If you could only get 1 TGA

Flagg420

Flagg420

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So if I get the skill level and grow tech of the breeder himself, I may get up to.... a 3/4 ratio....

I will stick with feminized or clones for now, my mother didn't raise a C student. 25% waste is too high for a grow as small as mine. We can't all grow 20 plants just to throw 5 out....
 
subcoolgrower

subcoolgrower

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Flagg420 said:
So if I get the skill level and grow tech of the breeder himself, I may get up to.... a 3/4 ratio....

I will stick with feminized or clones for now, my mother didn't raise a C student. 25% waste is too high for a grow as small as mine. We can't all grow 20 plants just to throw 5 out....
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To Each His own my friend I understand but I failed 9th grade its not that hard and your missing the cream of the crop :)
 
Mroutdoors

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I started with total of five seeds. Three space candy and two Jilly Bean's. All germinated easily. One male of each strain. For a first time grower I'd say that's pretty good. My plants have been strong and healthy. This coming Sunday will be the third week of 12/12. I'll get some pics tonight and post them
 
Flagg420

Flagg420

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Some day I too will be able to grow plants for 2 months just to throw them away.... for now tho, even 2/5 is 2 too many.

My grow is 100% legal, and I have to keep it that way for now. Thats 12 plants total. From seedling to harvest day, 12. Ya got 4-6 weeks in veg, before at least 2 more in flower.... before you even know if you have a useful plant. That would lead to me having a dead space between my harvests...

Its not wise to go off your meds, even for something that might be really nice....

Cream of the crop is nice, but I don't have the means to grow out an entire field to get it. If I want TGA, I will get it from a local dispensary, every strain they ever have clones of is TGA:SC

Clones also means I don't have to worry about rolling the dice on the sex, and then letting it ride to hope I also get the right pheno.

I like 21st century growing, what good is science if we don't apply it :) Hydroponics, LEDs, clones, feminized seeds, I fuckin' love it...

When legalization finally happens, I will sow a fence line of TGA seeds in the back yard, but til then... I'll let others do the hard wasteful work of finding the 'right' seed....
 
Vnsmkr

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I agree with MJ92705, if growing this beautiful plant is wasteful work, what are you even doing here? Maybe just the choice of words you used.
 
Flagg420

Flagg420

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I got a full time job, a wife, and 2 kids (2yr, and 4months) and the wife runs 3rd shift, I run 2nd... Time is valuable, and so is space in my limited plant garden. Yea, I call 3 months of work +nutes + space on a plant that just gets chopped up and tossed in the compost bin wasteful....

Is the task of finding the good plants wasteful? Fuck no.

But in MY garden? Damn right it is.... I need every damn plant to produce, or I go without. Theres simply no room for 'maybe'
 
Mroutdoors

Mroutdoors

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Flagg420 said:
Some day I too will be able to grow plants for 2 months just to throw them away.... for now tho, even 2/5 is 2 too many.

My grow is 100% legal, and I have to keep it that way for now. Thats 12 plants total. From seedling to harvest day, 12. Ya got 4-6 weeks in veg, before at least 2 more in flower.... before you even know if you have a useful plant. That would lead to me having a dead space between my harvests...

Its not wise to go off your meds, even for something that might be really nice....

Cream of the crop is nice, but I don't have the means to grow out an entire field to get it. If I want TGA, I will get it from a local dispensary, every strain they ever have clones of is TGA:SC

Clones also means I don't have to worry about rolling the dice on the sex, and then letting it ride to hope I also get the right pheno.

I like 21st century growing, what good is science if we don't apply it :) Hydroponics, LEDs, clones, feminized seeds, I fuckin' love it...

When legalization finally happens, I will sow a fence line of TGA seeds in the back yard, but til then... I'll let others do the hard wasteful work of finding the 'right' seed....
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I'm totally legal too. Here I have just three left out of five that's true. But for me I'm just growing for only MY personal use. The three I have left have my 4'/8'/80" tent packed full and I'm sure it's going to be quality smoke. In fact back to its just for my very own personal use, I'm sure it's going to last until I decide to do the next grow
 
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Flagg420 said:
I got a full time job, a wife, and 2 kids (2yr, and 4months) and the wife runs 3rd shift, I run 2nd... Time is valuable, and so is space in my limited plant garden. Yea, I call 3 months of work +nutes + space on a plant that just gets chopped up and tossed in the compost bin wasteful....

Is the task of finding the good plants wasteful? Fuck no.

But in MY garden? Damn right it is.... I need every damn plant to produce, or I go without. Theres simply no room for 'maybe'
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Your talking like an amateur... if you don't know why regular seed is better (in most ways, however they do have their benefits) you obviously aren't far enough along in your evolution as a grower... in the grow game; close mindedness/know it all-ness is a sign of lacking experience aside from what u know, which there's nothing wrong with... but sometimes you do actually gotta climb over the fence n check out the grass to actually realize it's greener.... theres too many reasons to say why regular seeds are better and feminized are destroying the cannabis gene pool, passing on the worst trait known to breeders every single time a plant is "selfies" as well as losing hybrid vigor.... if growing regular seeds is too much work and too costly; I hear scrap-booking is reasonably priced...

Let's not forget the lack of reputable breeders that dole out genetics they more than likely "borrowed" from the guys that actually grow regular beans...

I only wanna add a single "why regulars are better" statement n I'm going back to werk...

