Trump signs executive orders to advance Keystone XL, Dakota Access pipelines

visajoe1

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I'll give you a ride in my tesla one day.....
I'll bring the meds! Its all love dude, I question everyone and everything. Its not a right or left thing for me, its about policy. Period. I thought Libertarianism was great when I heard of it in college. Then I read more about it
 

doublejj

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I'll bring the meds! Its all love dude, I question everyone and everything. Its not a right or left thing for me, its about policy. Period. I thought Libertarianism was great when I heard of it in college. Then I read more about it
It's a complicated world we live in.....best of luck bro
 

visajoe1

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It's a complicated world we live in.....best of luck bro
Agree. You too brother. Wish you another healthy and productive year in Nor Cal. My year in Humboldt county 17 years ago is still fresh in my mind (small miracle? lol), nothing can touch the outdoor up there. Be safe my man
 

Unclebaldrick

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Directly useful without batteries...what good is it if it can't be stored? you really stating that viable high amperage a/c power can be had directly from a panel? If I turn on my 220v air conditioner and had my home yard and driveway covered in panels they still wouldn't have the minerals to even begin keep up. You're stuck with batteries dude and I mean a bunch of em if u are relying on solar...least for now until you figure how to store that energy in a really large flywheel. Edumacate yourself por favor. 1/3 of the workforce is employed at night ...what ever will you tell them
Funny I drive by windmills and solar panels all the time. Never seen no batteries but still the power gets to the consumer and used. Nobody said we would be relying on solar. You seem to have a very small scale way of thinking. Won't any community let you live among them?
 

visajoe1

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Funny I drive by windmills and solar panels all the time. Never seen no batteries but still the power gets to the consumer and used. Nobody said we would be relying on solar. You seem to have a very small scale way of thinking. Won't any community let you live among them?
Those places you see with windmills and solar panels are still connected to electrical grid, thats how they get power and consume it. Sometimes they even send power to the grid and get a credit. That is how all generation systems work, without a battery.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Those places you see with windmills and solar panels are still connected to electrical grid, thats how they get power and consume it. Sometimes they even send power to the grid and get a credit. That is how all generation systems work, without a battery.
Yes. I know that. So my point remains. I am not really looking for a solution for the Unibomber, I am looking for one for society.
 
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Fogdog

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"Right now, scientists don't know much about the material's properties. The whole experimental setup is still sitting under high pressure in the lab, waiting for the next tests.

"Our experience is that once you pressurize a set of diamonds to pressures above a million atmospheres, when you release the pressure, the diamonds break," Silvera said.

As such, the team doesn't yet know whether, as theory suggests, the metallic hydrogen is stable even if the pressure is removed."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lab-made-metallic-hydrogen-could-154100294.html
“Hydrogen: It’s the fuel of the future — and it always will be.”

Regardless of the problems associated with designing, manufacturing, refueling and fuel cell vehicle (FCV) safety on the road, the purported green technology is a lie unless production of hydrogen is performed using renewable energy. Factoring in the inefficiency of using electricity to produce hydrogen then using the hydrogen to produce electricity to power the car, FCV are dogs in terms of energy consumption and engine performance.

Metallic hydrogen is in early materials research labs. One can and should dream but the real money will be made in efficient battery design. Not that there aren't technical obstacles to bringing that tech to mass markets in autos and other applications that replace fossil fuels.

I'm all for research, just not for using alternative facts to justify a technical decision.
 

visajoe1

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He quoted numbers from two years ago. Only 3% of Americans wanted Trump to be President two years ago - so the approach does have a certain appeal.
It is a relevant poll though, because there was no polls in 2016 since the former POTUS blocked it. There has been no polls conducted for this in 2017. Do you have anything to support your disregard of those numbers? Perhaps a different one? Or is it just your opinion. Which is fine, just not exactly scientific.
 

visajoe1

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Yes. I know that. So my point remains. I am not really looking for a solution for the Unabomber, I am looking for one for society.
How does society (your term) generate power during the day and store it for use during the night or when weather prevents generation? What materials would it require? How much could that cost? Who pays for it? Reliability?

Not trying to blow you up, this is how my mind works. Constant analyzing. I'm all for alternative energy, but I dont stop thinking at that realization. You gotta think it through, beginning to end.
 

Fogdog

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It is a relevant poll though, because there was no polls in 2016 since the former POTUS blocked it. There has been no polls conducted for this in 2017. Do you have anything to support your disregard of those numbers? Perhaps a different one? Or is it just your opinion. Which is fine, just not exactly scientific.
A poll from 2 years ago is still relevant? Relevant to what? I can pull up polls from 2001 to support war in Iraq. Still relevant? Polls only show what people think at the time. That's why you have to perform them again. Maybe public support is higher now, not that it should make any difference.

