Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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Aruanda
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Interesting this suphur burner you speak of @ShLUbY I'll have to check it out.
Your post reminded me of essential oil diffusers/atomizers. My friend has one from dōterra: https://doterra.com/US/en/p/usage-aroma-ace-diffuser
It diffuses/atomizes the oil into fine vapor that saturates the air in a space. Wondering now if something like this would be effective for essential oil IPM application as it would perhaps theoretically not just saturate the air but adhere to the surfaces of plants, etc.
Your post reminded me of essential oil diffusers/atomizers. My friend has one from dōterra: https://doterra.com/US/en/p/usage-aroma-ace-diffuser
It diffuses/atomizes the oil into fine vapor that saturates the air in a space. Wondering now if something like this would be effective for essential oil IPM application as it would perhaps theoretically not just saturate the air but adhere to the surfaces of plants, etc.
Chunky Stool
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Thanks for the sulfur tip! Potassium bicarb took care of the PM for now, but it's a band-aid. I also grow outdoors, so mold & mildew don't really freak me out -- unless they're taking over. (I lost at least 4 zips to brown mold last fall & had to chop early.)
Regarding the biochar, I just mixed it straight from the bag @ 5%.
DonBrennon
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Does it say if it's been charged or not anywhere on the bag? I can't believe a company manufacturing biochar for gardening purposes would sell you un-charged biochar without telling you to charge it before use.........very irrisponsible and I'd imagine would lose them a lot of custom. Lack of information on soil amendments really pisses me off and I believe it's worse here than in the States'.
Chunky Stool
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That probably explains the problems I had after repotting. The plants were root bound in half gallon pots, so the soil was spent (FFOF). I had been giving them tea when they started looking pale, and it worked great. After repotting into the custom soil with biochar, it took about a week for all of them to fade, then the PM hit. Then the bugs showed up. It was a nasty fight but they look MUCH better now. These plants have been baptized by fire! Gonna do a final trim & flip em in a few days.
WeedWitchOR
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Formerly certified master gardener, all organic etcas long as you understand what's going on with the biology you'll be fine. careful with the rotting wood, you should soak it in a pre charge like you would biochar, i know someone else who uses it and he said it can rob your soil of nutrients the same way the char does.
no tills are where i'm headed next. it just makes sense. think of a real pedon of soil and the horizons within it. top layer is the organic matter, next sublayer is slightly organic from having materials leaching into the soil. over the time lowest horizons will become depleted of organics from the original mix, and leave behind the rock dusts and other minerals as well as the peat and drainage. so this would be your parent material horizon. over the course of the grow you add more organic material to the top layer of soil (as would naturally happen in nature when things die and foliage is shed). water is taken up from parent material layers for most of the transpiration that the plant does. the plant feeds from the upper horizons where the organic materials are and microbes are breaking stuff down. replica of nature
MAKE SURE you have something for mulch (rice hulls, sticks and stems from cannabis, thick layer of canna leaves, ect ect). I have found that to be one of the most crucial parts of organics. mulch not only slows evaporation from the soil, but it makes the soil wick its moisture throughout the pot. Also, things that don't appreciate light (roots, worms, mycelia) can now grow and roam to the very edge of the upper horizon of organic material and consume EVERYTHING. Have fun and share your results
Same tricks, new plant.
ShLUbY
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looks like maybe it needs a charge. doesn't really say anything about it on the bag....
ShLUbY
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yeah i already been down the potassium bicarb route. like you said.... band-aid. it will come back about 5 - 6 weeks into flower because the plant is systemically infected.
I hear silica is good for isolating infections by means of the plants immune system mobilizing silica to the infection area and crystallizing the cells around the area to prevent spread.
problem is that PM is spore borne and those freaking spores are everywhere when your room has had it. if you see it show up again, get the burner
Chunky Stool
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Agreed.
This was a learning experience. They guys at the hydro store didn't say anything about charging it either. Hmm...
Maybe they knew it would cause problems & hoped I would spend more money on remedies???
Nope. This ain't my first rodeo.
It wasn't pretty, but I got through it just fine.
