My first grow Advance Nutrients

OldMedUser

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How do I start a grow journal in the right place, I believe I posted this in wrong place.
Seems like the right place for now. Indoor growing forum and you're growing indoors.

Once you get your hydro going then you can start a journal in the Hydro Forum and make a link in your signature here like I have in my sig so people can find the new journal.

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OldMedUser

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Just curious... youre using AN Sensi grow/bloom pH Perfect in Promix? Have you had any issues at all? Or all is good with that combo?

Are you using tap water or RO water...or ???

Stable ph???
Sensi Grow for veg and Connoisseur Bloom for flowering. RO water only for my darlings. Never check the pH so have no idea what it is. pH Perfect means just that and has worked fine in the ProMix and DWC for the couple years I've been using it after 14 years of using the older AN nutes.

The only issue I've had is getting crispy leaves late in flowering from too much N in the Connie I think. I bought gallon jugs of the 3 - part so I can cut down on the N and use a Lucas formula kind of approach for flowering after the stretch. So I'm using up the last of the Sensi for veg and the Connie for the stretch then the 3 - part the rest of the way.

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Sensi Grow for veg and Connoisseur Bloom for flowering. RO water only for my darlings. Never check the pH so have no idea what it is. pH Perfect means just that and has worked fine in the ProMix and DWC for the couple years I've been using it after 14 years of using the older AN nutes.

The only issue I've had is getting crispy leaves late in flowering from too much N in the Connie I think. I bought gallon jugs of the 3 - part so I can cut down on the N and use a Lucas formula kind of approach for flowering after the stretch. So I'm using up the last of the Sensi for veg and the Connie for the stretch then the 3 - part the rest of the way.

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3 part, do you mean Micro Grow Bloom? What is Connie? Sorry for the rookie questions. lol
 
3 part, do you mean Micro Grow Bloom? What is Connie? Sorry for the rookie questions. lol
I'm one day away from start of week 4, the stretch has stopped I believe, I notice leave getting a bit crisp so last watering I gave them straight ph water, I water every second day, smart pots dry fast, I'm about to water now 1ml per L of Micro Grow Bloom and the same dose for the rest expect for Big Bud, Nirvana, rhino I use 2ML per L,
 

OldMedUser

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3 part, do you mean Micro Grow Bloom? What is Connie? Sorry for the rookie questions. lol
Yeah the 3 - part GMB. Connie is the 2 - part Connoisseur nutes and like Sensi comes in Grow and Bloom formulas. I thought the Grandmaster kit would come with the Connie as it's the top of the line and for what you paid for it it should be top of the line all the way.

I'm one day away from start of week 4, the stretch has stopped I believe, I notice leave getting a bit crisp so last watering I gave them straight ph water, I water every second day, smart pots dry fast, I'm about to water now 1ml per L of Micro Grow Bloom and the same dose for the rest expect for Big Bud, Nirvana, rhino I use 2ML per L,
What you want to do now to help stop the leaves getting crispy is change your feeding to more like the Lucas formula. By the start of week 5, no more Grow and use half as much Micro as you do Bloom. Feeding slows a lot after the stretch and too much N inhibits flowering. All the plants are doing now is growing flowers and fattening them up so don't eat very much compared to the stretch and if they need a bit more N they will pull it from the old fan leaves near the bottom first. Those leaves starting to go yellow around week 6 or so is a good sign that the N isn't too high. If you have been feeding Rhino all along you probably don't need much more or should drop the dose to 1ml/L now. The feed recommendations on the bottle are for hydro when you are loading up a fresh batch of nutes but in pots in builds up in the soil as the plants don't use a lot of it. Very hard to overdose on it tho.

The stretch is about 40% of the total flowering time so with an 8 week strain would be 40% of 56 days which is 22 days or tomorrow for you. One strain I have takes 14 weeks so the stretch is much longer as well.

