US abstains in UN vote to end Israeli settlements

Orlando737

Orlando737

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UncleBuck said:
the best thing one friend can do for another is to tell them to stop being a dick.

the settlements were an example of israel being a dick, rather than just defending themselves from a group of multi-generational "refugees" who elected a terrorist network to lead them with the stated goal of wiping israel off the map.

sticking up for one blindly is what folks like you do with hitler, or the new king, trump.
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They were warned by their own Attorney General in 1968 that any settlement building would contravene Article 4 of the UN Charter they ignored his advice and this is the consequence, but are blaming everyone else, except themselves. :dunce:
 
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ArcticGranite

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UncleBuck said:
the best thing one friend can do for another is to tell them to stop being a dick.

the settlements were an example of israel being a dick, rather than just defending themselves from a group of multi-generational "refugees" who elected a terrorist network to lead them with the stated goal of wiping israel off the map.

sticking up for one blindly is what folks like you do with hitler, or the new king, trump.
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If the resolution was structured to prevent new settlements I could see the US voting to pass it. That indication to BiBi may have been able to force his hand some by limiting support and possibly furthering 2State negotiations ie global support waning and limiting boundaries.

But- that resolution contains much more than limiting new developments and effectively "takes".

Our administration helped broker the dirty deal and helped pass it and pretends to have clean hands. Obama, not very "ally" like with Israel throughout his tenure basically gave them a fuck you on his way out.

In my book if their a friend, then ya, tell em to stop being a dick.

We were "dicks" in the way we told our ally Israel-don't be a dick.
 
Orlando737

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ArcticGranite said:
If the resolution was structured to prevent new settlements I could see the US voting to pass it. That indication to BiBi may have been able to force his hand some by limiting support and possibly furthering 2State negotiations ie global support waning and limiting boundaries.

But- that resolution contains much more than limiting new developments and effectively "takes".

Our administration helped broker the dirty deal and helped pass it and pretends to have clean hands. Obama, not very "ally" like with Israel throughout his tenure basically gave them a fuck you on his way out.

In my book if their a friend, then ya, tell em to stop being a dick.

We were "dicks" in the way we told our ally Israel-don't be a dick.
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I'd rather you answered the questions I politely put to you earlier, rather than launch another of your attacks on Obama..?
Cheer, mate..
 
ArcticGranite

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Orlando737 said:
I'd rather you answered the questions I politely put to you earlier, rather than launch another of your attacks on Obama..?
Cheer, mate..
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I'm trying to make my point real clear. The US should support Israel as an ally until it's not.
You have politely put a lot of questions to me.
Espionage/intelligence gathering is rampant.
Dermers activity is par for the course of politics.
The senior partner in the US/Israeli alliance would be the US.
 
Orlando737

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ArcticGranite said:
I'm trying to make my point real clear. The US should support Israel as an ally until it's not.
You have politely put a lot of questions to me.
Espionage/intelligence gathering is rampant.
Dermers activity is par for the course of politics.
The senior partner in the US/Israeli alliance would be the US.
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OK, I'll try another approach. You have another 'ally' in that region, Saudi Arabia.
If King Abdullah started freaking out over a decision that went contrary to his Kingdom that the US or Obama 'orchestrated'. Would your response be similar to the line you have taken, re Israel?
btw Dermer is their to be a diplomat, NOT a politician. The days when this Florida born Republican are supposed to be a thing of the past..
 
