Say goodbye to a woman's right to choose

[HAF2]

That is is kind of the problem Accidents? Take some responsibility.

Taking responsibility in that particular accident would be paying for an abortion, in my opinion.
What about those people that can't afford to pay? Fuck them then?

 

[cool2burn]

Taking responsibility in that particular accident would be paying for an abortion, in my opinion.
What about those people that can't afford to pay? Fuck them then?

20% is an accident.......... Boy im glad you were never in charge of any of the projects ive worked on 20% is acceptable?

 

[HAF2]

20% is an accident.......... Boy im glad you were never in charge of any of the projects ive worked on 20% is acceptable?

Where did you pull that number from? If an unwanted pregnancy results from sexual intercource I would say that's 100% an accident.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Link lol ive been there with girls that have had it done..... Seen it first hand. With a family friend walked into planned parent hood.......... Made her watch a movie talked to a counselor and got the pill all in 2 hours time.......... Yea..... Free BTW she was low income.

Like i said i do not think it should be illegal i just think it is too easily accessible.

What? She didn't even have a funeral?

 

[schuylaar]

Actually it was a family friend i went to support her. Like i said i am not against it i just think its access is way to easy.

What purpose does limited access serve?

 

[cool2burn]

Where did you pull that number from? If an unwanted pregnancy results from sexual intercource I would say that's 100% an accident.

Last data from the link i posted above showed induced Abortion ratios per 1000 live birth were at 200 that was 2013 the last time data was given. that is roughly 20% unless your gonna say the CDC is full of shit..

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not saying there isn't a possibility that Susie Methhead exchanges Sex for her fix and has possibly recieved 10 consecutive abortions because of it. But do people really think this hypothetical woman should have had 10 babies instead?
Each situation is different. And it's none of our fucking business to take away a woman's right to choose.

I'm glad you believe a person has a right to chose. That's exactly why I don't think forcing person A to pay for person B's choices can be justified.

What makes you think a person DOESN'T have a right to chose when it comes to funding things you like, but that they don't?

 

[HAF2]

http://www.attn.com/stories/5302/access-to-abortion-by-state
But what i would really like to point to is the Capita last reported in 2013 induced abortion VS live birth was 200 per every 1000. Im sure they were all in life and death situations........ Maybe you should do a little research before you spew out liberal garbage.

From the article you posted:

"What endangers women’s health is when legal abortions are made harder or impossible to obtain, because women will be forced to wait until later in their pregnancies, when there is a higher risk of complications, or they will turn to illegal and dangerous methods."

I read nothing about the 20% you are yammering on about. Link please.

 

[HAF2]

I'm glad you believe a person has a right to chose. That's exactly why I don't think forcing person A to pay for person B's choices can be justified.

What makes you think a person DOESN'T have a right to chose when it comes to funding things you like, but that they don't?

You realize that funding an abortion through taxes is a lot cheaper than funding a child on welfare for 18 years? Are you upset about the actual funding or the act of abortion?

 

[cool2burn]

opps that was my fault wrong link here it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

 

[Rob Roy]

You realize that funding an abortion through taxes is a lot cheaper than funding a child on welfare for 18 years? Are you upset about the actual funding or the act of abortion?

I am upset about the use of offensive force being applied as a systemic norm. I may approve or disapprove of what other people do with their body or their money, but my disapproval does not create a right for me to intervene in their life. It doesn't and can't create that right for anyone else either.

You also avoiding answering my question.

 

[HAF2]

opps that was my fault wrong link here it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

I don't think you should pretend to understand statistics.

Abortions per 1,000 live births. Definition: This is the abortion rate, representing the number of induced abortions occurring in a specified reference period (e.g., one year) per 1,000 women of reproductive age (15-44 or 15-49).

This is not 20% of women get abortions, or 20% of pregnancies end in abortion.
https://www.measureevaluation.org/prh/rh_indicators/specific/pac/abortions-per-1-000-live-births

Read more.

 

[Rob Roy]

What? She didn't even have a funeral?