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OldMedUser

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I was just checking out the nutrient calculator at AN and set it for the grandmaster calculations. OMFG there's a lot of stuff and some of it is redundant. You do realize that the calculator is to mix up a batch of fresh nutes for a hydro setup every week and can't be used to grow in pots. Even for a hydro setup it's too much IMO.

I've bitched to them that they need a realistic calculator for growing in pots of soilless mixes but they never did anything so I've played around for years now getting it to work for me in pots and most times still get crispy leaves late in flower. Each strain works differently and it takes a couple grows to dial in the amounts to feed to get the best results.

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Gquebed

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I was just checking out the nutrient calculator at AN and set it for the grandmaster calculations. OMFG there's a lot of stuff and some of it is redundant. You do realize that the calculator is to mix up a batch of fresh nutes for a hydro setup every week and can't be used to grow in pots. Even for a hydro setup it's too much IMO.

I've bitched to them that they need a realistic calculator for growing in pots of soilless mixes but they never did anything so I've played around for years now getting it to work for me in pots and most times still get crispy leaves late in flower. Each strain works differently and it takes a couple grows to dial in the amounts to feed to get the best results.

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Ive only used the hobbyist combo
Grow or bloom A/B
B52
Voodoo (veg only)
Big Bud
Overdrive

And thats it. I saw the rest as redundant too. Excellent results.

The nute calc they have does blow, though. I think i have only done 2 strains that could handle those proportions without burning. I usually just work up to 75% of the strength.... in Promix.
 

dirtWeevil

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Nice, I have a bunch of plant yo yo's waiting. Thanks for your interest, I have no clue how to navigate this rollitup site,

Thanks for your interest, I'm still learning as I go, I think I have to drop the nute mix a bit, the ends of my fan leaves are start to show signs of burn, when I water tmr it will be straight PH water that continue with a lighter feeding.
I'm waiting to set up my RDWC 4 site with control buck from H20 to Gro, I want to try scrog with this system but changing the water once weekly with plants locked into screen, so I'm just trying to think my way around that part.
to get around this i got a length, 8 ft or so, of clear vinyl tube 1/2" outside diameter. I cut the end off at a diagonal so it came to a point. I then drilled a 3/8" hole at the very bottom of a five gallon bucket running parallel to the bottom, be careful not to drill into the bottom. Take the pointed end of the tube and use a pair of pliers to pull the tube through, make sure to pull it far enough to work out wrinkling, snip the pointed end off a half inch from the inside bucket wall. I use 5 gallon buckets for reservoirs so I just marked the fill line on the mixing bucket, then I mix the nutes in that bucket, keeping the tube above the level of the bucket. Once the nutes are mixed i raise the lid on the res just a little and run the tube in. Then I hang the bucket up about eye level and in a few mins the nutes are in the res. This has been much easier since switching to a vertical setup
 

OldMedUser

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Why not cut holes in the lids of your buckets to add water, nutes or suck out some for pH and ppm testing, Keep anything over the hole to block light when not using it. I make an extra hole in the top of my DWC lids so I don't have to lift the lid for anything. Stick the hose for the drill pump to suck the nutes out or refill. The airlines go in just under the handle so aren't in the way if the lid comes off. No holes below the water level so never a leak.

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I was just checking out the nutrient calculator at AN and set it for the grandmaster calculations. OMFG there's a lot of stuff and some of it is redundant. You do realize that the calculator is to mix up a batch of fresh nutes for a hydro setup every week and can't be used to grow in pots. Even for a hydro setup it's too much IMO.

I've bitched to them that they need a realistic calculator for growing in pots of soilless mixes but they never did anything so I've played around for years now getting it to work for me in pots and most times still get crispy leaves late in flower. Each strain works differently and it takes a couple grows to dial in the amounts to feed to get the best results.

:peace:
Thanks so much, so what nutes do you recommend for veg? What nutes for Bloom? I like your results and would like to switch to what you use. If you don't mind
 
Yeah the 3 - part GMB. Connie is the 2 - part Connoisseur nutes and like Sensi comes in Grow and Bloom formulas. I thought the Grandmaster kit would come with the Connie as it's the top of the line and for what you paid for it it should be top of the line all the way.



