Pile of curing weed

[a senile fungus]

http://www.chromatographyonline.com/investigating-solvent-purity-using-comprehensive-gas-chromatography-study-acetones

"Acetone is produced directly or indirectly from propylene. Approximately 83% of acetone is produced via the cumene process, as a result, acetone production is tied to phenol production. In the cumene process, benzene is alkylated with propylene to produce cumene, which is oxidized by air to produce phenol and acetone:"
http://www.chromatographyonline.com/lcgc/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=666757&sk=&date=& &pageID=2
List of 99% or better acetone analysis 21 brands

"All 21 acetone sources were found to contain four of the common acetone impurities expected; diacetone alcohol (2-pentanone,4-hydroxy-4-methyl-), mesityl oxide (3-penten-2-one,4-methyl-), phorone (2,5-heptadien-4-one,2,6-dimethyl-) and phenol"

"A large number and broad range ofdifferent chemical impurities were found, dependent upon the acetone source. These chemical impurities ranged in complexity from simple organic acids, alkanes and olefins, to a variety of substituted benzylcompounds (to highlight just a few)."

 

[a senile fungus]

ahhh ok, that's right.

ok, so then if we try to decarboxylate fast at higher temps then terpenes and other type things break down?

Decarboxylating plant material, also alters the taste (roasted/toasted), which some find less agreeable, and of course decarboxylating also evaporates away the smaller Monoterpenes and Sequiterpenes alcohols, phenols, ketones, aldehydes, ethers, and esters.

Over 70% decarb leads THC to break down into CBN.

https://skunkpharmresearch.com/decarboxylation/

 

[waterproof808]

I cant even hang dry in 5 days where I live, let alone do a complete cure. RH is usually above 75% here. I have lost entire harvests from mold due to a dehumidifier that shut off while I was out of town, and even though I still had a fan going and much lower temperature than the OP's method it still was ruined. So it is very hard for me to believe stuffing a bunch of wet herb in a plastic box and heating it up with minimal ventilation and air movement would not completely ruin buds.
Bob, Would you mind posting a close up of an individual nug? And then crack one open and show what the insides look like?

 

[BobCajun]

I cant even hang dry in 5 days where I live, let alone do a complete cure. RH is usually above 75% here. I have lost entire harvests from mold due to a dehumidifier that shut off while I was out of town, and even though I still had a fan going and much lower temperature than the OP's method it still was ruined. So it is very hard for me to believe stuffing a bunch of wet herb in a plastic box and heating it up with minimal ventilation and air movement would not completely ruin buds.
Bob, Would you mind posting a close up of an individual nug? And then crack one open and show what the insides look like?

Looks like the outside. I don't have any on hand now so you'll have to trust me. Seems like mold doesn't like temps above room much. The only time I saw a few spots was when I put a layer of parchment over top of the pile and the buds were still on the stalks and all the leaves weren't trimmed off yet. Using the manicured buds and nothing on top there was no sign of mold at all. I actually would be a lot more concerned about mold if I was doing it the popular way at room temp over several weeks.

And there's just no point in stretching something out for weeks that can be done in 5 days. If there was some advantage then it might be worth the time and mold risk, but there's not. What's the advantage, green buds? I don't actually see that as a selling point. I might as well just freeze dry and have the same green buds in less time with no chance of mold. I suspect that they would be incredibly bulky though, being pretty much identical to when they were growing except for no water.

 

[Dan Drews]

Bob - I've read you're entire thread, but I have one question I hope you won't mind - How old are you?

 

[BobCajun]

http://www.chromatographyonline.com/investigating-solvent-purity-using-comprehensive-gas-chromatography-study-acetones

"Acetone is produced directly or indirectly from propylene. Approximately 83% of acetone is produced via the cumene process, as a result, acetone production is tied to phenol production. In the cumene process, benzene is alkylated with propylene to produce cumene, which is oxidized by air to produce phenol and acetone:"
http://www.chromatographyonline.com/lcgc/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=666757&sk=&date=& &pageID=2
List of 99% or better acetone analysis 21 brands

"All 21 acetone sources were found to contain four of the common acetone impurities expected; diacetone alcohol (2-pentanone,4-hydroxy-4-methyl-), mesityl oxide (3-penten-2-one,4-methyl-), phorone (2,5-heptadien-4-one,2,6-dimethyl-) and phenol"

"A large number and broad range ofdifferent chemical impurities were found, dependent upon the acetone source. These chemical impurities ranged in complexity from simple organic acids, alkanes and olefins, to a variety of substituted benzylcompounds (to highlight just a few)."

