TodayIsAGreenday
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its called smoking lots of weed, especially seeds
and lowering your sperm count to the point where you cant impregnate
and lowering your sperm count to the point where you cant impregnate
When Does Life Begin ...
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Big P
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oh yea cuz i forgot a woman has no responibility on what she lets squirt in her kootshi?
so if you open your mouth and say hay buddy squirt in here. thats my fault for the bad taste in your mouth? or is it yours?
let me guess if a joint could get you preg is it the joints fault that you smoked it right?
HotNSexyMILF
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Why should she take any responsibility for it when she can always "fix the problem later"?
Women's rights is having the right to keep your legs closed to begin with.. not killing innocent children because "they're still in the womb"... it just really pisses off these pro choice people that we don't breed like chickens..
<tip toes back out of the thread> Fuck, it's hard to keep out of this argument..
misshestermoffitt
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I never said the male birth control pill was on the market, I said it existed. All men should have to do their part and use it,
I'm trying to point out that a woman does not get pregnant all alone and for far too long men have been able to shirk their responsibility.
How many mothers out there are working 2 jobs because when the going gets rough the men get going......right out the door? It's the men that generally end up walking away. It's the women who get paid less because their women that end up supporting kids alone.
Since it is the woman that ends up raising the kid when the dad gets bored and needs to move on with his life, then she should be the one to choose.
I'm not saying have unprotected sex and then abort, I'm saying that Even in cases of protection being used sometimes women get pregnant.
I'm married, 41 years old and my kids are adults. I practice THREE kinds of birth control at all times, but if I were to somehow to come up preganant, I'd go get an abortion. I've never had an abortion, but I would then. It is my right to be able to terminate the pregnancy.
If your daughter was pregnant and the pregnancy was going to kill her, 100% probability, would you drive her to the abortion clinic, or would you drive her to the funeral home to plan her funeral? I'm sure there are plenty of you that would just tell her to fuck off, a life not yet born is worth more than a life already here.
I'm trying to point out that a woman does not get pregnant all alone and for far too long men have been able to shirk their responsibility.
How many mothers out there are working 2 jobs because when the going gets rough the men get going......right out the door? It's the men that generally end up walking away. It's the women who get paid less because their women that end up supporting kids alone.
Since it is the woman that ends up raising the kid when the dad gets bored and needs to move on with his life, then she should be the one to choose.
I'm not saying have unprotected sex and then abort, I'm saying that Even in cases of protection being used sometimes women get pregnant.
I'm married, 41 years old and my kids are adults. I practice THREE kinds of birth control at all times, but if I were to somehow to come up preganant, I'd go get an abortion. I've never had an abortion, but I would then. It is my right to be able to terminate the pregnancy.
If your daughter was pregnant and the pregnancy was going to kill her, 100% probability, would you drive her to the abortion clinic, or would you drive her to the funeral home to plan her funeral? I'm sure there are plenty of you that would just tell her to fuck off, a life not yet born is worth more than a life already here.
Stoney McFried
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Oh bullshit.What if I gave you a tapeworm? Is it not your decision whether or not to let it live?I had my tubes tied.If I happen to get pregnant, it's abortion city.People who say women who have abortions are using it as birth control are just plain misinformed.Abortions hurt.And in most cases, they don't give you shit, or give you inadequate pain medication, usually a local.Why would any woman want to put herself through that shit when she could pop a pill?I CHOSE to have my children.Let me tell, you...my period is fucking ON TIMe.ALL the time.Except for if I'm pregnant.I'm never late, I just know when it's gonna start, and so I don't keep track on a calender.Now, there have been two occasions when I thought...hmmm...something feels different.Period wasn't late yet, but...So I went out and got some shepherd's purse, and I ate it.Period started.There were no signs of debris, but I don't know what a miscarriage looks like anyway, and I have a heavy flow to begin with.Do I regret this, if in fact, I had been pregnant?No.Because I didn't fucking want any more children.I took precautions, and was in a monogamous relationship.I'd do it again.I'm not a brood mare.Not all women want to give birth.If they would have sterilized me when I was 18, I would have had it done.I love my kids,but bringing them into a world like this is probably what will get me sent to hell, if there is one.I think you have the misconception that the majority of women who have abortions are promiscuous.You'd be wrong.If you have a dick, you don't know what it's like to be pregnant and scared.If you have a family mental disorder which doesn't technically disable you, but passes in EVERY subsequent generation to some degree without fail,you might think twice about carrying to term.Go out and help the ones who are here NOW, alive, unwanted, and in poverty.They have voices that scream for your help, but you choose to focus on the unborn,the ones that are not individuals until birth.And coitus interruptus, as you describe in your post, doesn't work.
