Is there anything currently better then amare?

Danielson999

Danielson999

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Hybridway said:
Man, you just took my opinions & what I know & turned it all around on me w/o even considering that I may have a point.
Why do you think I am a shill?
I share my findings & results no matter what they are.
I'm actually offended right now. For real. It's getting sickening. Just because I like what o use & am happy w/ the results I'm a shill?
If anything I have more of a right to recommend something then 1/2 the poeple that do w/o ever handling the product.
That's messed up.
Most of these guys never touched a light or even seen results from that comp. yet recommend it. I have & that should give me the right to recommend it as well as share my opinion.
Don't know how to quote each sentence so bare w/ me.
- Amare is no more money then any good cob light out there. ($2 a watt) Even less expensive then some but we all know damn well they cost allot more to produce.
- one can play Cob Salad all day to enhance their spectrum but it does not blend nearly as well.
- none of those growers ever compared Amare to their pre-built cob fixture
- they do produce higher GPW & g/sq' then HPS. I've documented it.
- You saying my finding are not legit is beyond hurtful. I work really hard to do these grows & share. I'm as honest as they come & don't care if my opinions are false, I'm only interested I the truth. I will openly admit when I'm wrong asxwe as always giving others props. You'll never see me hating on anyone unless they attack me & even that is as truthful as possible.
- allot has to do w/ the grower, absolutely. But I've compared to Burple & light is NOT just light. Spectrum plays a huge part. Side by side show that.
- Amare does have their own light recipe. And I've shared it w/ others trying to DIY several times. It's not a secret sauce. It's a science.
- I didn't go on the Quantum Board thread talking about Amare @ all. You're telling stories that are no where near true.
I brought a valid point about air-flow to the table. That was it. Whenever I try to be helpful there's always someone like you looking for the worst thing to say about me. It's not fair & ain't right. All because I recommend the product I like & have actual experience using. God forbid, right? WTF! You don't hear me knocking anyone unless they deserve it. I do not.
- I have not seen Victors reports. Only have discussed the matter. Although there are plenty of documented results out there that are all good as well as reviews. How can you deny that?
- if you think I'm full of BS, you should look further into it. I don't lie & if you think I do, I'd love to see even one example.
- to say I'm a shill is wrong. Guys recomending lights w/ authority they've never handled & diss guys like me are the true shills. That's wrong. I provide info & try to help others all the time. Also, I do not disrespect others in the process.
Please recognize these things.
The disrespect you portray is contagious obviously. This place could be so much more helpful to others if not for this kind hating.
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Cob salad, that has a ring to it. Made me chuckle out loud.
You did just finish saying that you thought the Amare will yield 2-4oz(I think) more and have better terpines but then went on to say it's just your opinion and you haven't done the side by sides yet. So if you are already expecting a healthy increase it tends to jade a persons results when you get to the actual testing. Not saying you will but it happens on here alot and you probably know that anyway.

And you did go into the Quantum thread and talked about the Suncloak (not Amare) Horizon as a good alternative. Remember?

Anyway, let's not bog this thread up anymore. This place just frustrates me sometimes like it does to so many others but the hobby is alot of fun along with seeing others thoughts and grows. I like watching your grows, they are clinical to say the least. It's just hard seeing you throw shade around in so many threads. Maybe it's just me! I still like the sound of a Cob Salad...
 
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TogiX

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I don't know where you found "hate" in my post. I simply called you a shill then laid down some facts. I concluded you were a shill because nobody in their right mind would convince another person to buy a fixture that is 35-45% efficient (the UVB light throws this down a good bit), for ~2.2$/w, when you can get a premade fixture that is 55% efficient and costing around 1.5$/w; even less if you DIY. Personally I think 1$/w @55% efficiency is realistic if you go the DIY route and manage to keep the thermal control cost effective.

> - one can play Cob Salad all day to enhance their spectrum but it does not blend nearly as well.
Objectively false, but the burden of proof is on you. Please detail how mono light colors somehow mix better than white light as we're dealing with photosynthesis.

> - none of those growers ever compared Amare to their pre-built cob fixture
Why would they? If you have a COB fixture then there's really no reason to downgrade.

> - they do produce higher GPW & g/sq' then HPS. I've documented it.
A good gardener with HPS can reach 1gpw, with COB lights we have people hitting 1.8gpw so beating HPS doesn't mean much like it used to.

> - allot has to do w/ the grower, absolutely. But I've compared to Burple & light is NOT just light. Spectrum plays a huge part. Side by side show that.
This is my opinion here, but I think spectrum is mainly a tool for photomorphogenesis purposes. Like I said before, raw photons > everything else is negligible. We're talking 5-10% increase in quantum yield at a given intensity at most; and as intensity increases, so do the preferred spectrums (AKA: green is king).

