Chunky Stool
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Now that's funny!Interesting info....once you weed through the repetitive sling-blade comments
Now that's funny!Interesting info....once you weed through the repetitive sling-blade comments
Thank you Ruwtz, glad you liked it. I hope others will do a similar side-by-side comparison to see if this can be verified by more peeps here on RUI. If anyone does, I hope they'll post the results in this thread so that we can compare results.Good work, well done.
Been following Harley Smiths advice and suggestions for years. A tsp of Nitrozime...a tsp.of Fossil Fuel Humic acid supplement (or Bio Ag FulPower) and a few drops (about 7 to 12) of Yucca wetting agent (i like Humboldt Nutes Sticky) to a quart of tap water foliar sprayed on all vegging plants6and early flowering every 6 to 7 days like clockwork. Its by far the best most effective and noticeable concoction I have ever tried and ive tried every damn bottle on the hydroponic store shelves. It makes plants much shorter...more compact and WAY more bushy with potential flowering node sites all over the canopy. Looks lkle you topped em amd vegged them much more amd longer than you actually did. This all translates into a very noticeable higher yield later in flowering. Been yelling/telling growers about kelp/humic foliar sprays weekly for years amd the dramatic difference it makes. Mr. Smith gave me the advice about it a long time ago when he worked for HDI.Nothing, no opinions on this? I've got some kelp extract and fulvic acid in the mail, and I've got a couple of mom's I'll give this a try on in a few weeks when I'm ready for the next batch. If this does what the Dr.Smith claims I'll post back with my results.
Has anyone else watched any of Harley Smith's videos? Kinda long but at least the first couple I've watched have been informative.
Thank you for that info, you know in my searches I've turned up dozens of references to the same formula, but I'll be damned if not a single one ever mentioned what amounts they're using, just the 5:2 ratio, it was driving me crazy that none of them would think to tell you what measuring unit they used to add to how much water, lol.Been following Harley Smiths advice and suggestions for years. A tsp of Nitrozime...a tsp.of Fossil Fuel Humic acid supplement (or Bio Ag FulPower) and a few drops (about 7 to 12) of Yucca wetting agent (i like Humboldt Nutes Sticky) to a quart of tap water foliar sprayed on all vegging plants6and early flowering every 6 to 7 days like clockwork. Its by far the best most effective and noticeable concoction I have ever tried and ive tried every damn bottle on the hydroponic store shelves. It makes plants much shorter...more compact and WAY more bushy with potential flowering node sites all over the canopy. Looks lkle you topped em amd vegged them much more amd longer than you actually did. This all translates into a very noticeable higher yield later in flowering. Been yelling/telling growers about kelp/humic foliar sprays weekly for years amd the dramatic difference it makes. Mr. Smith gave me the advice about it a long time ago when he worked for HDI.
On some strains ive grown before...too much cytokinin (the hormone thats in the kelp extract and most kelps/seaweed in general) can sometimes do weird shit to young vegging plants and nice preflowering ladies. You will notice VERY deep green leaves at first. This is the plant telling you to back off the hormones (the actual kelp foliar spraying). Shes taking up nitrogen at a super and almost too efficient rate from it. Then the leaves will get all twisty and sometimes single bladed. Almost like a clone that you took from an already flowering plant( like 2 weeks in). How it grows all funky in veg after it roots. Kelp foliars too often or too high a concentration will make plants look similar. It can be overdone. Just back it off a bit or cut it out all together. Another sign your overdoing it with foliar hormone spraying is major preflower "hairs" setting off at an abnormal rate. You will know something is up because its very noticeable and you will know exactly its from too much kelp spraying. Almost like she cant wait to get put in 12 - 12. This is all VERY grower/environment and strain dependent though.Thank you for that info, you know in my searches I've turned up dozens of references to the same formula, but I'll be damned if not a single one ever mentioned what amounts they're using, just the 5:2 ratio, it was driving me crazy that none of them would think to tell you what measuring unit they used to add to how much water, lol.