Stoney McFried
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And as for the male birth control pill...it's ready to go, but big pharma says there is no interest in it.
rezo
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the fight between whats right and wrong ends when you infringe on someone elses rights or victimize someone . that being said a woman can choose to do what she wants to her body. if that means she wants a potential human removed from her whom she can it is her right. noone has the right to take that away from her
ViRedd
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Yes, but that's where the debate is, isn't it? Does the "potential human" have rights? Is abortion victimizing that "potential human?"
Vi
Stoney McFried
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Potential human is not the same as actual human.
shimmer
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I find it a little ironic that people who object to abortion on religious grounds are so concerned about it. Surely it's a win win situation for you bible bashers. The 'evil' mother is banished to hell for the sin, thereby sparing you any ill-feeling in paradise and allowing you to enjoy the music of the unborn on earth lute society without risk of her presence. Surely even the most wrathful version of a christian God wouldn't have a beef with a 'soul' who never went near a vagina before marriage, and in fact was incapable of committing a sin at all.
Mind you, maybe you would bump into her. Perhaps your lord would grant her a ticket into heaven for having the foresight to spare the little potential person the suffering of being brought into a cruel world; a world whose cruelty would only be exacerbated by the fact that their very own Mother felt that they would not be able to offer them a decent existence on said world, and instead bought the innocent 'soul' a one way non-stop ticket to hang eternally with the divine?
I suggest for all you christian men who want to have business in womens' bodies, that you use the real, tangible, fit for purpose tools(tongue, cock,fingers etc), God gave you, and to keep your inapropriate, meddling, inherited and unexamined ideas where they belong(church).
See you guys at the concert.
Mind you, maybe you would bump into her. Perhaps your lord would grant her a ticket into heaven for having the foresight to spare the little potential person the suffering of being brought into a cruel world; a world whose cruelty would only be exacerbated by the fact that their very own Mother felt that they would not be able to offer them a decent existence on said world, and instead bought the innocent 'soul' a one way non-stop ticket to hang eternally with the divine?
I suggest for all you christian men who want to have business in womens' bodies, that you use the real, tangible, fit for purpose tools(tongue, cock,fingers etc), God gave you, and to keep your inapropriate, meddling, inherited and unexamined ideas where they belong(church).
See you guys at the concert.
Stoney McFried
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Well said.You're getting rep.
HotNSexyMILF
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Cmon, stoney, as a mother, be real for a minute- try to tell me that when you child was tickling you from the inside, when the little one is shifting from side to side and kicking you in the ribs, when you poke them and they kick you back..- tell me that it wasn't a real human, just a 'potential one'...
shimmer
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Blastocysts don't kick.Cmon, stoney, as a mother, be real for a minute- try to tell me that when you child was tickling you from the inside, when the little one is shifting from side to side and kicking you in the ribs, when you poke them and they kick you back..- tell me that it wasn't a real human, just a 'potential one'...
HotNSexyMILF
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Um.. the blastocyst is before implantation..
