Is there anything currently better then amare?

PetFlora said:
If you don't know what you are talking about (which is quite obvious, sit on the sidelines. All you are doing is expanding the bad info. It is a 450, the OP has it wrong
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what the link showed was a 350 dont stress over it.

And it is way over priced.

He even says amare ss.350.uvb

http://www.amaretechnologies.com/ss.350.uvb.html the link....

I would not pay $500 for that.

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-4-cob-grow-light-kit/

Now for $500 I might consider this one which I like better than that one.
 
Those Amare go a little further than just cob. They have monos too including uv. That makes a difference. I don't know that I would still buy one. I would get a diy kit and add uv later with a floro.
 
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whitebb2727 said:
Those Amare go a little further than just cob. They have monos too including uv. That makes a difference. I don't know that I would still buy one. I would get a diy kit and add uv later with a floro.
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Yeah I see they have a couple special bonuses......and if you buy now....but wait!

It would be much cheaper to buy a comparable Timber light for the cobs and add an led light and a UV light....and you'd still have money left over.

They are over priced that is why they are not that appealing to the wallet.
 
whitebb2727 said:
Those Amare go a little further than just cob. They have monos too including uv. That makes a difference. I don't know that I would still buy one. I would get a diy kit and add uv later with a floro.
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THIS.

The tech for UV LED isn't mature yet; the chips don't last very long, not by any fault of the fixture maker.

For UV supplementation, it makes much more sense to have a separate circuit so they can be OFF anytime people are around them.

Fucking UV exposure is going to be responsible for a lot of old growers with macular degeneration. Don't be one of them; wear UVA/UVB blocking sunglasses and shut your UV lighting circuit off before even peeking in the space.
 
Check into their newer lights. The Pro-3's & 4's cover area very well being longer.
Uberknot said:
Yeah I see they have a couple special bonuses......and if you buy now....but wait!

It would be much cheaper to buy a comparable Timber light for the cobs and add an led light and a UV light....and you'd still have money left over.

They are over priced that is why they are not that appealing to the wallet.
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They are less then $2 a watt guy. It's been said several times.

To the OP, shoot em an e-mail. I guarantee you Victor will not ask you for msrp pricing.

If you're trying to get the best coverage I recommend the highly versatile Pro-4's or 3's. They are so freaking bright!
I love the SE-450 & it's an excellent value & kills it @ 3'6", but the Pro-3's n 4's coverage it's amazing. image.jpg
 
Uberknot said:
Yeah I see they have a couple special bonuses......and if you buy now....but wait!

It would be much cheaper to buy a comparable Timber light for the cobs and add an led light and a UV light....and you'd still have money left over.

They are over priced that is why they are not that appealing to the wallet.
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Kind of why I said buy a diy and add uv.

Other than that no real reason to bash amare. The use quality parts and have a good warranty. They work. Plenty of users here have shown that.

Maybe some people don't want to build. They want to buy a plug and play panel.
 
Hybridway said:
Check into their newer lights. The Pro-3's & 4's cover area very well being longer.


They are less then $2 a watt guy. It's been said several times.

To the OP, shoot em an e-mail. I guarantee you Victor will not ask you for msrp pricing.

If you're trying to get the best coverage I recommend the highly versatile Pro-4's or 3's. They are so freaking bright!
I love the SE-450 & it's an excellent value & kills it @ 3'6", but the Pro-3's n 4's coverage it's amazing. View attachment 3848705
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whitebb2727 said:
Kind of why I said buy a diy and add uv.

Other than that no real reason to bash amare. The use quality parts and have a good warranty. They work. Plenty of users here have shown that.

Maybe some people don't want to build. They want to buy a plug and play panel.
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Different strokes for different folks asked my opinion I gave it ;) I am going to say it again.

The price is way out of range for $1145 I don't care if it's 350w or 450w.

I think building your own is the only way to go unless you want to buy one of the timber lights and save a few bucks without all the fuss of tracking down all the parts.
 
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I'm a lurker here but this thread is off the rails. Hybridway is obviously such a shill for amare it's "plain" obvious. I love how he uses "plain" to define COBs, especially a new series not more than a month old.

Telling someone that a fixture using outdated COBs + "enhanced spectrum" can beat a cutting edge COB at the same wattage will only work on someone that doesn't understand photobiology. To a certain extent, red and blue have a better return on quantum yield but it's really not that much of an increase; especially when you go to higher PPFD intensities where green is king because the outer choloroplasts are saturated since <1% of red light reaches the inner ones while ~90% of green light does.

Adding smaller diodes consisting of red/blue is a waste of time, efficiency, money, and most importantly, plant growth. Stick with 3500k/4000k 80 CRI on a newer generation COB and your light will destroy everything else out there on the market that isn't quantum board tech. If you want more blue, then add a 5000k 80CRI. If you want more red, swap for a 3000k 90CRI.