What you want to do now to help stop the leaves getting crispy is change your feeding to more like the Lucas formula. By the start of week 5, no more Grow and use half as much Micro as you do Bloom. Feeding slows a lot after the stretch and too much N inhibits flowering. All the plants are doing now is growing flowers and fattening them up so don't eat very much compared to the stretch and if they need a bit more N they will pull it from the old fan leaves near the bottom first. Those leaves starting to go yellow around week 6 or so is a good sign that the N isn't too high. If you have been feeding Rhino all along you probably don't need much more or should drop the dose to 1ml/L now. The feed recommendations on the bottle are for hydro when you are loading up a fresh batch of nutes but in pots in builds up in the soil as the plants don't use a lot of it. Very hard to overdose on it tho.

The stretch is about 40% of the total flowering time so with an 8 week strain would be 40% of 56 days which is 22 days or tomorrow for you. One strain I have takes 14 weeks so the stretch is much longer as well.

:peace:
I order my nutes online, I can not use run out and pick it up, what would you feed my plants with what I got?
 

OldMedUser

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I order my nutes online, I can not use run out and pick it up, what would you feed my plants with what I got?
I pretty much spelled it all out in the post I did that you replied to in your last post. You have everything already so read that again and it says how I use them.

The 3-part is for both veg and bloom but you change the ratios you use them at each stage to get the best results. The 2-part nutes come in Grow and Bloom formulas with 2 bottles for each. Part A and part B for veg and A and B for Bloom. You use your supplements the same with 3part or 2part nutes. These are known as base nutes.

Would be easier if they all came in one bottle but they can't do that. They would react in the more concentrated form and precipitate a lot of them out. That's why you add them separately into larger volumes of water. When I bump up my ppm in DWC I use a syringe to suck up one at a time and squirt it into the tub with a double rinse of water before sucking up the next one so they don't mix in the syringe.

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OldMedUser

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I forgot to give you this link to free grow books. I recommend the ones by Jorge Cervantes. There's one on the basics that would be good to start with but the others by him are very good too and cover the same subjects and more.

I found a great spot to download FREE POT BOOKS . I downloaded a grow bible first and got lots more. Books looks great and complete like the real ones I have here. No web site but just a page of links. Just right click on what you want and then "Save Link As" to download so they don't open first as many are 50+ megs. They got lots. Enjoy.

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I forgot to give you this link to free grow books. I recommend the ones by Jorge Cervantes. There's one on the basics that would be good to start with but the others by him are very good too and cover the same subjects and more.

I found a great spot to download FREE POT BOOKS . I downloaded a grow bible first and got lots more. Books looks great and complete like the real ones I have here. No web site but just a page of links. Just right click on what you want and then "Save Link As" to download so they don't open first as many are 50+ megs. They got lots. Enjoy.

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Thanks man
 
Yeah the 3 - part GMB. Connie is the 2 - part Connoisseur nutes and like Sensi comes in Grow and Bloom formulas. I thought the Grandmaster kit would come with the Connie as it's the top of the line and for what you paid for it it should be top of the line all the way.



What you want to do now to help stop the leaves getting crispy is change your feeding to more like the Lucas formula. By the start of week 5, no more Grow and use half as much Micro as you do Bloom. Feeding slows a lot after the stretch and too much N inhibits flowering. All the plants are doing now is growing flowers and fattening them up so don't eat very much compared to the stretch and if they need a bit more N they will pull it from the old fan leaves near the bottom first. Those leaves starting to go yellow around week 6 or so is a good sign that the N isn't too high. If you have been feeding Rhino all along you probably don't need much more or should drop the dose to 1ml/L now. The feed recommendations on the bottle are for hydro when you are loading up a fresh batch of nutes but in pots in builds up in the soil as the plants don't use a lot of it. Very hard to overdose on it tho.