And I have to agree with you, I've seen lots of claims for dozens of products, and this stuff has shown the most dramatic amount of change of any of them. I'll take some pics tonight to show what this batch of clones looks like, they are growing fast and the internodal spacing is ridiculous. In fact I may dial it back a bit cuz on many of them there doesn't look to be more than a quarter inch spacing which could be too much of a good thing, lol.
Fyi, I bought bulk powdered kelp extract for quite a bit cheaper than any brand name liquid I could find, around $25 a pound, and the same for the humic acid. So far I am tickled pink at how well it's working. I am curious to know if there's a limit to how much or often I can feed my girls, or if there's any downside or negative affects from using too much. Also can this be fed right up until flush, or should I cut back as I get close to harvest? Thanks again Since, glad to have found someone who's seeing the same amazing results as I am ;?)
This is good info.On some strains ive grown before...too much cytokinin (the hormone thats in the kelp extract and most kelps/seaweed in general) can sometimes do weird shit to young vegging plants and nice preflowering ladies. You will notice VERY deep green leaves at first. This is the plant telling you to back off the hormones (the actual kelp foliar spraying). Shes taking up nitrogen at a super and almost too efficient rate from it. Then the leaves will get all twisty and sometimes single bladed. Almost like a clone that you took from an already flowering plant( like 2 weeks in). How it grows all funky in veg after it roots. Kelp foliars too often or too high a concentration will make plants look similar. It can be overdone. Just back it off a bit or cut it out all together. Another sign your overdoing it with foliar hormone spraying is major preflower "hairs" setting off at an abnormal rate. You will know something is up because its very noticeable and you will know exactly its from too much kelp spraying. Almost like she cant wait to get put in 12 - 12. This is all VERY grower/environment and strain dependent though.
I overdid it and a few of my afgooeys are starting to look like revegged plants.On some strains ive grown before...too much cytokinin (the hormone thats in the kelp extract and most kelps/seaweed in general) can sometimes do weird shit to young vegging plants and nice preflowering ladies. You will notice VERY deep green leaves at first. This is the plant telling you to back off the hormones (the actual kelp foliar spraying). Shes taking up nitrogen at a super and almost too efficient rate from it. Then the leaves will get all twisty and sometimes single bladed. Almost like a clone that you took from an already flowering plant( like 2 weeks in). How it grows all funky in veg after it roots. Kelp foliars too often or too high a concentration will make plants look similar. It can be overdone. Just back it off a bit or cut it out all together. Another sign your overdoing it with foliar hormone spraying is major preflower "hairs" setting off at an abnormal rate. You will know something is up because its very noticeable and you will know exactly its from too much kelp spraying. Almost like she cant wait to get put in 12 - 12. This is all VERY grower/environment and strain dependent though.
Hey those look kinda familiar, lol. Yeah I think I probably overdid it a bit too, although some of the gnarly looks do come from the clones being taken from a mom already in flower. So here's the pics of my baby girls, taken a couple of days ago.I overdid it and a few of my afgooeys are starting to look like revegged plants.
I'll have to try that on this next batch. I usually shoot for cooler temps at night trying to emulate what they'd normally experience naturally, but never thought that warmer night temps would have a beneficial affect. But then it's easy to forget that while we are dealing with plants provided to us by mother nature, everything else we do is pushing the boundries to their absolute limits in an effort to turn them into freakishly potent mutants, lol.Play with the temperature differential (the same or slightly warmer night temps than the peak day temps the first 3 weeks of the 12 -12 photoperiod) whilst still foliar ssprayig a kelp/fulvic spray every 5 to 7 days and see what happens. In my rooms its pretty amazing.
That's a great point! I hear a lot of "nature knows best" type stuff, but it seems like the people pulling the highest yields would dispute this. Then again, outdoor growers can pull some serious weight too.I'll have to try that on this next batch. I usually shoot for cooler temps at night trying to emulate what they'd normally experience naturally, but never thought that warmer night temps would have a beneficial affect. But then it's easy to forget that while we are dealing with plants provided to us by mother nature, everything else we do is pushing the boundries to their absolute limits in an effort to turn them into freakishly potent mutants, lol.