TL;DR: Raw photons + Sieve effect > "enhanced spectrum". End of story.
 
What I like about TImber is that they tell you the real specs. One of the only honest LED companies I have seen. What a shady business it can be.. I'm hoping that the price comes down over time..

BTW, has anyone noticed the price of CFL's lately? Off the charts... Plus Walmart doesn't even carry them anymore.. At least in my area..
 
sunny747 said:
What I like about TImber is that they tell you the real specs. One of the only honest LED companies I have seen. What a shady business it can be.. I'm hoping that the price comes down over time..

BTW, has anyone noticed the price of CFL's lately? Off the charts... Plus Walmart doesn't even carry them anymore.. At least in my area..
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They don't last, aren't cheaper to make than LED, less efficient and contain mercury.

I'm not seeing this as a bad thing.
 
PetFlora said:
What separates Amare is the judicial use of diodes to enhance the PAR spectrum. Others are good, but amare is a step beyond
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I like the idea of an enhanced spectrum. I also know that plenty of professional growers and light builders have tested 'enhanced' spectrums and found that any benefit is negligible at best and ends up adding cost and losing efficiency in most cases. It sounds like a great idea in theory. The bottom line though is that there isn't a difference that is even noticeable to the majority of users.

Here's a great example. The 900w Amare Pro 9 is $2000. The Timber 400w Vero 29v7 is $540. For $2160 you get 1600w of Timber cobs in a prebuilt system.
So now tell me, will you grow more from the 900w Amare or will you grow more from the 1600w of Timber? One thing for sure is that neither gives better quality. You get a better warranty with Amare but have you ever heard of anyone even having to use a warranty with a pre-built cob system? Very few failures from reports I've seen. LED's are extremely reliable, as are meanwell drivers.

So yeah, you could spend $2000 and get a 900w Amare. Or you could spend $1080 and get 800w of Timber cobs.
I get that the Amare are a very decent pre-built system, even if their website is dysfunctional and they don't publish thorough specs. I would love to own one actually but I'm on that huge boat full of people that need to get the most out of their dollar. So even if the 400w Timber light gets me 95% of the yield that an Amare will, it costs almost half the price. It's a no brainer for most people.

The 400w Timber light costs $1.34 per watt. Lower than anything on the list shown earlier in the thread by a mile and almost half of an Amare SE 450.

Half price is pretty hard to pass up on when you consider the results are basically identical.
 
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Uberknot said:
what the link showed was a 350 dont stress over it.

And it is way over priced.

He even says amare ss.350.uvb

http://www.amaretechnologies.com/ss.350.uvb.html the link....

I would not pay $500 for that.

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-4-cob-grow-light-kit/

Now for $500 I might consider this one which I like better than that one.
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Ah, as I said: i was not aware. If that was $1145 I would agree, but it is a 2-3 years old design product, and the raw materials prices have come down quite a bit since then, while led cob quality has increased quite a bit as well. It's all relative to time and place

But even them that equates to $3/w, not exactly ripping people off
 
PetFlora said:
Ah, as I said: i was not aware. If that was $1145 I would agree, but it is a 2-3 years old design product, and the raw materials prices have come down quite a bit since then, while led cob quality has increased quite a bit as well. It's all relative to time and place

But even them that equates to $3/w, not exactly ripping people off
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I do not think so man....$3 a watt is a Huge rip off. Fucking HUGE!

Esp for older tech.

Prices are changing fast they better regroup and upgrade or they will end up left behind.
 
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PetFlora said:
Ah, as I said: i was not aware. If that was $1145 I would agree, but it is a 2-3 years old design product, and the raw materials prices have come down quite a bit since then, while led cob quality has increased quite a bit as well. It's all relative to time and place

But even them that equates to $3/w, not exactly ripping people off
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Uberknot said:
I do not think so man....$3 a watt is a Huge rip off. Fucking HUGE!

Esp for older tech.

Prices are changing fast they better regroup and upgrade or they will end up left behind.
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I see both sides of this. Chip prices are dropping, making $3/W much less of a bargain than just a year or two ago. The buyer has to do their homework and decide what is right for them, their budget and in the case of DIY, their skills.

Amare isn't a scam outfit, they aren't ripping people off. At worst, they're stuck with aging inventory they need to get out from under so they can get on with making better fixtures for less.

As anyone in it will attest, this COB LED lighting business is no easy game; it moves extremely quickly in terms of improvements and price changes, both of which are inherently hard to predict and therefore plan for. I have a lot of respect for those who enter it (for the right reasons, at least) and even more for those who succeed.
 
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