The stretch is about 40% of the total flowering time so with an 8 week strain would be 40% of 56 days which is 22 days or tomorrow for you. One strain I have takes 14 weeks so the stretch is much longer as well.

:peace:
I only strat
Sensi Grow for veg and Connoisseur Bloom for flowering. RO water only for my darlings. Never check the pH so have no idea what it is. pH Perfect means just that and has worked fine in the ProMix and DWC for the couple years I've been using it after 14 years of using the older AN nutes.

The only issue I've had is getting crispy leaves late in flowering from too much N in the Connie I think. I bought gallon jugs of the 3 - part so I can cut down on the N and use a Lucas formula kind of approach for flowering after the stretch. So I'm using up the last of the Sensi for veg and the Connie for the stretch then the 3 - part the rest of the way.

:peace:
why do you use seni grow in stead of Connie? Is it better?
 

bigskymtnguy

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Congratulations on your success. Just my two cents, I'm an AN hater. From my perspective the brag too much in their product description, make unrealistic claims, and most of all charge too much for the diluted product they market. I agree you can have good success using AN product, but I hate wasting money when as good or better results can be had using Botanicare (used for many years) or Vegamatrix (my new favorite). To each his own.
 
Congratulations on your success. Just my two cents, I'm an AN hater. From my perspective the brag too much in their product description, make unrealistic claims, and most of all charge too much for the diluted product they market. I agree you can have good success using AN product, but I hate wasting money when as good or better results can be had using Botanicare (used for many years) or Vegamatrix (my new favorite). To each his own.[/
I like the ph perfect technology and never have to adjust. Would I be asking too much if you can explain your nute program in detail for all stages? I'm open to new ideas
 

OldMedUser

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I only strat

why do you use seni grow in stead of Connie? Is it better?
I wanted to try the next step up from the 3part and was going to get Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom but they were out of the Sensi Bloom so I got the Connie Bloom and the Sensi Grow. The Connie is supposed to be another step up from the Sensi. Now I've bought the 3part again and am just using up the others until they are gone. The 3part worked fine for 14 years and I didn't see any drastic improvements with the 2part stuff.

I saw huge improvements when I started using Big Bud so will always use that. Just tried the Bud Ignitor and the jury is still out on that. My current plants were grown from seed so not good candidates for comparing results with. Have enough left to try again on a few plants that will be clones from the same mother to get a better comparison. The guy that recommended the Ignitor also recommends the Bud Factor X for bigger buds and more resin.

I like to keep things as simple and easy as possible. Too many supplements complicates things and if all you get is another 5% then it's not enough to convince me to spend extra money or extra thought on it. I never used CalMag until a few years ago and never saw any deficiencies but use it now in small amounts just in case and it's cheap enough not to concern me. I'm not happy with the GrowTek one I have now so may buy the AN one to replace it. It has a lot of amino acids in it and the plants and I like aminos. :)

:peace:
 
I wanted to try the next step up from the 3part and was going to get Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom but they were out of the Sensi Bloom so I got the Connie Bloom and the Sensi Grow. The Connie is supposed to be another step up from the Sensi. Now I've bought the 3part again and am just using up the others until they are gone. The 3part worked fine for 14 years and I didn't see any drastic improvements with the 2part stuff.

I saw huge improvements when I started using Big Bud so will always use that. Just tried the Bud Ignitor and the jury is still out on that. My current plants were grown from seed so not good candidates for comparing results with. Have enough left to try again on a few plants that will be clones from the same mother to get a better comparison. The guy that recommended the Ignitor also recommends the Bud Factor X for bigger buds and more resin.

I like to keep things as simple and easy as possible. Too many supplements complicates things and if all you get is another 5% then it's not enough to convince me to spend extra money or extra thought on it. I never used CalMag until a few years ago and never saw any deficiencies but use it now in small amounts just in case and it's cheap enough not to concern me. I'm not happy with the GrowTek one I have now so may buy the AN one to replace it. It has a lot of amino acids in it and the plants and I like aminos. :)

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So what strength would you mix the 3 part in veg?
 
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