All COB Users - Lettuce Grow Challenge!!

muleface

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so I completely gutted my aeroponics setup. It didn't go well. I changed over to dutch buckets, i filled the bottoms 2 inches with clay pebbles, and the top with coco. Not sure if it will work, but it has to do better then my last experiment. I had some left over tomato plants from the aero run, i would have trashed them, but im doing DTW, so im not worried they will contaminate my new plants. Or should i be?
 

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muleface

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anyone use masterbland 4-18-38 (plus ccal/mag) for their lettuce? I got it for tomatoes, but it seems pretty close to their lettuce formula.
 

pinner420

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Ha just getting the hang of this kratky. He makes a statement in there ever so slightly. I thought you set it and forget it but no the lesson is as the seedlings develop one has to monitor water level and transperation to root development ...
 

PicklesRus

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Ha just getting the hang of this kratky. He makes a statement in there ever so slightly. I thought you set it and forget it but no the lesson is as the seedlings develop one has to monitor water level and transperation to root development ...
Nah, don't worry you just need a seedling starter kit. Set that and forget it for a week or two, maybe just check up on seedlings once per week for water if that if you're using a good seed starter kit... then transplant when you have good roots and you're good


Or if you want get a power cloner that fits net cups with a big reservoir.

Since I have at least one level on my rack for microgreens I'm using a flood drain table for those so I'll put my seedlings in there until they are big enough for the Kratky containers
 

PicklesRus

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Ha just getting the hang of this kratky. He makes a statement in there ever so slightly. I thought you set it and forget it but no the lesson is as the seedlings develop one has to monitor water level and transperation to root development ...
I think you need a Serling terminator/grower. Something automatic where you start everything and when they get to be a good side you transplant them.

I actually own a residential cultivator so I might use that, but you could use any flood tray with a bucket and a water pump, or a seedling starter kit for cheap, or a power cloner that takes net cups.

Think of it this way you need a seedling machine of some sort no matter what you're growing so it's a good investment to build or buy one that's automatic - the seedling start kits work and they are cheap.
 

PicklesRus

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Ha just getting the hang of this kratky. He makes a statement in there ever so slightly. I thought you set it and forget it but no the lesson is as the seedlings develop one has to monitor water level and transperation to root development ...
The advantage of starting yournseeds in rockwool before transplanting into your Kratky tubs is for the first week or two of the seedlings life they will take up less room. That will let you use your Kratky for the bigger heads. Once the seedlings are big enough to move into Kratky tubs you do that and plant more seedlings. The space savings mean you can grow more.

I'm even thinking of growing my seedlings 3-4 weeks before putting them into Kratky tubs depending how fast they grow
 

pinner420

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The advantage of starting yournseeds in rockwool before transplanting into your Kratky tubs is for the first week or two of the seedlings life they will take up less room. That will let you use your Kratky for the bigger heads. Once the seedlings are big enough to move into Kratky tubs you do that and plant more seedlings. The space savings mean you can grow more.

I'm even thinking of growing my seedlings 3-4 weeks before putting them into Kratky tubs depending how fast they grow
I had a nice 2 inch tap root. I brought level of solution only to the bottom of the net cup. Upon review I believe I would have been okay if I'd brought it up an additional half inch. I let the rapid rooter dry out thinking all I've seen on the topic indicates roots will keep pace with transperation. As you indicated this is true with a 3-4 week old root ball.
 

pinner420

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It sounds all dandy but the gravitropic issue really turns me off.
If you were just eating for personal use or selling "salad mix" pre chopped that's one thing but I don't believe you can produce as nicely shaped heads of lettuce in vertical vs horizontal
Bright Agrotech has their water cooled bars out - get a second on your house and get growing! :lol:
gravitropic is the selling point of volksgardens I think. Sorry completely different styles but I'll revisit the topic. Ya those boys go straight for the wallet. I called... 20 k for the small setup when I chatted 6 months ago.
 