ShLUbY
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psh. hard to tell with them. the guys at my hydro stores KNOW ZERO SHIT about real organics. Hell, they dont even know shit about chemistry, or botany and actual plant processes at all. Say "Kreb cycle" to them and they'd be like "what???". they just sell what they can sell and make money. which is fine, it's a business and that's what they should do.
i'm not saying that all grow store guys are like this... but the ones i deal with.... yeah, it's a little rough. I hear bad advice from people getting advice from the grow stores all the time. hydroponics, they can do. i'll give them that
Chronikool
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Whatz a 'grow store'...??!!!psh. hard to tell with them. the guys at my hydro stores KNOW ZERO SHIT about real organics. Hell, they dont even know shit about chemistry, or botany and actual plant processes at all. Say "Kreb cycle" to them and they'd be like "what???". they just sell what they can sell and make money. which is fine, it's a business and that's what they should do.
i'm not saying that all grow store guys are like this... but the ones i deal with.... yeah, it's a little rough. I hear bad advice from people getting advice from the grow stores all the time. hydroponics, they can do. i'll give them that
Kind Sir
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I'm about to mix my soil up in a few days, what do you think?
30% Sphagnum peat moss
30% Malibu compost
40% Aeration
Neem cake (NeemResource)
Kelp meal
Fish bone meal
Crab shell meal
Oyster shell flour
Glacial Rock dust
I have time to order a few things.
Besides foliage, told dressings.. I was looking @
Basalt
Red Wigglers
Companion Plant
30% Sphagnum peat moss
30% Malibu compost
40% Aeration
Neem cake (NeemResource)
Kelp meal
Fish bone meal
Crab shell meal
Oyster shell flour
Glacial Rock dust
I have time to order a few things.
Besides foliage, told dressings.. I was looking @
Basalt
Red Wigglers
Companion Plant
Chunky Stool
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Hydro is where they make big money. Hell I was surprised they even had biochar. I even bought a box of langbeinite there last year! (Never saw it on the shelves again.)psh. hard to tell with them. the guys at my hydro stores KNOW ZERO SHIT about real organics. Hell, they dont even know shit about chemistry, or botany and actual plant processes at all. Say "Kreb cycle" to them and they'd be like "what???". they just sell what they can sell and make money. which is fine, it's a business and that's what they should do.
i'm not saying that all grow store guys are like this... but the ones i deal with.... yeah, it's a little rough. I hear bad advice from people getting advice from the grow stores all the time. hydroponics, they can do. i'll give them that
Fastslappy
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http://rockdustlocal.com/index.html
for All of your basalt,rock flours, char needs
I quit using azomite due to the high AL levels in it & use 3 of these flours + the basalt as a mix for my mineral needs
any of these bio-chars that are being sold as of late in the US is reclaimed beetles killed western fir & cedar
both are really Soft & i've not had good luck with it both in the garden & in my grows & have gone back to Whole Foods Cowboy chunk charcoal (100% hardwood ) & it's actually cheaper too
for All of your basalt,rock flours, char needs
I quit using azomite due to the high AL levels in it & use 3 of these flours + the basalt as a mix for my mineral needs
any of these bio-chars that are being sold as of late in the US is reclaimed beetles killed western fir & cedar
both are really Soft & i've not had good luck with it both in the garden & in my grows & have gone back to Whole Foods Cowboy chunk charcoal (100% hardwood ) & it's actually cheaper too
ShLUbY
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My store has a bunch of organic DTE amendments and another MI based company called Organically Done. I can get most things i need there, but
I have to order in once in a while. Probably been to the grow store 4 times in the last year though,the guy is always like "man havent seen you in a while!". Im thinking... yup sure is nice
Fastslappy
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Anyone using SST or malted grains ?
I've tried both & like them
I've tried both & like them
Chronikool
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Both....part of my bi- weekly
DesertGrow89
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@Chunky Stool What percentage of calcined clay is in your mix? I've found it can hold too much water depending on the percentage used in the root substrate.
Chunky Stool
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25%
My favorite soilless mix (Gritty Kitty) is now a 4-part:
2 parts ProMix HP (or sunshine #4)
1 part rinsed Special Kitty
1 part rinsed coco coir
Try it, you'll like it!
I should also mention that @RM3 also uses special kitty (he gave me the tip). His mix is half clay, half sunshine #4.
Kind Sir
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I'm sorry to
I'm sorry to bug you, what do you think about my mix? Should I add anything else? And what size pots do to use indoors?
My store has a bunch of organic DTE amendments and another MI based company called Organically Done. I can get most things i need there, but
I have to order in once in a while. Probably been to the grow store 4 times in the last year though,the guy is always like "man havent seen you in a while!". Im thinking... yup sure is nice
I'm sorry to bug you, what do you think about my mix? Should I add anything else? And what size pots do to use indoors?