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Orlando737

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UncleBuck said:
good luck with that.

that bag of shit and limp spaghetti noodles loves conspiracy theories and hates black people.
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Doesn't sound very 'patriotic' to me. More of of a loyal citizen of Israel than an American, despite that 'Make America great again' logo on his profile.I've actually asked him who rules America, because the conspiracy nuts should go crazy with this, not surprised by their silence though...
*sighs*
 
ArcticGranite

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Orlando737 said:
OK, I'll try another approach. You have another 'ally' in that region, Saudi Arabia.
If King Abdullah started freaking out over a decision that went contrary to his Kingdom that the US or Obama 'orchestrated'. Would your response be similar to the line you have taken, re Israel?
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Insofar as allies go, yes, absolutely. Treat allies as allies. My issue in this situation is the "politics" of how this was accomplished and more so that the resolution goes far beyond just condemning new settlements and that's not in the mainstream.Trust has been compromised and it's coming to light.
I don't support Israel building new settlements and much of what has been done by them I also find wrong. You've posted about it. I'm not a blind "friend" of them.
Isreal as a nation seems to have no problem saying to the world, fuck off blokes. They're gonna do it their way, damn the consequences.
But I do think the best current possible solution to peace there is 2 states. The US, as a "trusted" ally may have quite a part in having Israels ear, reasoning with them. Also with the Palestines, reassuring them that Israel is sincere.
I see that possible process now as damaged. All the more so now with Trump as I don't see him lending any reasonableness to a possible peace there.
 
ArcticGranite

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Orlando737 said:
Doesn't sound very 'patriotic' to me. More of of a loyal citizen of Israel than an American, despite that 'Make America great again' logo on his profile.I've actually asked him who rules America, because the conspiracy nuts should go crazy with this, not surprised by their silence though...
*sighs*
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Patience please, thank you
 
Orlando737

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ArcticGranite said:
Insofar as allies go, yes, absolutely. Treat allies as allies. My issue in this situation is the "politics" of how this was accomplished and more so that the resolution goes far beyond just condemning new settlements and that's not in the mainstream.Trust has been compromised and it's coming to light.
I don't support Israel building new settlements and much of what has been done by them I also find wrong. You've posted about it. I'm not a blind "friend" of them.
Isreal as a nation seems to have no problem saying to the world, fuck off blokes. They're gonna do it their way, damn the consequences.
But I do think the best current possible solution to peace there is 2 states. The US, as a "trusted" ally may have quite a part in having Israels ear, reasoning with them. Also with the Palestines, reassuring them that Israel is sincere.
I see that possible process now as damaged. All the more so now with Trump as I don't see him lending any reasonableness to a possible peace there.
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If they are a country that likes to say 'Fuck off, blokes', then perhaps the UN is the wrong organisation for them to remain in, after all those resolutions they have blithely ignored in the past seem to have caught up with them at last. They aren't taking the experience kindly.
If they cant obey international law, its no surprise that others taken to task for smaller infringements say, WTF..!!! & get the shit bombed out of them, mainly by the US and its NATO allies.
Do you think that they think the world 'owes' them or something?
 
ArcticGranite

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Orlando737 said:
If they are a country that likes to say 'Fuck off, blokes', then perhaps the UN is the wrong organisation for them to remain in, after all those resolutions they have blithely ignored in the past seem to have caught up with them at last. They aren't taking the experience kindly.
If they cant obey international law, its no surprise that others taken to task for smaller infringements say, WTF..!!! & get the shit bombed out of them, mainly by the US and its NATO allies.
Do you think that they think the world 'owes' them or something?
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I couldn't hazard a guess about them thinking the world owes them something. There's been the Partition Plan, the 1948 war, the June war. They want their cake and eat it too, that's been mentioned.
 
Orlando737

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ArcticGranite said:
I couldn't hazard a guess about them thinking the world owes them something. There's been the Partition Plan, the 1948 war, the June war. They want their cake and eat it too, that's been mentioned.
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OK, I suppose YOU believe in International Law, after all the UN was the brainchild of the Truman administration.
What is the point of a country joining an international body, has no intention of complying with the laws or regulations that they dont like. Its hardly an attitude that other countries that have to obey and get their arses roundly kicked, is it?
Japan & Fascist Italy did that in the '30s with the League of Nations and when the UN was set up, steps were put in place for non-compliance. It should be noted, despite the vote not going Israels way, the UN still didn't specify ANY actions to be taken against Israel, however they are still acting like a spoilt kid...
 
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