OneHitDone

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I would love to see lab nutrition analysis on greens grown in Katky vs a system that has the nutrient solution changed regularly.
One would just have to think some minerals would become depleted while excessive levels of others accumulate would they not?
 

pinner420

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I would love to see lab nutrition analysis on greens grown in Katky vs a system that has the nutrient solution changed regularly.
One would just have to think some minerals would become depleted while excessive levels of others accumulate would they not?
indeed. Is there a lab at top of mind that does it?
 

pinner420

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so I completely gutted my aeroponics setup. It didn't go well. I changed over to dutch buckets, i filled the bottoms 2 inches with clay pebbles, and the top with coco. Not sure if it will work, but it has to do better then my last experiment. I had some left over tomato plants from the aero run, i would have trashed them, but im doing DTW, so im not worried they will contaminate my new plants. Or should i be?
As I look at your set-up I love it. I never had luck without cutting my coir with 50 % perilite. With that said I saw a guy in Australia pull some monsters with straight coir. I'd like more info on why you abandoned hpa. I've read many dead end hpa and aa threads. It seems you either rock it or fail no in between.
 

PicklesRus

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I would love to see lab nutrition analysis on greens grown in Katky vs a system that has the nutrient solution changed regularly.
One would just have to think some minerals would become depleted while excessive levels of others accumulate would they not?
I would like o know if we can get labwork done cheaply so we can test our own crops
 

muleface

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As I look at your set-up I love it. I never had luck without cutting my coir with 50 % perilite. With that said I saw a guy in Australia pull some monsters with straight coir. I'd like more info on why you abandoned hpa. I've read many dead end hpa and aa threads. It seems you either rock it or fail no in between.
As far as my aeroponics setup went, here is the problem. Think of aeroponics like driving down a mountain on a long and winding road in an 18 wheeler, as long as everything is going right, things are just fine. But at some point you feel your brakes go out, there is nothing you can do about this. You start to speed up, all the time thinking, maybe this will work out. However things get worse and worse at an exponential rate. But you are so invested in this ($1500+) you try an ride it out. But your fate was sealed long ago.

So my plants were getting bigger and bigger, things looked good. Then one of them got sick, and like a cold at a day care center, it spread like wildfire. My system sucked up the infected water and sprayed it in a fine mist over everything. It happened very quickly.

other issue were my root chambers were not tall enough. Mine were 18 inches, they should have been 4 feet. the roots need a lot or room to hang, there needs to be misters spread around based on where the roots will be, so the roots don't cause dead spots in the chamber. This was a reoccurring problem for me.

I could never really tackle the drainage situation. There just wasn't a good way to do it without buying a tub with a built in drain. I cut the bottom of a tub and let it drain into a rain gutter, then it went back to tank. This caused algae problems.

My 100 psi pump was undersized for the 48 misters.

My tubs let i too much light

If i could do it all over again, i would not have done areoponics, at least not now.

My coco/clay pebble dutch bucket system is a total crap shoot too, i have no idea what i am doing. I can read 100 posts on dutch buckets and getting 100 different answers to the same question. so back to the trial and error method for me.

if you consider doing the dutch/bato bucket system, i would say, just buy them from farmtek, for the 2 bucks i would save per bucket making them myself, its not worth the hassle.
 

pinner420

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I was considering A hybrid rdwc hpa. Run fresh through the misters and running half the volume I normally do. Solution is chilled. Thought was to develop the roots between net cup and lid. Sounds like a singular plant test.
 

OneHitDone

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if you want some high end misters i got them. I'm sitting on 100 of them. :)
What type misters are they?

I was considering A hybrid rdwc hpa. Run fresh through the misters and running half the volume I normally do. Solution is chilled. Thought was to develop the roots between net cup and lid. Sounds like a singular plant test.
I have recently incorporated a lower water level in my big boy dwc and it seems to be producing some nice "aeroponic" like root development.
Lot's of small feeder roots developing in the air space above the water :hump:
 

muleface

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What type misters are they?


I have recently incorporated a lower water level in my big boy dwc and it seems to be producing some nice "aeroponic" like root development.
Lot's of small feeder roots developing in the air space above the water :hump:
The are all 303 stainless (the entire mister) .4 and .3 - 2 stage misters. Well half are 1 stage now, I removed the antidrip Springs. I bought a case of them. With the springs you need to be pushing 50 psi to open them. They sort of act like a mechanical solenoid. They are the standard threading. 10/24.

They are really nice. I have 50 of each size. The .4 were used in my setup for about a month.
 

PicklesRus

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So, it seems ridiculous to use cxb3590s for lettuce, but I'm struggling trying to figure out what LEDs I should choose for my DIY led fixture for lettuce/herbs...

I think white would be more versatile in the long run, and add some red. What LEDs should we be thinking about?

I want to build my own LEDs for my shelving system but honestly just buying some commercial strips would be costlier but zero hassle.
 
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