Young black males and public education.

[MrRoboto]

Why don't you post a link to where you got your so called information? If you really want a conversation, some of us would like to understand the background behind your assertions.

Basically, your opening post contained two pretty much unrelated sentences.




Or maybe they are related. There was a lot of other shit in your post. But I can't get past these two statements. You don't write very well so I'm hesitant to ask you what you mean by all this. And so, I'd like to go back to your source documents to get an idea of what you are so ham-handedly trying to say.

I don't write very well because you want to hear me say "we need to fix brown people". When in fact I'm trying to say "we need to fix the institution that is failing them".

How?

Individual results vary (yes there are black men at the head of their class) but as a group black males are at the bottom of graduation rates and test scores. This is not debatable.

 

[UncleBuck]

what a shitty attempt at a white supremacy thread.

OP himself is the slack-jawed disproof of white supremacy.

 

[Rob Roy]

Public schools are one of the primary tools used to indoctrinate the masses.

They hypocritically profess to teach children that
"bullying" is wrong, yet they are funded via threats to steal houses if the bitches don't give them "their" money.

You cannot "fix" an institution which arises from coercion, the proper thing to do is to abolish it and replace it with free market solutions.

 

[Justin-case]

Public schools are one of the primary tools used to indoctrinate the masses.

They hypocritically profess to teach children that
"bullying" is wrong, yet they are funded via threats to steal houses if the bitches don't give them "their" money.

You cannot "fix" an institution which arises from coercion, the proper thing to do is to abolish it and replace it with free market solutions.

Just because you're not allowed on campus, doesn't make public schools bad,
Rub Boy

 

[Rob Roy]

Just because you're not allowed on campus, doesn't make public schools bad,
Rub Boy

I see that your self imposed moratorium on communicating with me has been lifted.

What makes public schools bad is the way they are funded.

 

[londonfog]

I see that your self imposed moratorium on communicating with me has been lifted.

What makes public schools bad is the way they are funded.

Did you say these things when you attended. What about when you sent your 3 sons to learn. Were you complaining about property tax then ?

 

[Fogdog]

I don't write very well because you want to hear me say "we need to fix brown people". When in fact I'm trying to say "we need to fix the institution that is failing them".

How?

Individual results vary (yes there are black men at the head of their class) but as a group black males are at the bottom of graduation rates and test scores. This is not debatable.

I didn't ask for your mindless commentary. I asked for a link that would provide background information to help explain what you cannot.

 

[NLXSK1]

I don't write very well because you want to hear me say "we need to fix brown people". When in fact I'm trying to say "we need to fix the institution that is failing them".

How?

Individual results vary (yes there are black men at the head of their class) but as a group black males are at the bottom of graduation rates and test scores. This is not debatable.

The institutions are causing their failure or success. The government does not want independent people, it wants dependent citizens with a trustworthy vote.

You cannot fix a person from the outside if they do not choose to fix themselves from within. Our government constantly tells minorities that they cant do it on their own, they need government to succeed. Only those people that reject that message actually do get out of the poverty/welfare cycle.

 

[UncleBuck]

Our government constantly tells minorities that they cant do it on their own, they need government to succeed. Only those people that reject that message actually do get out of the poverty/welfare cycle.

bern cerson is in perverty.

 

[Rob Roy]

Did you say these things when you attended. What about when you sent your 3 sons to learn. Were you complaining about property tax then ?

I often skipped school to attend to my robust social schedule. It was a long time ago and car backseats were spacious.

I sent my 3 sons because it was "what everybody did", which has never been a good reason by itself for something to exist.

I did recognize that "property tax" was involuntary, even way back then, but I wasn't quite where I am now philosophically back then.

 

[londonfog]

I often skipped school to attend to my robust social schedule. It was a long time ago and car backseats were spacious.

I sent my 3 sons because it was "what everybody did", which has never been a good reason by itself for something to exist.

I did recognize that "property tax" was involuntary, even way back then, but I wasn't quite where I am now philosophically back then.