Stoney McFried
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Kicking occurs later on, milf.While I don't personally believe in late term abortions(you should, in my opinion, make up your mind by then)I'm not going to tell someone else what to do with their body.My second child was an unwelcome surprise.I sobbed, snot, everything, when I found out.I had almost gotten my dream.The oldest was seven, and was at the age where they can go off and read a book, and don't need to be chased after 24/7,potty trained, etc.I'm missing a gene that makes me love domesticity.It is the death of me.I wish I loved it.But I wanted to be a singer, and I almost had that.Then, I got pregnant.Yes, I was going to have an abortion.The father, who I am still with, got on his hands and knees,weeping, and begged me to keep it.He promised me he would be a good father.I gave in.The pregnancy nearly killed me, and her.I honestly felt nothing until she was born.I threw up constantly, I was weak, I was sick...when the pregnancy was nearly done, I hoped to die in labor.I really didn't want to live with the guilt of carrying a child I didn't want.It was when i saw her that I loved her.But let me say, that love is bittersweet.I gave up the only thing I ever wanted, to do the exact thing I never wanted to do.My mom obviously didn't relish kids...her mother before her had 14 children out of wedlock, and gave away most, mom included.Maybe it's genetic.I take care of them, and feed them, and I love them, but this is not what I wanted.I did it anyway.I don't treat them badly.I just think it could have been better if this was what my heart desired most of all.
Cmon, stoney, as a mother, be real for a minute- try to tell me that when you child was tickling you from the inside, when the little one is shifting from side to side and kicking you in the ribs, when you poke them and they kick you back..- tell me that it wasn't a real human, just a 'potential one'...
shimmer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoney McFried
Potential human is not the same as actual human.
Cmon, stoney, as a mother, be real for a minute- try to tell me that when you child was tickling you from the inside, when the little one is shifting from side to side and kicking you in the ribs, when you poke them and they kick you back..- tell me that it wasn't a real human, just a 'potential one'...
"Um.. the blastocyst is before implantation.."
They are potential humans though. Becoming a father changed my personal views on abortion. I think the laws in the u.k. are sane, but i would not be part of a decision to abort a pregnancy. But that's my personal take.
Originally Posted by Stoney McFried
Potential human is not the same as actual human.
Cmon, stoney, as a mother, be real for a minute- try to tell me that when you child was tickling you from the inside, when the little one is shifting from side to side and kicking you in the ribs, when you poke them and they kick you back..- tell me that it wasn't a real human, just a 'potential one'...
"Um.. the blastocyst is before implantation.."
They are potential humans though. Becoming a father changed my personal views on abortion. I think the laws in the u.k. are sane, but i would not be part of a decision to abort a pregnancy. But that's my personal take.
HotNSexyMILF
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Kicking can be felt as early as 14-16 weeks.. which also happens to be around the time you can get the genetic tests done (16-17 weeks)- there are plenty of abortions done because of the results of these tests.. those abortions aren't considered 'late term' abortions...late term isn't until 20 weeks and beyond..
I understand what you went through, and I'm sorry that your life didn't turn out the way you wanted it.. and unfortunitly I hear and see the same thing you keep saying "I'm missing a gene that makes me love domesticity.It is the death of me.I wish I loved it." I guess if you were to go with that theory- you'd say I'm one with that gene, and it's just so uncomprehendable to me to be without it...
HotNSexyMILF
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I've stated before that I don't think abortion should be outlawed, it isn't the Federal gov. business (here in the U.S) it's a state's issue. I don't think women should be thrown in jail or killed for abortions, I don't even think they should be illegal- I just think abortion is a symptom to problems with society, I don't want to FORCE women keep their children, I want society to move back to the point where the women WANT to keep their children.
Stoney McFried
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I know.There are women out there that absolutely love it, and I wish I could be the same.I wouldn't hurt them or abandon them.I do love them, and the oldest one's father is just a piece of crap,so there's no way I would ever allow him to have her.I did have sex,and even though I used protection that I had used successfully for years, I was impregnated.Yes, it was partially my fault.I could have stayed celibate forever.But in this state, they would not tie my tubes unless I've had two children,or was 27 years of age.I couldn't afford 6000 dollars at the time anyway.I wish that this was what I wanted most of all, and that this was what gave me joy above all things.It's just another thing I have to live with.