> - to say I'm a shill is wrong. Guys recomending lights w/ authority they've never handled & diss guys like me are the true shills. That's wrong. I provide info & try to help others all the time. Also, I do not disrespect others in the process.
You're right, I shouldn't have done that. I should have dismissed your comment to the OP by suggesting that you have confirmatory bias.
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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Danielson999 said:
Cob salad, that has a ring to it. Made me chuckle out loud.
You did just finish saying that you thought the Amare will yield 2-4oz(I think) more and have better terpines but then went on to say it's just your opinion and you haven't done the side by sides yet. So if you are already expecting a healthy increase it tends to jade a persons results when you get to the actual testing. Not saying you will but it happens on here alot and you probably know that anyway.

And you did go into the Quantum thread and talked about the Suncloak (not Amare) Horizon as a good alternative. Remember?

Anyway, let's not bog this thread up anymore. This place just frustrates me sometimes like it does to so many others but the hobby is alot of fun along with seeing others thoughts and grows. I like watching your grows, they are clinical to say the least. It's just hard seeing you throw shade around in so many threads. Maybe it's just me! I still like the sound of a Cob Salad...
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I need at least you to understand. Although I have a suspected opinion on something, does not make me biased. I always state when something is my opinion. Whether others choose to agree w/ me or not is another story.
I have bugged out on my LEDs when I thought they weren't doing as well as my HPS in front of everyone. No matter what, the facts are the truth.
I feel allot of poeple are so invested into their DIY & proud, that because I run Amare they automatically would like to think I'm dogging them. That's just not the case though.
Please just try to understand, i am only trying to contribute so to help others make educated decisions.
A cob user shares his experience, I share mine, others share there's. Someone decides on what they believe after researching, partially w/ us. It's not ever meant to be an argument.
I love growing n dig my LEDs, that's it.
Thank you for considering that!
Ha! I like the Cob salad too though! Wanna build one so bad!
Peace!
 
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Uberknot

Uberknot

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Danielson999 said:
I agree, the KIND led lights have a spectrum that even surpasses Amare. It obviously must grow better terpines and higher yield than any other light on the market.
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Check out this 3w led beast. :D https://platinumgrowlights.com/products/p1200
TogiX said:
I don't know where you found "hate" in my post. I simply called you a shill then laid down some facts. I concluded you were a shill because nobody in their right mind would convince another person to buy a fixture that is 35-45% efficient (the UVB light throws this down a good bit), for ~2.2$/w, when you can get a premade fixture that is 55% efficient and costing around 1.5$/w; even less if you DIY. Personally I think 1$/w @55% efficiency is realistic if you go the DIY route and manage to keep the thermal control cost effective.

> - one can play Cob Salad all day to enhance their spectrum but it does not blend nearly as well.
Objectively false, but the burden of proof is on you. Please detail how mono light colors somehow mix better than white light as we're dealing with photosynthesis.

> - none of those growers ever compared Amare to their pre-built cob fixture
Why would they? If you have a COB fixture then there's really no reason to downgrade.

> - they do produce higher GPW & g/sq' then HPS. I've documented it.
A good gardener with HPS can reach 1gpw, with COB lights we have people hitting 1.8gpw so beating HPS doesn't mean much like it used to.

> - allot has to do w/ the grower, absolutely. But I've compared to Burple & light is NOT just light. Spectrum plays a huge part. Side by side show that.
This is my opinion here, but I think spectrum is mainly a tool for photomorphogenesis purposes. Like I said before, raw photons > everything else is negligible. We're talking 5-10% increase in quantum yield at a given intensity at most; and as intensity increases, so do the preferred spectrums (AKA: green is king).

> - to say I'm a shill is wrong. Guys recomending lights w/ authority they've never handled & diss guys like me are the true shills. That's wrong. I provide info & try to help others all the time. Also, I do not disrespect others in the process.
You're right, I shouldn't have done that. I should have dismissed your comment to the OP by suggesting that you have confirmatory bias.
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lol
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Hybridway said:
What o don't understand is why so many pro-white cob only users totally ignore the R+B, R+D that had the led industry making only Burple?
It's like they have never considered that there's a happy medium between the two, like most things.
Also, most folks know Amare was amongst the first or the very first comp. to utilize white cobs. W/ that said, they had the chance to run just cobs. After speaking to Victor about it 18 months ago, he's response was that extensive testing proved the enhanced was the way to go. (More scientific of an answer actually to do w/ plant morphology)
He could've had a much higher profit-margin going w/ just cobs but decided it was only a compromise in comparison determined through testing.
Not that cobs don't produce well, just that he found the enhanced to produce better.
Which makes perfect sense considering research.
But to each his own. The fact that we can buy enhanced for the same price as straight white providing matching efficiency & photons makes it the choice for me along w/ what Ive seen in plant response running both.
I truly believe the Terpin profile would be better & there would be approx a 2-4 oz. yield increase per 400w fixture. Now before anyone acts crazy over that statement, it is only my opinion.
I've yet to do a full on side by side but have intended to all year.
This next run will be all Amare & SunCloak but I just set-up the cloner the other night & made 3 of my favorite plants to grow along w/ 3 of everything. So, the ones that turn out to be equals will be used.
I inteand on using them for a direct side by side using the Amare vs. white cob.
I truly hope to find out the truth & share my findings w/ everyone.
The reason for making 3 clones of my Sensi-Star is to run HPS against both.
There's so many poeple running side by sides now using HPS & cobs but none are in a thread. Why is that, mmmmnnnhh?
I've seen about 5 so far but never one on RIU. Yet so many boast that there Cobber is an HPS killer, never having used HPS before. I hate that.
All I care about is the truth.
Personally, I'd pay double for a fixture that consistently produces even 1oz more per light. But that's just me.
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I don't think there are as many people as you make out that are against supplementing white COB's with other LED's to change the spectrum. I think the main argument is the added cost vs improved quality or yield, is it worth it. I'm planning on doing a QB light with added spectrum soon.
 
