his huffy n go get a prepaid.....Christ man...

How about this... I'll fuck off from posting in this thread until I can factually prove its possible and you fuck off until u can factually disprove it.... I don't give 2/10ths of a fuck what your cousin Frank's, sisters boyfriend who worked at a production facility for a week says no way cuz his co worker that makes $11.00 an hour said its not... No one here is claiming it's something that can be done consistently....

And for real dude go swap the tampon, your point of view is about as good as the dog shit I stepped in.... Suck a fatty, n tell your moms I said hi.....

Now was it really that important you act like a cunt and make me act like a cunt.... I really had to think about why you were so dickish.....but I guess you feel that threatened by a nobody that enjoys the same hobby u do? We're all here for the same thing dude...

Happy holidays and try not to spread anymore cheer.... It's not your thing.....
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EXACTLY my point.

Go crack a textbook, and in the meantime try to grow up.
 
thenotsoesoteric

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ttystikk said:
EXACTLY my point.

Go crack a textbook, and in the meantime try to grow up.
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Honestly reading through these post, it's you who came off shitty. Dude was just making some small talk and you call him names, I mean why are you always quick to put people down?

Anyways maybe smoke some of that weed your growing and cheer up, life is short.
 
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