Oh I won't argue that, heck most of my years growing had been outdoors. But we're still doing everything we can to maximize the nutrients as well as breeding progams which select for genetics that maximize THC/CBD production such that the modern cannabis plant probably doesn't much resemble the strains that grew naturally a hundred years ago.That's a great point! I hear a lot of "nature knows best" type stuff, but it seems like the people pulling the highest yields would dispute this. Then again, outdoor growers can pull some serious weight too.
Hmm...
I've actually become more hardcore with cannabis now that I'm in my 50s. My "ultra strength" edibles will drop a normal human in his tracks. ( I've got some good stories...)Oh I won't argue that, heck most of my years growing had been outdoors. But we're still doing everything we can to maximize the nutrients as well as breeding progams which select for genetics that maximize THC/CBD production such that the modern cannabis plant probably doesn't much resemble the strains that grew naturally a hundred years ago.
Hell, back in the 70's the best weed available, Maui Wowie and even Matanuska Thunderfuck, couldn't hold a candle to some of the top shelf stuff available at dispensaries today. And to tell the truth, I kinda miss that - I remember being able to smoke joint after joint of some Panama Red or Kona Gold, and still function, go to work even and stay high with no problem. But these days, this high-octane shit is so much more potent that there's no way I would even think about getting high at work, unless I wanted to get canned, lol. I dunno, I've probably just turned into a light-weight in my old age, heh heh ;?D
Anyone make a reasonably priced seaweed and fulvic liquid combo?Did you follow the same ratio (5 parts fulvic to 2 parts seaweed extract) and amounts as Smith? His work seems to prove otherwise, and btw I'm only using fulvic since as a foliar spray, they are more readily absorbed through leaves as opposed to humic which I believe needs to be applied to the medium. Here's a quote from bioag.com which echos what Smith talked about:
"Because of its small molecular size, fulvic acid is able to penetrate the leaf and even the mitochondria of a cell which makes it great for foliar sprays and root drenches. By comparison humic acid is a fantastic soil conditioner and better for dry broad cast and soil/soil-less application."
And this from maximumyield.com:
"Humic and fulvic acids work even better when combined with seaweed extracts. Seaweed extracts are loaded with natural plant-growth hormones such as auxins and cytokinins. Humic and fulvic acids hold onto the auxins in an exchangeable form to amplify their effects on plants. In fact, Virginia Tech’s 10-year study on organic biostimulants found that five parts of humic acid combined with two parts of seaweed extracts worked 50% better than either product alone. If you want more lateral root growth and more root mass, you can easily make your own humic acid and kelp root stimulant.
Fulvic acid foliar sprays make a great tonic for sick clones, especially when combined with kelp. If your cuttings are slow to root, or if the leaves start to turn yellow and fall off, try using a fine mist of fulvic acid and seaweed at the recommended 5:2 ratio. Rooting hormones are actually made by plants in the leaves and transported to the roots to initiate new growth, so a foliar spray with fulvic acid and kelp is fast-acting when absorbed by the leaves. Research shows that plants start to respond to fulvic acids in as little as four hours, and vigorous root growth and stress recovery is often evident in as little as two days. Before you give up on your precious seedlings or clones, try a little fulvic acid tonic first."
Also, and possibly more important, imo, is what Smith says about using this to pre-treat your Moms prior to taking clones. His data shows marked improvement of clone viability when they've been "energized" by this pre-treatment. This is the data that I'm looking for validation on.
I'm curious tooThanks for the post and info fearno. I don’t know if anyone is still on here being a 3 year old post but I’m interested in amounts if you have them for fulvic and kelp per gallon. Are you still using this concoction? I just started using them both recently and got online to find the right amounts and stumbled on this. Thanks again for the post.