I'm sure you were not ditching school from K- 6 when you learned the basics to help you learn further.
So you admit that everyone in your family has benefited from public schooling. Only fair that others do the same. Thanks for paying your property tax. You are helping a child with education

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm sure you were not ditching school from K- 6 when you learned the basics to help you learn further.
So you admit that everyone in your family has benefited from public schooling. Only fair that others do the same. Thanks for paying your property tax. You are helping a child with education

A muggers children benefit if he buys them food from money he stole from grandma....should he have taken her money without her consent ?

It is fair to let people have economic freedom of choice, otherwise you're teaching kids in school that bullying is an acceptable method of getting things done.

Your argument rests on a hypocrisy. Therefore....you lose.

 

[londonfog]

A muggers children benefit if he buys them food from money he stole from grandma....should he have taken her money without her consent ?

It is fair to let people have economic freedom of choice, otherwise you're teaching kids in school that bullying is an acceptable method of getting things done.

Your argument rests on a hypocrisy. Therefore....you lose.

Your failing hypothetical bullshit deems you the loser.
you used the system when you went and sent your boys, now it is time to return the teachings to others.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Your failing hypothetical bullshit deems you the loser.
you used the system when you went and sent your boys, now it is time to return the teachings to others.

It's weird, when I was in Europe people's thoughts of education was "what do I want to be more than anything?"

Here it's "what can I afford to do?"

 

[Rob Roy]

Your failing hypothetical bullshit deems you the loser.
you used the system when you went and sent your boys, now it is time to return the teachings to others.

You stole oranges as a young man, after you realized it was wrong...did you stop stealing oranges or did you continue ?

 

[Rob Roy]

It's weird, when I was in Europe people's thoughts of education was "what do I want to be more than anything?"

Here it's "what can I afford to do?"

Price of "education" will remain high while under the iron grip of the state. "Public education" is flawed thinking on steroids.

It is competition which drives prices lower, not monopolistic protected markets like state education models where the "customer" is a captive and has no real choices.

Public schools are a failure, because they subvert the things which drive excellence. But go ahead and polish that turd if you want to.

 

[Rob Roy]

what a shitty attempt at a white supremacy thread.

OP himself is the slack-jawed disproof of white supremacy.

What a shitty attempt at trying to tell the op what he was trying to say. You're losing it, you used to be better at dangling bait and hiding the hook. Here this is for you...

 

[londonfog]

You stole oranges as a young man, after you realized it was wrong...did you stop stealing oranges or did you continue ?

In order for a theft to occur you have to have a victim. Seeing how the owner did not mine the eating of his oranges as long as no mess was made, no theft occurred.
Please pay your property tax on time to avoid any penalties

 

[londonfog]

Price of "education" will remain high while under the iron grip of the state. "Public education" is flawed thinking on steroids.

It is competition which drives prices lower, not monopolistic protected markets like state education models where the "customer" is a captive and has no real choices.

Public schools are a failure, because they subvert the things which drive excellence. But go ahead and polish that turd if you want to.

To say all public schools are failures, is an incorrect and foolish statement. I will say that some public schools need for improvement. We need to find a way to distribute monies evenly across the state and just not county

 

[redivider]

I promised myself Id stay out of politics section bc this is where dreams come to die.

There hs been systematic oppression of black people for over 100 years in the USA. First black ppl were slaves, then they were segregated, from school, work, restaurants, etc.

Then the school to prison pipeline started. Then you have all these private deviation centers just making a killing out of classifying hugh volumes of youth as at risk for seemingly normal teenage rebeliousness.

Then you have the family situation. You hve teens havig kids- since they are kids you have kids raising babies, the results aren't going to be great. Then you have teen dads that dont take having babies seriously and you get a broken home.

There are studies that directly tie doing chores at home and stable home life as a child to happiness and success as an adult. The most impressive is the Harvard Grant which. Talks about happiness and other things. There should be a middleschool requirement to take and pass a course on this study as it is eye openingand I think kids at this age are smart enough to understand and listen.

linear algebra, or precalculus at 14-15 years old? The school system is effed up.

Figuring out the long side of a right triangle or what the inverse cosine is doesnt do anything for all these poor kids that are making poor choices. Taking them on a 'Scared Straight' prison tour - that's what we teach kids.... its sickening. RED OUT.