Yeah there's stuff in all solvents but what can you do? The way I look at it is that there's a lot more crud in the bud itself, and in tap water, and in Everclear, and in plant nutrients. I myself might be in some danger when making the extracts but people using them wouldn't be any worse off than if they drank some water right out of a tap. That stuff'll kill ya.

 

[BobCajun]

Bob - I've read you're entire thread, but I have one question I hope you won't mind - How old are you?

12, why do you ask?

 

[Dan Drews]

12, why do you ask?

It's a serious question, your age lends insight into how much time you've been exposed to life experiences. I've absorbed all your input on this subject which you'd have to agree has been met with a fair amount of skepticism from other growers. Is there a reason you don't want to share your age, assuming of course that 12 wasn't an honest answer?

 

[Lucky Luke]

Yeah there's stuff in all solvents but what can you do? The way I look at it is that there's a lot more crud in the bud itself, and in tap water, and in Everclear, and in plant nutrients. I myself might be in some danger when making the extracts but people using them wouldn't be any worse off than if they drank some water right out of a tap. That stuff'll kill ya.

Really..water out of my tap will kill me?

Lets see..it rains, water droplets (one of the cleanest rains on earth (yes, it is)) fall through one of the cleanest air on earth (yes..it is). Falls onto my roof and down a pipe or two into a concrete water tank. From there via a pump it travels thru a filter and out into my glass.
Kill me eh? I dont think so..

 

[BobCajun]

Really..water out of my tap will kill me?

Lets see..it rains, water droplets (one of the cleanest rains on earth (yes, it is)) fall through one of the cleanest air on earth (yes..it is). Falls onto my roof and down a pipe or two into a concrete water tank. From there via a pump it travels thru a filter and out into my glass.
Kill me eh? I dont think so..

How about in Detroit? Let's see you go to Detroit and drink tap water and stay alive.

 

[BobCajun]

It's a serious question, your age lends insight into how much time you've been exposed to life experiences. I've absorbed all your input on this subject which you'd have to agree has been met with a fair amount of skepticism from other growers. Is there a reason you don't want to share your age, assuming of course that 12 wasn't an honest answer?

Because why should I? It's irrelevant. I showed people how to cure weed. A simple thanks would suffice.

 

[Lucky Luke]

How about in Detroit? Let's see you go to Detroit and drink tap water and stay alive.

is it brown?

 

[BobCajun]

is it brown?

Oh yeah, brown as fuck. Drink up. Full of minerals.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Oh yeah, brown as fuck. Drink up. Full of minerals.

should go well with your decarbed buds then.

 

[a senile fungus]

How about in Detroit? Let's see you go to Detroit and drink tap water and stay alive.

Detroit has amazing water, actually. I drank it and grew with it for many years.

I think you're thinking about Flint, MI. Flint's situation is the result of people trying to save time and money by circumventing the norm and reinventing the wheel, and they ended up with brown stuff in their bowls and toxic stuff in their bodies.

Theirs is remarkably similar to your situation.

 

[BobCajun]

Detroit has amazing water, actually. I drank it and grew with it for many years.

I think you're thinking about Flint, MI. Flint's situation is the result of people trying to save time and money by circumventing the norm and reinventing the wheel, and they ended up with brown stuff in their bowls and toxic stuff in their bodies.

Theirs is remarkably similar to your situation.

Acetone is working for me so I use it. Less crud than 99% of the stuff in a liquor store. If you want to convert trim to soft black hash you need acetone. Alcohol will work but it's not as good a final product.

 

[waterproof808]

If you want to convert trim to soft black hash you need acetone.

Why is your goal black hash though? You can make high grade nearly white or light yellow ice wax with just water and bubble bags...next to zero plant matter contaminants so your whole brown buds = better stance becomes a moot point. Acetone strips alot of extra crap from your flowers that isnt necessary which is why it turns black on you.

 

[CannaBruh]

Why is your goal black hash though? You can make high grade nearly white or light yellow ice wax with just water and bubble bags...next to zero plant matter contaminants so your whole brown buds = better stance becomes a moot point. Acetone strips alot of extra crap from your flowers that isnt necessary which is why it turns black on you.

and why is it soft and not rock candy

 

[BobCajun]

Why is your goal black hash though? You can make high grade nearly white or light yellow ice wax with just water and bubble bags...next to zero plant matter contaminants so your whole brown buds = better stance becomes a moot point. Acetone strips alot of extra crap from your flowers that isnt necessary which is why it turns black on you.

You can't get much bubble or dry sift from trim. It's not worth the trouble. I like hash that has the characteristics of Afghan or Indian hash. Seems less like "homemade".

 

[MisterBouncyBounce]

how have you come to learn all this Bob? is it your own original method?