With feminized seeds you get a single set of genetics, not a whole lot of variation (which is kinda good) but that's it.... with regular seeds/hybrids you have the possibility of a 1 in a 100, 1 in a 1000, 10,000, 1,000,000 because there's a bonus to all that work, something called recessive traits that may only be expressed every 1000 seeds even though the cross is already kick ass, cherry lemonade Jack the Ripper or cherry ak47 come to mind first.... that pain in the ass variation is actually a blessing cuz you get to pick to one YOU like and when something recessive that pops up and your lucky enough to grab it, you get to keep and breed more with it.... I'd advise giving credit where it is due but we know how that goes....
 
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whitey78

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Hermaphroditism... not only is it a trait in all female mj plants, it's a buried reproductive trait that in most cases wouldn't show up but because it's forced one way or another, the lines beyond that stress instance are going to be predisposed to that.... on a 8-9 week strain will usually lead to selfie seeds if it shows at week 4 or you'll get end of life nanners (best case scenario) if you happen to get one that the skeet force is strong at week 4..... you can end up with a garden full of seeds....

now not only is it a trait that's gonna be passed on at the breeders level, it's now been forced to be active in the batch of seeds that your favorite breeder is gonna be packing up for your purchase....maybe it'll show up, maybe not, I'm in no way saying it's a definite, I've grown plenty of fem seeds with no problem at all..

regular seeds are also susceptible to this trait, but it's not part of a regular seed breeding program.... Selfing (aka causing a female plant to grow male flowers via a stress or chemical of some sort to self pollinate so your working with a target strain/pheno where only one set of parental genes are carried to the next line (causing the more uniformed look of fem seeds to regular seeds phenotypes))...

There's NOTHING wrong with feminized seeds, NOT ALL FEM SEEDS HERM.... they're just more likely to than regulars.... I personally grow them occasionally when I can't get what I want in regular... but I can for certain tell u fem seed grows slower than regular.... and as more and more of the fake ass breeders of the world decide they were born to breed and go on chucking pollen mixed with silver nitrate, you're going to start seeing more anomalies... like full on male plants that should be feminized or female..

My point being, they should not be bred with, they are for the grower that is growing 1 or 2 seeds at a time and need them to be females... other than that there's no reason for an experienced grower to pop 5 regular seeds at a time... by the time u can sex the plant you could barely call the resources used a waste....

Like I said... with fem seeds you may be getting that "as advertised" strain, but there's nothing like planting 5 -10 reg seeds and picking the one u like best..., feminized seed are made mostly by sellout breeders that either can't or won't share the details of their cross because there's a good chance the credit of work belongs to someone else....

Tell me if I'm wrong..., when I get sorted through the 3-4 strains multiple phenos I'll be working with, I'll start a thread and let you guys pick a strain that comes in reg and fem and we'll see where it lands.... but I started with fem seeds because of simplicity many years ago, now the only way I buy fem is if I can't get the same strain in regular....

I really wish sub would explain it as he has many many times but he doesn't sell only regular seeds for any other reason than overall they proved to be better....And again I still say if fem is for you, that's the way it is... but broaden your horizons a little before knocking reg and why we choose to use them, which comes down phenotype expression.... yeah u can pop a pack of fem and know what your gonna get, but I can pop a pack of reg and still know what im gonna get without getting to technical, with the off chance that there's going to be something extra special that you have absolutely no chance of getting with a feminized seed...


Also if u now notice the best breeders in the world seem to stick with regular beans...

Gage green
Tga
Bohdi
Serious
Sensi and a million others.... if they do have any kind of feminized strains its most likely to keep their genetics a secret
 
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Flagg420

Flagg420

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whitey78 said:
Your talking like an amateur... if you don't know why regular seed is better (in most ways, however they do have their benefits) you obviously aren't far enough along in your evolution as a grower... in the grow game; close mindedness/know it all-ness is a sign of lacking experience aside from what u know, which there's nothing wrong with... but sometimes you do actually gotta climb over the fence n check out the grass to actually realize it's greener.... theres too many reasons to say why regular seeds are better and feminized are destroying the cannabis gene pool, passing on the worst trait known to breeders every single time a plant is "selfies" as well as losing hybrid vigor.... if growing regular seeds is too much work and too costly; I hear scrap-booking is reasonably priced...

Let's not forget the lack of reputable breeders that dole out genetics they more than likely "borrowed" from the guys that actually grow regular beans...

I only wanna add a single "why regulars are better" statement n I'm going back to werk...

With feminized seeds you get a single set of genetics, not a whole lot of variation (which is kinda good) but that's it.... with regular seeds/hybrids you have the possibility of a 1 in a 100, 1 in a 1000, 10,000, 1,000,000 because there's a bonus to all that work, something called recessive traits that may only be expressed every 1000 seeds even though the cross is already kick ass, cherry lemonade Jack the Ripper or cherry ak47 come to mind first.... that pain in the ass variation is actually a blessing cuz you get to pick to one YOU like and when something recessive that pops up and your lucky enough to grab it, you get to keep and breed more with it.... I'd advise giving credit where it is due but we know how that goes....
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I guess once you start growing a certain way you just cant contemplate the other point of view... just in case tho, I will try again...

I can't afford the time, space, or money to produce 100 plants, or 1000, because one or two 'might' be amazingly super bad ass.... I am not a commercial breeder, I am a medicinal grower, and I WANT the stability of a single set of genetics... I don't want to HOPE my plant gives me flowers that female, and potent, and rich in the proper cannabinoids for my needs....

Regular seeds are a great thing for people who can afford to 'play' in hopes of finding something special.... I need to know what I am getting into when I go in, I leave gambling to people with warehouses of weed plants and the desire to cull 25-50% of them.... I want fem'd and clones.

Someone else can grow out that 1 in a 1000... I will buy a cutting from them.
 
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