Uberknot

Uberknot

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This stuff here is very interesting.
Published on Mar 25, 2016
PlatinumLED Grow Lights P300 vs Kind L300 vs Mars Hydro vs Amare vs GalaxyHydro - 5 way comparison

Here we PAR test and perform spectral analysis on 5 competing LED grow lights: The PlatinumLED Grow Lights P300, Kind L300, Amare Solarspec, Mars Hydro 300w and GalaxyHydro 300w. What we can illustrate is that there is a huge variance in LED grow light quality and intensity. Cheaper, inferior LED grow lights only cost you time and money while delivering substandard results while paying more for an LED grow light doesn't always mean higher performance.

 
Uberknot

Uberknot

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Danielson999 said:
Oh for sure. So did the guy forget the lights on each side of the PlatinumLED were on too when he took that reading?
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LOL they were not.......you can go back and look at light sources and reflections from each light when on.

Anyhow the facts are they are better than all of them and they cost too much!! lol!
 
Danielson999

Danielson999

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$539 for a P450 is a 450w light that draws 255w max from the wall or about 28w per sqft in a 3'x3' and $2.11 per watt.

So a guy would need a P600 for a 3'x3' to rock it. $659 for a 600w light that draws 345w or 38w per sqft at $1.91 per watt.

Or for the more adventurous, the $949 P900 for a 3'x3'. 900w light that draws 515w or 57w per sqft at $1.84 per watt

For a 4'x4' they have a $1299 P900. 1200w light that draws 690w or 43w per sqft at $1.88 per watt.

For comparison a Timber 600w Vero 29v7 is $949 and draws 600w or 37.5w per sqft at $1.58 a watt.

NGL Photon 180V Vero 29 Gen7 x 3 = $1080 and draws 570w or 35.6w per sqft at $1.89 a watt.

Quantum Board x 8@1400ma+8 heatsinks+2 MW HLG-320+ hooks/hangers = $1100(approx) and draws 640(approx) or 40w per sqft at $1.71 per watt.

For whatever that's worth.
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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Danielson999 said:
$539 for a P450 is a 450w light that draws 255w max from the wall or about 28w per sqft in a 3'x3' and $2.11 per watt.

So a guy would need a P600 for a 3'x3' to rock it. $659 for a 600w light that draws 345w or 38w per sqft at $1.91 per watt.

Or for the more adventurous, the $949 P900 for a 3'x3'. 900w light that draws 515w or 57w per sqft at $1.84 per watt

For a 4'x4' they have a $1299 P900. 1200w light that draws 690w or 43w per sqft at $1.88 per watt.

For comparison a Timber 600w Vero 29v7 is $949 and draws 600w or 37.5w per sqft at $1.58 a watt.

NGL Photon 180V Vero 29 Gen7 x 3 = $1080 and draws 570w or 35.6w per sqft at $1.89 a watt.

Quantum Board x 8@1400ma+8 heatsinks+2 MW HLG-320+ hooks/hangers = $1100(approx) and draws 640(approx) or 40w per sqft at $1.71 per watt.

For whatever that's worth.
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640 watts on 8 quantum boards would blast a 4x4 lol.

A better comparison of similar amounts of light to the platinum would be 4 quantum boards on 2x HLG 120H-C1400 or 2 HLG 240-240H-C2100s. The quantum boards are twice as efficient as platinum. Honestly.........

4 boards on the 2 240 drivers is a bad ass combo...... We will be offering a fully assembled unit that is different from anything anyone's done with led in this config. I can tell you it matches or beats a 1000 watt hortilux in a magnum xxl all the way out to 6'.
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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Danielson999 said:
Well, people on here like to blast away. 500w in a 4'x4' doesn't raise eyebrows. Sounds interesting though. Maybe 4 QB's on 2 - HLG-320's, it would save $400 (4 less heatsinks/boards) and make it $700 for 640w and 40w per sqft at $1.09 per watt. :shock:
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Yeah 530 watts doesn't sound like much but at 160 lm/w at system level vs 130 lm/w of cxb3590 @ 1400 ma(50 watts) each it's easy to see that 530 watts = 650 watts.......

If you jumped up to 320s it would be closer to 150 lm/w and ends up pulling 700 watts at the wall......

Testing will have to be done to see if a fan would be needed in this setup. I'm presuming yes.
 
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