Are polls justification for policy or an excuse to trample others rights? Depends on perspective, I guess. Trump's action regarding the Excel pipeline is just one action needed to get the pipeline through. Trump has a long history of trampling on the rights of others, so maybe he will succeed here too. Land owners along the way are challenging the pipeline at every step. A poll from 2 years ago has little bearing on this issue. Court challenges by people directly affected have much more bearing on it. Just saying Trump can only trash people's rights for so long before it catches up to him, either in the courts or in the court of public opinion.
 

doublejj

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Those places you see with windmills and solar panels are still connected to electrical grid, thats how they get power and consume it. Sometimes they even send power to the grid and get a credit. That is how all generation systems work, without a battery.
it's not an all or nothing proposition. It's a shift in priorities. Eventually (if we continue to fund it) green energy will take over...
 

Craig1969SS

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With Trump making clear the Dakota Access Pipeline will be completed in an expedited fashion, and authorizing Keystone XL ... the abject displays of ignorance about pipeline safety are resurging.

So rather than industry-wide statistics, lets look at a real world example ... a major pipeline and route located in one of the harshest and most diverse, and most ecologically important ... environments in the world ... the Trans-Alaska pipeline.

Certainly there are few, if any, other pipelines located in more harsh and challenging places anywhere.

How harsh is the Trans-Alaska's route and environment? Lets take a look:

Air Temperature Range Along Route: MINUS -80°F to +95°F.

Diameter of Pipe: 48 inches.

Elevations, Highest:
• Atigun Pass: 4,739 ft.
• Isabel Pass: 3,420 ft.
• Thompson Pass: 2,812 ft.

Grade, Maximum: 145% (55°) at Thompson Pass.

Length of Line: 800 miles (1,288 kilometers)

Mountain Ranges Crossed, North to South (three):
• Brooks Range,
• Alaska Range,
• Ahugach Range.

Right-of-Way Widths:
• Federal land: 54 ft. (buried pipe); 64 ft.
(elevated pipe).
• State land: 100 ft.
• Private land: 54 ft. to 300 ft.

River and Stream Crossings:
• 34 major,
• nearly 500 others.

EARTHQUAKE, In Nov 2002 the pipeline withstood a magnitude 7.9 Richter Scale earthquake that was centered along the Denali Fault in Interior Alaska, approximately 50 miles west of the pipeline. The quake was among the strongest earthquakes recorded in North America in the last 100 years.

So you ask .... HOW SAFE IS THE TRANS-ALASKA pipeline?

Since it began operation in 1977 - now 39 years - the Trans-Alaska - now Aleyska - pipeline:

• Has transported 17,455,737,760 barrels of crude oil.
• Has had on average 11.5 spills per year
• Each spill averaged 92.3 barrels
• A total average of just 1,064 barrels are spilled annually

Out of 17.46 Billion barrels of crude oil delivered in its 39 years an average of just 1,064 barrels annually have spilled from the Trans-Alaska pipeline ... a without incident delivery rate of 99.999762%

This is for a 48" crude oil pipeline built and operating in one of the most severe (and most ecologically sensitive) environments in the world ...

And those numbers are skewed by a couple high profile incidents of sabotage ....

• The single largest spill was the result of sabotage - an explosive charge set at Steele Creek that released 16,000 bbl ...

• And the 2nd largest was also sabotage ... when a drunk used repeated shots from a high powered rifle to breach a weld (more than 50 other gunshots to the pipeline failed to cause a leak) causing a spill of appx 6,142 barrels ... 4,238 barrels were directly recovered ... w/less than 2 acres impacted - which were fully cleaned up.

Take away these two acts of sabotage and over its 39 years and over the 17.46 billion barrels delivered by the Trans-Alaska pipeline there averaged just 11.47 spills per year with an avg spill of 43.3 barrels and a total average annual spill amount of 496 barrels ... an average 99.9999972% safety rating.

Further ... NO ONE can argue that the Trans-Alaska pipeline is in a far more severe environment than the Dakota Access Pipeline ... the Trans-Alaska Pipeline:

• Is almost entirely built above ground and exposed to the elements
• Crosses three mountain ranges, including the nearly mile high Atigun Pass
• Air Temperature Range Along Route: MINUS -80°F to +95°F.
• 34 major, and nearly 500 others river and stream crossings:
• AND travels directly thru an earthquake fault zone ... withstanding a 7.9 quake along its route in 2002 with no spill.

But we are supposed to believe the Dakota Access pipeline - with nearly 40 year newer technology, fully buried and protected from the elements and sabotage along essentially its entire route, and in an area with basically no earthquake threat ... is somehow going to experience massive risk of leaks ...

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Wow man thank you for the great research and statistics, well done!
 

Grandpapy

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How does society (your term) generate power during the day and store it for use during the night or when weather prevents generation? What materials would it require? How much could that cost? Who pays for it? Reliability?

Not trying to blow you up, this is how my mind works. Constant analyzing. I'm all for alternative energy, but I dont stop thinking at that realization. You gotta think it through, beginning to end.
Pumped storage has been available since the 1930s, but with renewable energy mandates in place in 30 states, variable generation is coming online rapidly and our infrastructure needs electricity storage capacity more than ever.

http://www.hydro.org/policy/waterpower/pumped-storage/

FYI
 
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