 

[HAF2]

I am upset about the use of offensive force being applied as a systemic norm. I may approve or disapprove of what other people do with their body or their money, but my disapproval does not create a right for me to intervene in their life. It doesn't and can't create that right for anyone else either.

You also avoiding answering my question.

I apologize I thought it was a rehtorical question on your part. I think the people that fight about their tax dollars being used for abortion convienently don't seem to care where the rest of their tax money is spent. Do you care how much of your tax dollars goes into funding the extra secret service and protection that trump needs because he is keeping his residence at trump towers in New York?
Until you start to follow the trail of your tax dollars through every avenue, I feel caring about one small percentage of it going to help medically necessary or situationally necessary abortions is hypocritical.
How was that? Answered.

 

[Justin-case]

I apologize I thought it was a rehtorical question on your part. I think the people that fight about their tax dollars being used for abortion convienently don't seem to care where the rest of their tax money is spent. Do you care how much of your tax dollars goes into funding the extra secret service and protection that trump needs because he is keeping his residence at trump towers in New York?
Until you start to follow the trail of your tax dollars through every avenue, I feel caring about one small percentage of it going to help medically necessary or situationally necessary abortions is hypocritical.
How was that? Answered.

He thinks paying taxes is a form of extortion. Dont waste your time with this narcissistic asshole.

 

[Rob Roy]

I apologize I thought it was a rehtorical question on your part. I think the people that fight about their tax dollars being used for abortion convienently don't seem to care where the rest of their tax money is spent. Do you care how much of your tax dollars goes into funding the extra secret service and protection that trump needs because he is keeping his residence at trump towers in New York?
Until you start to follow the trail of your tax dollars through every avenue, I feel caring about one small percentage of it going to help medically necessary or situationally necessary abortions is hypocritical.
How was that? Answered.

Thank you for your polite, but nonresponsive answer to my direct question.

I'll ask again...

What makes you think a person DOESN'T have a right to chose when it comes to funding things you like, but that they don't?


I think forcing people to pay for things they don't want and don't use is a form of theft. I feel no obligation to defend Trump or the Secret Squirrels. Until you follow the trail of HOW things are funded, you are applying an inconsistent and flexible value system.

 

[HAF2]

He thinks paying taxes is a form of extortion. Dont waste your time with this narcissistic asshole.

Oh so he doesn't even pay taxes? What's the big wup about tax dollars being spent then? Sounds like an argument tactic in order to vilify women who feel they need an abortion. Gross.

 

[spandy]

I don't think you should pretend to understand statistics.

Abortions per 1,000 live births. Definition: This is the abortion rate, representing the number of induced abortions occurring in a specified reference period (e.g., one year) per 1,000 women of reproductive age (15-44 or 15-49).

This is not 20% of women get abortions, or 20% of pregnancies end in abortion.
https://www.measureevaluation.org/prh/rh_indicators/specific/pac/abortions-per-1-000-live-births

Read more.

About 4 million live births and 700,000 abortions in 2012.

Not 20% but definely not an accident by any means.

Mostly just people being irresponsible. Good thing for them you can dig out your mistakes and flush it away.

 

[Rob Roy]

He thinks paying taxes is a form of extortion. Dont waste your time with this narcissistic asshole.

Hello rude person.

I asked a question which you are free to give an answer to...you could, if you were capable.

 

[HAF2]

Thank you for your polite, but nonresponsive answer to my direct question.

I'll ask again...

What makes you think a person DOESN'T have a right to chose when it comes to funding things you like, but that they don't?


I think forcing people to pay for things they don't want and don't use is a form of theft. I feel no obligation to defend Trump or the Secret Squirrels. Until you follow the trail of HOW things are funded, you are applying an inconsistent and flexible value system.

How do you figure I didn't answer the question? I said clearly I feel people that complain about their tax dollars being spent on abortion do not appear, in my opinion, to care about where the rest of their tax dollars are spent to the same degree.
This is not an issue of money, and pretending that it is only makes you appear obtuse. This is an issue of governing someone else's body through government interventions.
Let's start putting the same stipulations on checking for prostate cancer in men and the resulting treatments. I don't have to worry about that, so I don't want to pay for it. See how rediculous that sounds?